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Post by Paradis on Feb 9, 2017 23:44:08 GMT -5
He's also good, but I just saw the kid I was talking about is going back to school too. His name is Adam Breneman he's 6'4 252 and has good speed and is a decent blocker. He had 70 REC, 808 YDS, and 8 TDs this year. The guy I mentioned is a Heath Miller clone. He can do it all with a great catch radius, also owns every PSU record for a TE with terrific size. I see now... This year already has that guy in Jake Butt, but Mike's more dynamic downfield threat from what I remember. Still... Have you seen Everett? Between him, Howard, Sprinkle and Engram... talk about the future. |
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Post by Paradis on Feb 9, 2017 23:46:28 GMT -5
If all things were equal, I'll take Dalvin Cook every time over Fournette for reasons i've already labored over. I hated what I read about him recently; the gangster shite, droppin' bombs in wombs... sigh. That's half the NFL. I care about their football drive and commitment. He proved that during his bowl game. Yes, he came in a little over weight, but if you get him babysitter and have him sit down with a few ex athletes I don't think that's a problem. Hell Cro had a million kids but once he came to the Jets he started driving a Prius and can now pay for all their college tuition's' while living comfortably. Unfortunately his vasectomy didn't take haha. I hear you. I've been trumpeting that choir boys don't win superbowls... but there's something about a fucking ghetto entourage following him around that rubs me the wrong way. Kid's already thuggish to be begin with, now we gotta draft him, and his 5 homies? tell them to fuck off Dalvin. |
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Feb 9, 2017 23:46:12 GMT -5
He's also good, but I just saw the kid I was talking about is going back to school too. His name is Adam Breneman he's 6'4 252 and has good speed and is a decent blocker. He had 70 REC, 808 YDS, and 8 TDs this year. The guy I mentioned is a Heath Miller clone. He can do it all with a great catch radius, also owns every PSU record for a TE with terrific size. I read about him and watching him briefly, but I will have to pay more attention to him. This TE class is super strong. I think our first 3 picks should probably be RB, CB, and TE. That's the strength of this draft along with S. |
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Post by RobR on Feb 9, 2017 23:49:22 GMT -5
The guy I mentioned is a Heath Miller clone. He can do it all with a great catch radius, also owns every PSU record for a TE with terrific size. I see now... This year already has that guy in Jake Butt, but Mike's more dynamic downfield threat from what I remember. Still... Have you seen Everett? Between him, Howard, Sprinkle and Engram... talk about the future. I have not seen Everett but I think Gesicki is a much better prospect than Jake Butt, not even close. Butt is criminally overrated athletically and his injury will push him down even further. Not a fan. I love Howard, really like Sprinkle, and I don't think Engram fits this offense because he's a big WR and we already have that in Enunwa.. |
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Post by RobR on Feb 9, 2017 23:51:43 GMT -5
That's half the NFL. I care about their football drive and commitment. He proved that during his bowl game. Yes, he came in a little over weight, but if you get him babysitter and have him sit down with a few ex athletes I don't think that's a problem. Hell Cro had a million kids but once he came to the Jets he started driving a Prius and can now pay for all their college tuition's' while living comfortably. Unfortunately his vasectomy didn't take haha. I hear you. I've been trumpeting that choir boys don't win superbowls... but there's something about a fucking ghetto entourage following him around that rubs me the wrong way. Kid's already thuggish to be begin with, now we gotta draft him, and his 5 homies? tell them to fuck off Dalvin. The great debate on a great player. I love his college tape....serious boner pants. |
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Feb 9, 2017 23:52:08 GMT -5
That's half the NFL. I care about their football drive and commitment. He proved that during his bowl game. Yes, he came in a little over weight, but if you get him babysitter and have him sit down with a few ex athletes I don't think that's a problem. Hell Cro had a million kids but once he came to the Jets he started driving a Prius and can now pay for all their college tuition's' while living comfortably. Unfortunately his vasectomy didn't take haha. I hear you. I've been trumpeting that choir boys don't win superbowls... but there's something about a fucking ghetto entourage following him around that rubs me the wrong way. Kid's already thuggish to be begin with, now we gotta draft him, and his 5 homies? tell them to fuck off Dalvin. I feel you. The combine hasn't happened so Idk if I'd have the balls to take Cook over Fournette. However, imagine Fournette's cone drills are just ok. Would you rather take him at #6 or drop to #10 and daft Cook plus a top CB and TE in round 2? Or maybe we can take Hassan Adams with our extra 2nd. I kind of hope Fournette goes before us so we can drop back for Cook or Williams. |
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Post by Paradis on Feb 9, 2017 23:55:06 GMT -5
I hear you. I've been trumpeting that choir boys don't win superbowls... but there's something about a fucking ghetto entourage following him around that rubs me the wrong way. Kid's already thuggish to be begin with, now we gotta draft him, and his 5 homies? tell them to fuck off Dalvin. The great debate on a great player. I love his college tape....serious boner pants. he's the best player in the draft, on the field. Yea i said it. |
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Post by Paradis on Feb 9, 2017 23:55:54 GMT -5
I see now... This year already has that guy in Jake Butt, but Mike's more dynamic downfield threat from what I remember. Still... Have you seen Everett? Between him, Howard, Sprinkle and Engram... talk about the future. I have not seen Everett but I think Gesicki is a much better prospect than Jake Butt, not even close. Butt is criminally overrated athletically and his injury will push him down even further. Not a fan. I love Howard, really like Sprinkle, and I don't think Engram fits this offense because he's a big WR and we already have that in Enunwa.. Honestly, I don't care about Butt much. He's a plodder. A lesser Witten.... I think Engram can play on any team. The team has to commit to having Enunwa at X or Z... he's not a true Hback/joker TE. Engram is IMO. |
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Post by RobR on Feb 9, 2017 23:58:45 GMT -5
The great debate on a great player. I love his college tape....serious boner pants. he's the best player in the draft, on the field. Yea i said it. Wow. Now let the Fournette vs. Cook battles commence.  |
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Post by Touchable on Feb 11, 2017 9:52:58 GMT -5
I have not seen Everett but I think Gesicki is a much better prospect than Jake Butt, not even close. Butt is criminally overrated athletically and his injury will push him down even further. Not a fan. I love Howard, really like Sprinkle, and I don't think Engram fits this offense because he's a big WR and we already have that in Enunwa.. Honestly, I don't care about Butt much. He's a plodder. A lesser Witten.... I think Engram can play on any team. The team has to commit to having Enunwa at X or Z... he's not a true Hback/joker TE. Engram is IMO. I'd take Butt in the 3rd if he's there If it wasn't for the knee, he's easily the 2nd best TE after Howard IMO. He's not going to blow you away in the passing game, but at least he's consistent. Considering the heaping pile of shit we've had at the position ever since Shuler left, that's all I want. He's also not great as an inline blocker but he gives great effort and certainly can at least achieve above average status in the area. I like the Heath Miller comparison and I'd be thrilled if that's what Butt turns into. |
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Post by maury77 on Feb 11, 2017 9:59:12 GMT -5
Due to injury concerns, I don't think I can take Jake Butt before the 5th round. He's already had 2 ACL tears.
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Post by Paradis on Feb 11, 2017 12:26:01 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't care about Butt much. He's a plodder. A lesser Witten.... I think Engram can play on any team. The team has to commit to having Enunwa at X or Z... he's not a true Hback/joker TE. Engram is IMO. I'd take Butt in the 3rd if he's there If it wasn't for the knee, he's easily the 2nd best TE after Howard IMO.
Only if the criteria is to be inline TE with average receiving skills. Butt's is an above average all around TE (starting to remind me of lesser Greg Olson), but he doesn't bring nearly enough ceiling to the table to be ahead of others in this class IMO. |
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Post by RobR on Feb 11, 2017 23:10:01 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't care about Butt much. He's a plodder. A lesser Witten.... I think Engram can play on any team. The team has to commit to having Enunwa at X or Z... he's not a true Hback/joker TE. Engram is IMO. I'd take Butt in the 3rd if he's there If it wasn't for the knee, he's easily the 2nd best TE after Howard IMO. He's not going to blow you away in the passing game, but at least he's consistent. Considering the heaping pile of shit we've had at the position ever since Shuler left, that's all I want. He's also not great as an inline blocker but he gives great effort and certainly can at least achieve above average status in the area. I like the Heath Miller comparison and I'd be thrilled if that's what Butt turns into. He's nothing like Heath Miller even before the injury. How can you want to burn a high third on a guy that you say "will not blow you away in the passing game". Then you mention, "he's also not great as an inline blocker." I would never drop a high third rounder on a prospect like that coming off an ACL. He was criminally overrated coming out and the fake news listed him as a possible first rounder after he suffered his injury during the bowl game. "Fake News" |
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Post by Touchable on Feb 12, 2017 12:17:35 GMT -5
I'd take Butt in the 3rd if he's there If it wasn't for the knee, he's easily the 2nd best TE after Howard IMO. He's not going to blow you away in the passing game, but at least he's consistent. Considering the heaping pile of shit we've had at the position ever since Shuler left, that's all I want. He's also not great as an inline blocker but he gives great effort and certainly can at least achieve above average status in the area. I like the Heath Miller comparison and I'd be thrilled if that's what Butt turns into. He's nothing like Heath Miller even before the injury. How can you want to burn a high third on a guy that you say "will not blow you away in the passing game". Then you mention, "he's also not great as an inline blocker." I would never drop a high third rounder on a prospect like that coming off an ACL. He was criminally overrated coming out and the fake news listed him as a possible first rounder after he suffered his injury during the bowl game. "Fake News" Because I don't really care if Butt is a future all-pro. He comes back from the ACL, and you have a consistent short-intermediate option in the passing game who can play inline, split out wide and should develop into at least a solid blocker in short time. If Butt could average 50 catches, 500 yards and 5-6 TD's a year, I'd call that a good, productive starter at the position. I'll take that out of a 3rd/4th round pick. And Butt is a true TE. I personally don't care much for the oversized wideouts like Engram and Everett. |
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Post by vulgardisplayoffutbo on Feb 12, 2017 15:14:01 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't care about Butt much. He's a plodder. A lesser Witten.... I think Engram can play on any team. The team has to commit to having Enunwa at X or Z... he's not a true Hback/joker TE. Engram is IMO. I'd take Butt in the 3rd if he's there If it wasn't for the knee, he's easily the 2nd best TE after Howard IMO. He's not going to blow you away in the passing game, but at least he's consistent. Considering the heaping pile of shit we've had at the position ever since Shuler left, that's all I want. He's also not great as an inline blocker but he gives great effort and certainly can at least achieve above average status in the area. I like the Heath Miller comparison and I'd be thrilled if that's what Butt turns into. I still cant believe Bradway passed on Heath Miller by trading the pick for Doug fucking Jolley. |
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