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Post by DDNYjets on Mar 24, 2017 19:11:47 GMT -5
Thats closer to the truth than blaming Trump. This is an inherited mess. Obama succeeded in getting working class people on the gubmint nipple. They arent ready to come off. One thing is for sure, it will implode. And it will be easier to take away the sweet gubmint milk when it turns sour. Trump promised to repeal and replace immediately. His plan was shot down by his own party. A party that's been salivating at the thought of getting rid of obamacare for the last 7 years. I don't know who else there is to blame here. He wanted his plan voted for immediately and it was shot down. This is a huge disaster for him. Now he's got another campaign promise that he's failed to deliver on. This was Ryan's plan. He got Trump on-board because he convinced him getting healthcare done would make the new tax plans even better bc it would let them get rid of taxes associated with Obamacare. Trump's voters didnt even like this deal. Most Ive spoke to hated that Ryan was running the show with this bill and want him to get rid of Ryan. This makes it easier for him. Make no mistake, Trump took one on the chin today but in the long run Obamacare is still gonna make a lot of people suffer and soon the focus will shift to that. |
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Post by Frank Reynolds on Mar 24, 2017 19:18:28 GMT -5
Trump promised to repeal and replace immediately. His plan was shot down by his own party. A party that's been salivating at the thought of getting rid of obamacare for the last 7 years. I don't know who else there is to blame here. He wanted his plan voted for immediately and it was shot down. This is a huge disaster for him. Now he's got another campaign promise that he's failed to deliver on. This was Ryan's plan. He got Trump on-board because he convinced him getting healthcare done would make the new tax plans even better bc it would let them get rid of taxes associated with Obamacare. Trump's voters didnt even like this deal. Most Ive spoke to hated that Ryan was running the show with this bill and want him to get rid of Ryan. This makes it easier for him. Make no mistake, Trump took one on the chin today but in the long run Obamacare is still gonna make a lot of people suffer and soon the focus will shift to that. Fair assessment. Not much i don't agree with there. Time will tell with obamacare vs what could have been. Definitely agreed regarding that stooge, ryan. |
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Post by bxjetfan on Mar 24, 2017 19:36:28 GMT -5
I was pretty pissed when Obamacare was rolled out with all the secrecy and no input from the Republicans. Then this fuckhead Ryan turns around and does the exact same thing. Seven years later and it's obvious Obamacare is a disaster and needs fixing. Trump wants to get shit done, he doesn't have a problem working with anyone. He fucked up trusting Ryan.
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Post by flushingjet on Mar 24, 2017 20:35:57 GMT -5
Not to worry everyone. I'm sure Trump will hit these issues hard on twitter shortly. And blame the previous administration as well as everyone but himself. Yup Trump put Obamacare in place and not only that was responsible for your higher premiums and deductibles |
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Post by flushingjet on Mar 24, 2017 20:44:47 GMT -5
I was pretty pissed when Obamacare was rolled out with all the secrecy and no input from the Republicans. Then this fuckhead Ryan turns around and does the exact same thing. Seven years later and it's obvious Obamacare is a disaster and needs fixing. Trump wants to get shit done, he doesn't have a problem working with anyone. He fucked up trusting Ryan. Bills originate in the house and Ryan was installed as its leader long before Trump. WI voters in Ryan's district were happy enough to send him back to Congress Election Day and House GOP were still OK with him as Speaker, Not sure what else Trump could do about all that ^ except set up Ryan like a bowling pin to take the hit |
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Post by Frank Reynolds on Mar 24, 2017 20:47:26 GMT -5
And blame the previous administration as well as everyone but himself. Yup Trump put Obamacare in place and not only that was responsible for your higher premiums and deductibles He wasn't responsible for obamacare, but, as current president, he is responsible for healthcare now. He made a promise to immediately repeal and replace. A promise he isn't going to keep. Obamacare isn't going anywhere anytime soon. |
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Post by bxjetfan on Mar 24, 2017 20:55:56 GMT -5
I was pretty pissed when Obamacare was rolled out with all the secrecy and no input from the Republicans. Then this fuckhead Ryan turns around and does the exact same thing. Seven years later and it's obvious Obamacare is a disaster and needs fixing. Trump wants to get shit done, he doesn't have a problem working with anyone. He fucked up trusting Ryan. Bills originate in the house and Ryan was installed as its leader long before Trump. WI voters in Ryan's district were happy enough to send him back to Congress Election Day and House GOP were still OK with him as Speaker, Not sure what else Trump could do about all that ^ except set up Ryan like a bowling pin to take the hit It's a learning process for Trump, he's never been in politics. If he really wanted to fuck Ryan, he would have let it go to a vote in my opinion. By pulling it, they can continue to work on something and hopefully get a deal done. Now he just has to reach across the aisle and get input from some moderate Dems that are coming up for reelection in 2018. But he is going to have to be much more hands on going forward. |
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Post by flushingjet on Mar 24, 2017 21:15:36 GMT -5
Yup Trump put Obamacare in place and not only that was responsible for your higher premiums and deductibles He wasn't responsible for obamacare, but, as current president, he is responsible for healthcare now. He made a promise to immediately repeal and replace. A promise he isn't going to keep. Obamacare isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Uh, it's up to Congress to do that. |
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Post by Frank Reynolds on Mar 24, 2017 21:25:04 GMT -5
He wasn't responsible for obamacare, but, as current president, he is responsible for healthcare now. He made a promise to immediately repeal and replace. A promise he isn't going to keep. Obamacare isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Uh, it's up to Congress to do that. And the house is majority republican, so what's the problem? It's up to him to get things done. He made the promises that people bought into. He should be responsible for following through with them. Mexico isn't paying for any wall, obamacare is here to stay, and the swamp isn't drained. So what exactly is trump doing besides selling snake oil? |
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Post by bxjetfan on Mar 24, 2017 21:38:18 GMT -5
Uh, it's up to Congress to do that. And the house is majority republican, so what's the problem? It's up to him to get things done. He made the promises that people bought into. He should be responsible for following through with them. Mexico isn't paying for any wall, obamacare is here to stay, and the swamp isn't drained. So what exactly is trump doing besides selling snake oil? The house majority isn't big enough to overcome opposition from his own party's right or left wing. He needs to get some democrats involved and ask for support from the Dems in the swing states. They have to be feeling vulnerable after Trumps election. Then he needs to take a vote. Let the pricks in the Republican Party put their name to a no vote and see how that goes. |
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Post by southparkcpa on Mar 24, 2017 21:39:18 GMT -5
Fuck you Paul Ryan. Fuck you Ted Cruz. Fuck you Rand Paul. Just fuck all of you lying cocksuckers. I hope trump campaigns against every one of these cocksuckers that submarined the health care reform bill. This bill didn't even get to the senate.... so for what it's worth it's a weak bill. im not angry.... it will give Trump a sense of what the freedom caucus is looking for. Ryan is a POS in my view, McCain is worse. |
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Post by Frank Reynolds on Mar 24, 2017 21:42:54 GMT -5
And the house is majority republican, so what's the problem? It's up to him to get things done. He made the promises that people bought into. He should be responsible for following through with them. Mexico isn't paying for any wall, obamacare is here to stay, and the swamp isn't drained. So what exactly is trump doing besides selling snake oil? The house majority isn't big enough to overcome opposition from his own party's right or left wing. He needs to get some democrats involved and ask for support from the Dems in the swing states. They have to be feeling vulnerable after Trumps election. Then he needs to take a vote. Let the pricks in the Republican Party put their name to a no vote and see how that goes. If they can come together to work out a plan that works and everyone can agree to, that would be great. Problem is, how often does that happen in washington? You either play for the blue team or the red team. |
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Post by bxjetfan on Mar 24, 2017 21:49:02 GMT -5
Fuck you Paul Ryan. Fuck you Ted Cruz. Fuck you Rand Paul. Just fuck all of you lying cocksuckers. I hope trump campaigns against every one of these cocksuckers that submarined the health care reform bill. This bill didn't even get to the senate.... so for what it's worth it's a weak bill. im not angry.... it will give Trump a sense of what the freedom caucus is looking for. Ryan is a POS in my view, McCain is worse. Ronald Reagan would take 70% of whatever he wanted every day of the week and then go knock back a beer with Tip O'Neill. He would try to get the other 30% later. The right wing of the Republican Party are a bunch of Dbags. The Democrats represent about half the country. Whether you like them or not you have to compromise to get shit done. |
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Post by bxjetfan on Mar 24, 2017 21:52:08 GMT -5
The house majority isn't big enough to overcome opposition from his own party's right or left wing. He needs to get some democrats involved and ask for support from the Dems in the swing states. They have to be feeling vulnerable after Trumps election. Then he needs to take a vote. Let the pricks in the Republican Party put their name to a no vote and see how that goes. If they can come together to work out a plan that works and everyone can agree to, that would be great. Problem is, how often does that happen in washington? You either play for the blue team or the red team. The leadership of BOTH parties suck. |
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Post by southparkcpa on Mar 24, 2017 22:08:08 GMT -5
This bill didn't even get to the senate.... so for what it's worth it's a weak bill. im not angry.... it will give Trump a sense of what the freedom caucus is looking for. Ryan is a POS in my view, McCain is worse. Ronald Reagan would take 70% of whatever he wanted every day of the week and then go knock back a beer with Tip O'Neill. He would try to get the other 30% later. The right wing of the Republican Party are a bunch of Dbags. The Democrats represent about half the country. Whether you like them or not you have to compromise to get shit done. I'm tired of compromise.... I love what's happening. compromise has us where we are today. This bill would be the end of conservatism. |
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