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Post by southparkcpa on Dec 19, 2016 15:25:56 GMT -5
FWIW, they are therapists. They hold a PhD which is not the practice of medicine. What is the solution then in your mind since you seem to know so much. The solution is a different kind of therapy, one that doesn't indulge delusions. Just as no one rational calls the anorexic who thinks they're fat "chubby" no one rational should dress or label the mixed up kid as the sex they physically aren't. It's said that 70-80% of this kind of mental illness goes away with proper treatment - no coddling or salad shooting necessary Can you supply a link? Proper treatment? That would be what? Im no expert. A close friend of mine is dealing with this as her "daughter" wants to be a guy. She is 16 (11th grade). Im trying my best to understand and from all I can see and have read, this is not a choice that the child makes. |
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Post by Ff2 on Dec 19, 2016 16:39:18 GMT -5
Of course there is a mental "component"...but that doesn't make it a metal "illness"...at least by current medical standards. And lets not jump to the "perverts-in-the-bathroom" argument. We are talking about people who are sincerely struggling with gender issues. That takes us far away from this and does little to make sense of this. Somehow I doubt that little girl on the cover is concocting this whole scam to get into the ladies room to molest girls when he/she is older. (And I'm way more worried about heterosexual gymnastic coaches and Uncle Harry if statistics are correct.) Sorry. I'm not really gonna hurt you but your a cunt. A fat fucking cunt. Just the way it is. I'm smarter than you, better looking and I'd kick your fat fucking ugly ass. I'm Ivy League you fake intellectual professor. I'm not one of ur students that u can belittle and bully. I'll ruin you and destroy your PC fucking BS. So fuck off fatso. WTF are you babbling about? Sorry...just saw your apology. You know, you can be a very smart guy...why not stick with that?  |
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Post by Ff2 on Dec 19, 2016 16:48:26 GMT -5
Ignorance. To think that there are 6+ Billion people on the planet and every single one is born 100% male or female flies is the face of simple reproductive biology. I'd prefer these folks live their lives as they please. Rather than 1. Be miserable. 2. Kill themselves. "According to surveys, 4.6 percent of the overall U.S. population has self-reported a suicide attempt, with that number climbing to between 10 and 20 percent for lesbian, gay or bisexual respondents. By comparison, 41 percent of trans or gender non-conforming people surveyed have attempted suicide." Call them mentally ill. call them freaks, whatever. Who are the hurting? About a year ago I was in a lobby at a hotel and saw a family - mom, dad, and a 13 year old who was obviously a boy but dressed like a girl. He was wearing girls clothes, had a bra on and makeup. He looked weird and kinda ugly to say the least. As I was looking at him, I came to the conclusion that this poor kid had many serious mental issues - looks in the mirror every day and does not like what he sees. I felt bad for him. He's a tortured soul who has enough problems in his life and the last thing he needs is me looking at him funny or anyone giving him a hard time. It's obviously not his fault. It's a mental issue. No different than someone born who is missing the one crucial chromosone (downs syndrome). We should accept them and let them live their life, but it shouldn't be something we celebrate or hold them high on a pedestal. We shouldn't be giving them a parade like Bruce Jenner. That only confuses and messes up more young people. Live and let live, but it is a serious mental quirk that has probably been around since the dawn of man. Same with homosexuals. They were born that way. Not their fault, but accepting and honoring / praising are two different things. I think its wonderful we are on the same page here. Acceptance is all I care about. Live and let live. And I think a magazine story by a respected publication is a positive step and INFORMATIVE...not CELEBRATORY. |
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Post by bxjetfan on Dec 19, 2016 17:38:55 GMT -5
Much ado about nothing. When we can genetically test for this these folks will go the way of the dinosaur.
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Post by JetRepulsion1 on Dec 19, 2016 20:20:47 GMT -5
About a year ago I was in a lobby at a hotel and saw a family - mom, dad, and a 13 year old who was obviously a boy but dressed like a girl. He was wearing girls clothes, had a bra on and makeup. He looked weird and kinda ugly to say the least. As I was looking at him, I came to the conclusion that this poor kid had many serious mental issues - looks in the mirror every day and does not like what he sees. I felt bad for him. He's a tortured soul who has enough problems in his life and the last thing he needs is me looking at him funny or anyone giving him a hard time. It's obviously not his fault. It's a mental issue. No different than someone born who is missing the one crucial chromosone (downs syndrome). We should accept them and let them live their life, but it shouldn't be something we celebrate or hold them high on a pedestal. We shouldn't be giving them a parade like Bruce Jenner. That only confuses and messes up more young people. Live and let live, but it is a serious mental quirk that has probably been around since the dawn of man. Same with homosexuals. They were born that way. Not their fault, but accepting and honoring / praising are two different things. I think its wonderful we are on the same page here. Acceptance is all I care about. Live and let live. And I think a magazine story by a respected publication is a positive step and INFORMATIVE...not CELEBRATORY. Thanks Ff2. I'm open minded and use reason and facts to come to my conclusions (or at least I try to). Sometimes emotion comes into it as well of course. Even with the police shootings. I definitely thought they were in the wrong with the Staten Island choking over the sale of cigarettes. However, I don't think it is always a white KKK cop killing a black honor student who is studying to be a doctor. The media makes it out to fit their narrative that racism is the cause. It's not. The woman sergeant cop in the SI incident was black and stood there like a bump on a log while the poor guy was getting choked. Anyway, I'm sure there are other things we agree on and a lot we don't. It's all good. We are both entitled to our opinions. There is freedom of speech (and thought). |
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Post by 2foolish on Dec 19, 2016 21:18:38 GMT -5
Just a question...how many children had thier sex determined at birth by their parents...
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Post by flushingjet on Dec 19, 2016 21:35:06 GMT -5
The solution is a different kind of therapy, one that doesn't indulge delusions. Just as no one rational calls the anorexic who thinks they're fat "chubby" no one rational should dress or label the mixed up kid as the sex they physically aren't. It's said that 70-80% of this kind of mental illness goes away with proper treatment - no coddling or salad shooting necessary Can you supply a link? Proper treatment? That would be what? Im no expert. A close friend of mine is dealing with this as her "daughter" wants to be a guy. She is 16 (11th grade). Im trying my best to understand and from all I can see and have read, this is not a choice that the child makes. 1) www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=902297892 opposing viewpoints Dr Zucker: We just published a study of 25 girls we first saw in childhood and found that only 12 percent seem to have persistent gender dysphoria when they're older. We find similar rates of persistence in boys. 2) www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2015/06/15145/ |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 0:53:11 GMT -5
If a child is old enough to choose their gender, have they reached the age of consent? The former seems like a much more adult type decision than the latter. Very interesting point. It's a lame point; like your thread is clearly a "lame thread". 4 of ten TG want to commit suicide, but, you have to smush them in the mud. Why? Because a magazine you remember fondling from your childhood. Fondly. Lame point is lame for a horrible analogy; you know you are a G or B immediately. You will "f*ck carefully" much later in life. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 2:12:04 GMT -5
I absolutely agree. Your 1st sentence, IMO, is spot on. A close friend has a daughter, 14, who is just like this. In therapy, sees herself as a boy. The therapist specializes in these cases and has instructed the parent to embrace it. We all have..I now call "her" , "him", address him by his new name etc. You know what....he appears fairly happy now that all have accepted it. Good to know there's a lot of quacks out there who should have their license to practice medicine revoked. Dysphoria is a problem that gender impersonation or implementing homonormal public policies doesn't solve It's empirical type data - hundreds of thousands of cases following the same patterns of rejection and/or acceptance. They even know when to allow hormones, now. I know DD is getting ideas Dysphoria is the opposite of euphoria; gender dysphoria is the (what should seem obvious) problem of having the "wrong body". |
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Post by DDNYjets on Dec 20, 2016 7:25:04 GMT -5
It's a lame point; like your thread is clearly a "lame thread". 4 of ten TG want to commit suicide, but, you have to smush them in the mud. Why? Because a magazine you remember fondling from your childhood. Fondly. Lame point is lame for a horrible analogy; you know you are a G or B immediately. You will "f*ck carefully" much later in life. Not as lame a Caitlyn's penis.  |
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Dec 20, 2016 8:20:46 GMT -5
It's a lame point; like your thread is clearly a "lame thread". 4 of ten TG want to commit suicide, but, you have to smush them in the mud. Why? Because a magazine you remember fondling from your childhood. Fondly. Lame point is lame for a horrible analogy; you know you are a G or B immediately. You will "f*ck carefully" much later in life. Just curious (no pun intended). Do people really know they ate G or B immediately? Before they even reach puberty? Much of what I have read on this subject now seems to indicate that there is more a of scale of sexuality rather than a line in the sand i.e. 1 is the most homosexual one can be and 10 is the most heterosexual with 5 being the most bisexual and degrees of each in between. If it is a scale, can one really know as child if you are a B or G? And even if so, wouldn't the better parenting tact be to tell your child you can be whatever you want to be it's your decision, but it is a grown up decision which you get to make as you become an adult. Why rush such a profound decision? Especially if it is a child making the decision. I fully realize that I can not fully feel what that child is feeling, but once again this is a child. I've had three and I can tell you from experience, the younger they are, the worse they are at decision making. Frankly, my oldest is going on 19 and is an enormously responsible kid compared to her peers and she still makes some poor decisions. |
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Post by Jets Things on Dec 20, 2016 8:30:30 GMT -5
It's a lame point; like your thread is clearly a "lame thread". 4 of ten TG want to commit suicide, but, you have to smush them in the mud. Why? Because a magazine you remember fondling from your childhood. Fondly. Lame point is lame for a horrible analogy; you know you are a G or B immediately. You will "f*ck carefully" much later in life. Just curious (no pun intended). Do people really know they ate G or B immediately? Before they even reach puberty? Much of what I have read on this subject now seems to indicate that there is more a of scale of sexuality rather than a line in the sand i.e. 1 is the most homosexual one can be and 10 is the most heterosexual with 5 being the most bisexual and degrees of each in between. If it is a scale, can one really know as child if you are a B or G? And even if so, wouldn't the better parenting tact be to tell your child you can be whatever you want to be it's your decision, but it is a grown up decision which you get to make as you become an adult. Why rush such a profound decision? Especially if it is a child making the decision. I fully realize that I can not fully feel what that child is feeling, but once again this is a child. I've had three and I can tell you from experience, the younger they are, the worse they are at decision making. Frankly, my oldest is going on 19 and is an enormously responsible kid compared to her peers and she still makes some poor decisions. It's not really a decision, though, right? Religious nutjobs will tell you that it's a choice because "God" would never make a LGBT person. |
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Post by Trades on Dec 20, 2016 9:22:15 GMT -5
Just curious (no pun intended). Do people really know they ate G or B immediately? Before they even reach puberty? Much of what I have read on this subject now seems to indicate that there is more a of scale of sexuality rather than a line in the sand i.e. 1 is the most homosexual one can be and 10 is the most heterosexual with 5 being the most bisexual and degrees of each in between. If it is a scale, can one really know as child if you are a B or G? And even if so, wouldn't the better parenting tact be to tell your child you can be whatever you want to be it's your decision, but it is a grown up decision which you get to make as you become an adult. Why rush such a profound decision? Especially if it is a child making the decision. I fully realize that I can not fully feel what that child is feeling, but once again this is a child. I've had three and I can tell you from experience, the younger they are, the worse they are at decision making. Frankly, my oldest is going on 19 and is an enormously responsible kid compared to her peers and she still makes some poor decisions. It's not really a decision, though, right? Religious nutjobs will tell you that it's a choice because "God" would never make a LGBT person. So does that go for pedophiles, bestiality, people that identify as parrots, cats, etc (yes this is real) and whatever other things people do? If everything is a disease then no one is responsible for anything. I have no idea how much of this is choice, nature, mental issue but I have to assume that it is a blend of all of them. Either way I hope that them making a change does help them and no one should be vilified for their choices if they aren't hurting anyone. Live and let live until you cross the line (pedophiles and bestiality) and hurt someone then you should be removed from society. |
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Dec 20, 2016 9:27:58 GMT -5
Just curious (no pun intended). Do people really know they ate G or B immediately? Before they even reach puberty? Much of what I have read on this subject now seems to indicate that there is more a of scale of sexuality rather than a line in the sand i.e. 1 is the most homosexual one can be and 10 is the most heterosexual with 5 being the most bisexual and degrees of each in between. If it is a scale, can one really know as child if you are a B or G? And even if so, wouldn't the better parenting tact be to tell your child you can be whatever you want to be it's your decision, but it is a grown up decision which you get to make as you become an adult. Why rush such a profound decision? Especially if it is a child making the decision. I fully realize that I can not fully feel what that child is feeling, but once again this is a child. I've had three and I can tell you from experience, the younger they are, the worse they are at decision making. Frankly, my oldest is going on 19 and is an enormously responsible kid compared to her peers and she still makes some poor decisions. It's not really a decision, though, right? Religious nutjobs will tell you that it's a choice because "God" would never make a LGBT person. Sorry, I was not clear but the decision I was speaking of was the one in the OP story i.e. the medical transitioning gender decision. But perhaps that is my issue of not separating the gender identity decision from sexuality. I should. I will make an effort to do so. It would help if transgender would not be included with gay and bisexual. It really is something entirely different. On a related issue, why is bisexual grouped in LGBT. I've never encountered or ever heard of bisexual discrimination? |
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Post by DDNYjets on Dec 20, 2016 9:29:43 GMT -5
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