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Post by Ff2 on Dec 20, 2016 10:31:56 GMT -5
The articles bring up some crazy questions... Is someone who is attracted to children sexually...but NEVER acts on it...evil? Is it what's in someones mind? Or what they DO? Obviously something is deeply wrong in their brain but they have the ability to see its wrong. Think about it...IF you fantasize about killing someone...but NEVER act on it...are you evil?
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Post by Jets Things on Dec 20, 2016 10:33:25 GMT -5
It's not really a decision, though, right? Religious nutjobs will tell you that it's a choice because "God" would never make a LGBT person. So does that go for pedophiles, bestiality, people that identify as parrots, cats, etc (yes this is real) and whatever other things people do? If everything is a disease then no one is responsible for anything. I have no idea how much of this is choice, nature, mental issue but I have to assume that it is a blend of all of them. Either way I hope that them making a change does help them and no one should be vilified for their choices if they aren't hurting anyone. Live and let live until you cross the line (pedophiles and bestiality) and hurt someone then you should be removed from society. Let's not group bestiality in with what these sick fucks are doing.
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Dec 20, 2016 10:51:04 GMT -5
If a child is old enough to choose their gender, have they reached the age of consent? The former seems like a much more adult type decision than the latter.I can see the middle school girls basketball coach already straitening out any possible locker room issues to clear the way for his new power forward. When I was 9 I wanted to be an astronaut. My parents told me I could be anything i wanted to be when I grew up, they didn't send me to NASA. Thats my biggest issue with this... the kid is 9. That seems way too young to be making decisions about hormone therapy and whatever else is involved here.
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Post by Ff2 on Dec 20, 2016 11:04:31 GMT -5
So does that go for pedophiles, bestiality, people that identify as parrots, cats, etc (yes this is real) and whatever other things people do? If everything is a disease then no one is responsible for anything. I have no idea how much of this is choice, nature, mental issue but I have to assume that it is a blend of all of them. Either way I hope that them making a change does help them and no one should be vilified for their choices if they aren't hurting anyone. Live and let live until you cross the line (pedophiles and bestiality) and hurt someone then you should be removed from society. Let's not group bestiality in with what these sick fucks are doing. +1. And while were at it, being a furry is nothing to be ashamed of.
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Post by DDNYjets on Dec 20, 2016 11:41:21 GMT -5
The articles bring up some crazy questions... Is someone who is attracted to children sexually...but NEVER acts on it...evil? Is it what's in someones mind? Or what they DO? Obviously something is deeply wrong in their brain but they have the ability to see its wrong. Think about it...IF you fantasize about killing someone...but NEVER act on it...are you evil? I dont see the moral equivalence. In my opinion some people deserve to die. Children are innocent and should never be preyed on.
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Post by Ff2 on Dec 20, 2016 11:45:24 GMT -5
The articles bring up some crazy questions... Is someone who is attracted to children sexually...but NEVER acts on it...evil? Is it what's in someones mind? Or what they DO? Obviously something is deeply wrong in their brain but they have the ability to see its wrong. Think about it...IF you fantasize about killing someone...but NEVER act on it...are you evil? I dont see the moral equivalence. In my opinion some people deserve to die. Children are innocent and should never be preyed on. Agreed but did you read what I wrote? I was curious about your thoughts on people who have thoughts but DONT act. Are they evil?
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Post by 2foolish on Dec 20, 2016 11:48:59 GMT -5
Intersex” is an umbrella term referring to the roughly 1 in 2,000 people born with variations of sex anatomy that put them somewhere on the long continuum between male and female. Formerly called hermaphrodites, doctors now say they have “disorders of sexual development.” Often these involve “ambiguous” genitalia or genitals that are clearly male or female but still atypical, such as a very small penis or an enlarged clitoris. Only rarely is it medical necessary to perform operations on intersex children, but that has not stopped such procedures from going forward. While available data is incomplete, it appears that they occur at least 1,750 times per year, most commonly between early infancy and two years after the child is born.
It’s understandable that parents would be distressed upon learning that their newborns are intersex. Parents can also be forgiven for grasping at anything to protect their children from what they fear will be lifetimes of trauma. That is where doctors should come in with sound advice, and that is where the system cracks. “Doctors are telling parents that the procedures are necessary and should be done in the first year of life,” said Anne Tamar-Mattis, an intersex rights advocate and attorney. “Parents are telling me that they are being bullied and pressured; they are distressed and vulnerable and are not being given all of the information they need to decide what to do.”.......................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... Thomas Rid is a professor at King’s College London and author of Rise of the Machines (W.W. Norton/Scribe, 2016). He is on Twitter at @ridt.
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Post by JetRepulsion1 on Dec 20, 2016 11:51:47 GMT -5
So does that go for pedophiles, bestiality, people that identify as parrots, cats, etc (yes this is real) and whatever other things people do? If everything is a disease then no one is responsible for anything. I have no idea how much of this is choice, nature, mental issue but I have to assume that it is a blend of all of them. Either way I hope that them making a change does help them and no one should be vilified for their choices if they aren't hurting anyone. Live and let live until you cross the line (pedophiles and bestiality) and hurt someone then you should be removed from society. Let's not group bestiality in with what these sick fucks are doing. I remember a comics joke from back in the day. He said he was arrested for animal necrophilia. His excuse to cops was that he didn't know the cat was dead when he Fucked it. Hahahaha. )
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Post by DDNYjets on Dec 20, 2016 11:57:37 GMT -5
I dont see the moral equivalence. In my opinion some people deserve to die. Children are innocent and should never be preyed on. Agreed but did you read what I wrote? I was curious about your thoughts on people who have thoughts but DONT act. Are they evil? I think I answered that when I said I dont see the moral equivalence. Things are very rarely equivalent in real life. Only when we try to make arguments we put things in such tidy boxes. If someone told me they were angry and thought about killing someone I would feel differently than if they told me they got horny for a child once. So I would say thinking about sexually abusing a child is more evil.
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Post by flushingjet on Dec 20, 2016 17:06:07 GMT -5
Just curious (no pun intended). Do people really know they ate G or B immediately? Before they even reach puberty? Much of what I have read on this subject now seems to indicate that there is more a of scale of sexuality rather than a line in the sand i.e. 1 is the most homosexual one can be and 10 is the most heterosexual with 5 being the most bisexual and degrees of each in between. If it is a scale, can one really know as child if you are a B or G? And even if so, wouldn't the better parenting tact be to tell your child you can be whatever you want to be it's your decision, but it is a grown up decision which you get to make as you become an adult. Why rush such a profound decision? Especially if it is a child making the decision. I fully realize that I can not fully feel what that child is feeling, but once again this is a child. I've had three and I can tell you from experience, the younger they are, the worse they are at decision making. Frankly, my oldest is going on 19 and is an enormously responsible kid compared to her peers and she still makes some poor decisions. It's not really a decision, though, right? Religious nutjobs will tell you that it's a choice because "God" would never make a LGBT person. Conversely LMNOPQ say stridently they're born this way but every time someone wanted to find out why , because science, even an inquiring QWERTY It gets squashed by militants on the left. There have been studies done that liken gay brains to heterosexual brains of the opposite sex and so forth but any attempts to correct or change sexual behavior to heteronormative based on thst information are and would be discouraged.
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Dec 20, 2016 17:37:55 GMT -5
The articles bring up some crazy questions... Is someone who is attracted to children sexually...but NEVER acts on it...evil? Is it what's in someones mind? Or what they DO? Obviously something is deeply wrong in their brain but they have the ability to see its wrong. Think about it...IF you fantasize about killing someone...but NEVER act on it...are you evil? Easy answer, if you are tempted but do not act, you are, in fact, NOT evil. I do believe the actual definition of being a good person includes, among other things, not giving in to temptation i.e. evil thoughts.
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Post by Ff2 on Dec 20, 2016 17:52:22 GMT -5
Agreed but did you read what I wrote? I was curious about your thoughts on people who have thoughts but DONT act. Are they evil? I think I answered that when I said I dont see the moral equivalence. Things are very rarely equivalent in real life. Only when we try to make arguments we put things in such tidy boxes. If someone told me they were angry and thought about killing someone I would feel differently than if they told me they got horny for a child once. So I would say thinking about sexually abusing a child is more evil. I didn't mean to infer they were equal. But I see why you took it that way. I was just thinking of other situations where "thinking" and "NOT doing" occurred.
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Post by Ff2 on Dec 20, 2016 17:54:26 GMT -5
It's not really a decision, though, right? Religious nutjobs will tell you that it's a choice because "God" would never make a LGBT person. Conversely LMNOPQ say stridently they're born this way but every time someone wanted to find out why , because science, even an inquiring QWERTY It gets squashed by militants on the left. There have been studies done that liken gay brains to heterosexual brains of the opposite sex and so forth but any attempts to correct or change sexual behavior to heteronormative based on thst information are and would be discouraged. How would YOU react if they wanted to study how to "correct" or "change" YOUR sexual behavior? Gays dont feel they need "fixing".
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Post by flushingjet on Dec 20, 2016 22:37:19 GMT -5
Conversely LMNOPQ say stridently they're born this way but every time someone wanted to find out why , because science, even an inquiring QWERTY It gets squashed by militants on the left. There have been studies done that liken gay brains to heterosexual brains of the opposite sex and so forth but any attempts to correct or change sexual behavior to heteronormative based on thst information are and would be discouraged. How would YOU react if they wanted to study how to "correct" or "change" YOUR sexual behavior? Gays dont feel they need "fixing". No need to shout my sexual behavior is heterosexual and normal so no one questions it, it doesn't need correction change or study. Maybe you haven't found the right girl yourself? What scientists like to study are aberrations and their correlation and causation. In American and European societies where homosexuality has mucho societal acceptance and\or tolerance there are still high rates of promiscuity, drug and alcohol abuse, depression, self-harm and suicide within those "communities". If no one's legally prohibiting or judging same-or-multi-sexiness, why all the self-loathing? The CDC says acts of sexual violence are committed at a higher rate by gays, why doesn't gay=happy? I think society would like to analyse and address these problems and not ignore them, no? In study after study, no one has conclusively found a gay gene so as yet, the born this way argument isn't entirely true. As discussed earlier is it a predisposition that becomes a behavior via environmental factors? borne from abuse? from rebellion? toxins in food and water? a corrupted desire? Acquired behaviors that gave pleasure in experimentation that can't be forgotten as in the surely familiar "Fatty can't forget the Twinkie"?
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Post by Ff2 on Dec 21, 2016 10:43:07 GMT -5
How would YOU react if they wanted to study how to "correct" or "change" YOUR sexual behavior? Gays dont feel they need "fixing". No need to shout my sexual behavior is heterosexual and normal so no one questions it, it doesn't need correction change or study. Maybe you haven't found the right girl yourself? What scientists like to study are aberrations and their correlation and causation. In American and European societies where homosexuality has mucho societal acceptance and\or tolerance there are still high rates of promiscuity, drug and alcohol abuse, depression, self-harm and suicide within those "communities". If no one's legally prohibiting or judging same-or-multi-sexiness, why all the self-loathing? The CDC says acts of sexual violence are committed at a higher rate by gays, why doesn't gay=happy? I think society would like to analyse and address these problems and not ignore them, no? In study after study, no one has conclusively found a gay gene so as yet, the born this way argument isn't entirely true. As discussed earlier is it a predisposition that becomes a behavior via environmental factors? borne from abuse? from rebellion? toxins in food and water? a corrupted desire? Acquired behaviors that gave pleasure in experimentation that can't be forgotten as in the surely familiar "Fatty can't forget the Twinkie"? Annnnnd...gays would tell you they don't need need correction, change or study. The fact that you still want to call homosexuality an "acquired behavior" renders the entire post meaningless. Saying things like people become gay from "rebellion" are laughable. "Ill show my Dad...I'll start sucking cocks!" People get earrings and tattoos for that. I'd urge you to talk to actual gays folks and ask them about it. The will laugh their heads off at the thought that you can somehow "change their behavior". Just as you would if the told you they could change yours. A certain percentage of human population HAS ALWAYS BEEN homosexual. (Way before toxic water.) Thats just the way it is...as in the animal world as well. Over 500 species. Were they molested? Rebellious?
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