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Post by Lithfan on Mar 8, 2017 9:22:05 GMT -5
Have not seen much sentiment for a guy like OJ Howard at 6. Whenever anyone mentions a TE, it is always with the idea of trade back and take a TE. Ideally I would love to see Macc trade back, but if he can't, why not take a guy like OJ Howard at 6. We could use another big target for whomever our QB might be and at 6'6", 250, and running a 4.5 40, he would be a matchup nightmare for any defense. A receiving group including Howard, Enunwa, Decker and Anderson would look pretty good next season. No significant injury history, no off field problems that I am aware of. OJ Howard at 6.  |
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Post by Touchable on Mar 8, 2017 9:25:59 GMT -5
I wouldn't be against it at all
Seeing how everyone raves about what a deep draft this is on the defensive side, I'd really prefer to go offense in the first 2 rounds and then build up the defense the rest of the way.
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Post by sec.101row23 on Mar 8, 2017 10:27:43 GMT -5
Unfortunately I didn't see two minutes of any of the combine stuff from last week. But the more I think about this draft the more Howard makes sense at 6. This franchise will be developing a young QB, it's Hack this year and hopefully a Darnold next year, but IMO a necessity for doing that is having big targets who even if covered can still make plays for you. I see that Howard ran 4.51 at 6'6" 250?? That's pretty legit. There is a lot a competent OC could do with that type of skill set. I know the RBs look exciting, but when you realize that this team is a few years away from competing, and when you factor in the RB life cycle in this league, you really won't get much bang for the buck with an RB this year. IMO, you add the elite RB prospect when you are ready to go on a 3-4 year run, NOT when you are 3 years away from one.
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Post by beerfish on Mar 8, 2017 11:10:01 GMT -5
Eeshhhhhh I can see the need for weapons but if you draft him there he had better be Gronk/Graham.
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Post by ruby2 on Mar 8, 2017 12:17:15 GMT -5
I was really impressed with Howard and Njoku's numbers this weekend and started thinking about taking TE at 6.
Best case scenario still is a trade back I think, but that is hard to do. If they dont like Fournette at 6 im ok with Howard there. The DB depth is crazy and I just cant deal with the thought of taking defense in the first yet again.
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Post by maury77 on Mar 8, 2017 12:32:41 GMT -5
Howard is a nice prospect, but I can't get excited about a tight end in the top 10 of the draft.
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Post by JStokes on Mar 8, 2017 12:43:38 GMT -5
Love Howard.
And I hate when idiots say this but if we could trade back JUST a little bit it'd be a home run.
Having said that, I wouldn't complain if we took the player at 6.
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Post by Lithfan on Mar 8, 2017 12:51:28 GMT -5
Howard is a nice prospect, but I can't get excited about a tight end in the top 10 of the draft. Normally I would agree with you, and that is largely why I have been ignoring Howard when considering options at 6. On the other hand, I do not see this as a typical draft with elite talent at traditional "Top 10" type positions: Edge (outside of Garrett), WR, OT, QB, DL. Which means some non-traditional top 10 type picks are likely to be made. I really want to see the Jets take an elite offensive weapon, and a guy like Howard could be the best option out there. |
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Post by JStokes on Mar 8, 2017 12:57:58 GMT -5
Howard is a nice prospect, but I can't get excited about a tight end in the top 10 of the draft. Normally I would agree with you, and that is largely why I have been ignoring Howard when considering options at 6. On the other hand, I do not see this as a typical draft with elite talent at traditional "Top 10" type positions: Edge (outside of Garrett), WR, OT, QB, DL. Which means some non-traditional top 10 type picks are likely to be made. I really want to see the Jets take an elite offensive weapon, and a guy like Howard could be the best option out there. Then if that's the case, don't you go with a Fournette or Cook who could get 20-25 touches a game rather than max 8 or 9? _ |
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Post by Lithfan on Mar 8, 2017 13:05:01 GMT -5
Normally I would agree with you, and that is largely why I have been ignoring Howard when considering options at 6. On the other hand, I do not see this as a typical draft with elite talent at traditional "Top 10" type positions: Edge (outside of Garrett), WR, OT, QB, DL. Which means some non-traditional top 10 type picks are likely to be made. I really want to see the Jets take an elite offensive weapon, and a guy like Howard could be the best option out there. Then if that's the case, don't you go with a Fournette or Cook who could get 20-25 touches a game rather than max 8 or 9? _ They are certainly options at 6, and I would not complain if we took either guy. But what scares me about both guys is that they had issues with ball security. Cook fumbled once every 64 touches at FSU and Fournette was once about every 80. Those numbers scare me. I also agree with Sec101 that RB is a last piece of the puzzle. Unless you are getting a generational talent (and while I think both will be good pros, I don't see the next Peterson or Sanders), I would rather get other pieces in place first. Just look at what is happening to Todd Gurley with a bad Rams team. |
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Post by JStokes on Mar 8, 2017 13:10:36 GMT -5
Then if that's the case, don't you go with a Fournette or Cook who could get 20-25 touches a game rather than max 8 or 9? _ They are certainly options at 6, and I would not complain if we took either guy. But what scares me about both guys is that they had issues with ball security. Cook fumbled once every 64 touches at FSU and Fournette was once about every 80. Those numbers scare me. I also agree with Sec101 that RB is a last piece of the puzzle. Unless you are getting a generational talent (and while I think both will be good pros, I don't see the next Peterson or Sanders), I would rather get other pieces in place first. Just look at what is happening to Todd Gurley with a bad Rams team. Yeah I've seen them both and that doesn't really bother me. I think fumbling can be fixed. But incredible production. My only issue with Howard has little to do with him and more how he was utilized. Super talented but not nearly the production at Alabam to gamble such a high pick on. He could be the next superstar TE. I've always wanted a Jimmy Graham/Gronk type player. _ |
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Post by ruby2 on Mar 8, 2017 13:27:56 GMT -5
I want no part of Cook unless he vastly improves his numbers on his pro day. I know these tests aren't the be all end all but you couple these disappointing marks with his questionable character and you get a guy I want no part of at 6. www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/12138/dalvin-cookFlorida State RB Dalvin Cook tested as ninth-percentile SPARQ athlete at the NFL Combine. Tennessee RB Alvin Kamara had the highest SPARQ score of any back in Indy, hitting the 79th percentile. Cook was at the opposite end of the spectrum, struggling in the three-cone drill (7.27), 20-yard shuttle (4.53), vertical (30.5"), and broad jump (9'8"). He did run a solid forty (4.49). Still, it was a concerning weekend for a back considered a potential first-round pick. According to 3 Sigma Athlete's Zach Whitman, no running back who tested as a sub-10th-percentile SPARQ athlete has been drafted in the first round in the last 17 years. |
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Post by vulgardisplayoffutbo on Mar 8, 2017 14:00:43 GMT -5
Love Howard. And I hate when idiots say this but if we could trade back JUST a little bit it'd be a home run. Having said that, I wouldn't complain if we took the player at 6. _ Yup. Who knows, maybe Carolina falls in love with one of the running backs and wants to jump to secure him. But either way, I wouldn't be opposed to drafting Howard, be that at 6 or later on. |
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Post by Lithfan on Mar 8, 2017 14:09:27 GMT -5
My only issue with Howard has little to do with him and more how he was utilized. Super talented but not nearly the production at Alabam to gamble such a high pick on. He could be the next superstar TE. I've always wanted a Jimmy Graham/Gronk type player. I don't necessarily disagree with you, I just think he should be in the discussion. So I decided to start a thread to put him in the discussion. |
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Post by JStokes on Mar 8, 2017 14:11:55 GMT -5
My only issue with Howard has little to do with him and more how he was utilized. Super talented but not nearly the production at Alabam to gamble such a high pick on. He could be the next superstar TE. I've always wanted a Jimmy Graham/Gronk type player. I don't necessarily disagree with you, I just think he should be in the discussion. So I decided to start a thread to put him in the discussion. And don't get me wrong. Would love to have him. Finally a big athletic weapon TE. Kind of like the anti-Jace Amaro. _ |
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