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Post by southparkcpa on Mar 25, 2017 18:06:49 GMT -5
Please name one thing Obama did to better this country...if you say Obama care, I'll shit a red turtle. MAny states have one provider now. Not exactly sure how that has anything to do with Trump and all of his false promises that you could see from a mile away, but ok. He bailed out the american car industry. Would ford or gm exist today if it weren't for him and those bailouts? He came into office in a recession and he left leaving a much stronger economy. Banks no longer just give away mortgages that caused that whole mess because of his reformed banking regulations. Oh and obamacare. It's not a perfect system, but pretty much everyone is now insured. And the guy that will keep winning can't seem to come up with a better replacement like he promised. Now let's see that turtle. Ford took no bailout money, the mortgage crisis was a problem created by democrats saying all people should own homes. OBamas legacy he his base got destroyed under his leadership. A democracy like ours works well... Trump is unable to push through a bad bill. I'm all for it. But Obama weakened this country and the number of people dependent of government is at all time highs. I voted for Trump but he is not perfect. Not even close. But this country would be France in 8 years under Clinton. |
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Post by Frank Reynolds on Mar 25, 2017 18:23:13 GMT -5
Not exactly sure how that has anything to do with Trump and all of his false promises that you could see from a mile away, but ok. He bailed out the american car industry. Would ford or gm exist today if it weren't for him and those bailouts? He came into office in a recession and he left leaving a much stronger economy. Banks no longer just give away mortgages that caused that whole mess because of his reformed banking regulations. Oh and obamacare. It's not a perfect system, but pretty much everyone is now insured. And the guy that will keep winning can't seem to come up with a better replacement like he promised. Now let's see that turtle. Ford took no bailout money, the mortgage crisis was a problem created by democrats saying all people should own homes. OBamas legacy he his base got destroyed under his leadership. A democracy like ours works well... Trump is unable to push through a bad bill. I'm all for it. But Obama weakened this country and the number of people dependent of government is at all time highs. I voted for Trump but he is not perfect. Not even close. But this country would be France in 8 years under Clinton. You're correct - ford didn't take any money. GM and Chrysler sure took a whole lot. This was a direct quote from Ford regarding the $80 million given to the US auto industry thought - "Without the bailout, the entire industry would have been severely disrupted." Obama saved the US auto industry and a whole lot of jobs that come along with it. So the democrats forced banks to just hand out mortgages without doing any real due diligence? I disagree. It's was greed that caused and allowed that to happen. And it was under a republicans watch. I agree with pretty much everything else besides Clinton. I think she would have kept the status quo, which is fine for me the way the economy is trending. Who knows where we'll be in 4 years (hopefully) after this used car salesman is done. I'm just hoping he doesn't do too much damage. These first couple months don't have me very optimistic, but in all honesty, I do hope he turns it around. I do want him to succeed - i just don't believe a word he says. He's no better than any other politician. He's definitely no savior that people are hoping him to be. |
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Post by flushingjet on Mar 25, 2017 21:12:20 GMT -5
Ford took no bailout money, the mortgage crisis was a problem created by democrats saying all people should own homes. OBamas legacy he his base got destroyed under his leadership. A democracy like ours works well... Trump is unable to push through a bad bill. I'm all for it. But Obama weakened this country and the number of people dependent of government is at all time highs. I voted for Trump but he is not perfect. Not even close. But this country would be France in 8 years under Clinton. You're correct - ford didn't take any money. GM and Chrysler sure took a whole lot. This was a direct quote from Ford regarding the $80 million given to the US auto industry thought - "Without the bailout, the entire industry would have been severely disrupted." Obama saved the US auto industry and a whole lot of jobs that come along with it. So the democrats forced banks to just hand out mortgages without doing any real due diligence? I disagree. It's was greed that caused and allowed that to happen. And it was under a republicans watch. I agree with pretty much everything else besides Clinton. I think she would have kept the status quo, which is fine for me the way the economy is trending. Who knows where we'll be in 4 years (hopefully) after this used car salesman is done. I'm just hoping he doesn't do too much damage. These first couple months don't have me very optimistic, but in all honesty, I do hope he turns it around. I do want him to succeed - i just don't believe a word he says. He's no better than any other politician. He's definitely no savior that people are hoping him to be. The way the economy is trending..  |
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Post by Frank Reynolds on Mar 25, 2017 21:41:58 GMT -5
You're correct - ford didn't take any money. GM and Chrysler sure took a whole lot. This was a direct quote from Ford regarding the $80 million given to the US auto industry thought - "Without the bailout, the entire industry would have been severely disrupted." Obama saved the US auto industry and a whole lot of jobs that come along with it. So the democrats forced banks to just hand out mortgages without doing any real due diligence? I disagree. It's was greed that caused and allowed that to happen. And it was under a republicans watch. I agree with pretty much everything else besides Clinton. I think she would have kept the status quo, which is fine for me the way the economy is trending. Who knows where we'll be in 4 years (hopefully) after this used car salesman is done. I'm just hoping he doesn't do too much damage. These first couple months don't have me very optimistic, but in all honesty, I do hope he turns it around. I do want him to succeed - i just don't believe a word he says. He's no better than any other politician. He's definitely no savior that people are hoping him to be. The way the economy is trending.. Was the economy better or worse from the time he came into office to the time he left? I'm employed. My 401k is up. My ira is up. My mutual fund investments are up. The market is at record highs. I have good health insurance. I don't really have much to complain about. Maybe your simple mind can't get your shit straight jerking off to pictures of the donald all day, but I've done well during obama's regime. I know you trumptards think this guy was the antichrist and all, but I've got nothing to complain about. And wasn't this idiot president just taking credit for a recent job report in his first month in office? Like he had anything to do with that. Sure, it wasn't the past 8 years that's producing positive job reports, it's trumps 15 minutes in office that's producing that. |
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Post by porgyman on Mar 26, 2017 8:35:08 GMT -5
Let me begin by stating that I am generally not a Bernie Sanders guy. Having said this, he is correct on one thing. The only rationale solution to this Obamacare issue is a single payor plan. Expand Medicare to cover every legal adult in the country. Allow competition on prescription drugs.
Why will this not work? Republicans and some Democrats will never go for it. Too many receive money from the insurance and pharmaceutical industries.
In the end, we all lose.
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Mar 26, 2017 10:18:34 GMT -5
Trump made a big mistake. He relied on the establishment guys in Congress... You know the guys who not only refused to endorse their party's candidate, they also campaigned against him.
Now the media is desperate to pin the Bill's failure on Trump because if it is not Trump's failure, it's the establishment's failure. And they can't have that.
I would like to see Trump say that he tried it the business as usual way and the ills of a broken system will not allow effective change and progress. He then needs to come up with a way to govern around an obstructionist Congress. Before you cry dictatorship, if I remember correctly, when president Obama did it, the media and his supporters called it leadership.
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Post by southparkcpa on Mar 26, 2017 11:21:11 GMT -5
The way the economy is trending.. Was the economy better or worse from the time he came into office to the time he left? I'm employed. My 401k is up. My ira is up. My mutual fund investments are up. The market is at record highs. I have good health insurance. I don't really have much to complain about. Maybe your simple mind can't get your shit straight jerking off to pictures of the donald all day, but I've done well during obama's regime. I know you trumptards think this guy was the antichrist and all, but I've got nothing to complain about. And wasn't this idiot president just taking credit for a recent job report in his first month in office? Like he had anything to do with that. Sure, it wasn't the past 8 years that's producing positive job reports, it's trumps 15 minutes in office that's producing that. Well... im happy for you. Ive done VERY well financially as well. I manage money and get paid as a percentage of assets. Assets have almost tripled since 2009 so I earn a kings ransom. Yet I see everyday people who are self employed who cant get insurance except for ONE available carrier. Premiums went from $500 a month to $1,800 in 2 years. Investment assets are up on profits, which result from automation which is creating the largest base of future unemployment we will ever see. I dont care who the president is... in 10 years 20 percent of all malls will close as the anchors go under. That alone will create unemployment like we've never seen. Obama never tried to get the poor to work or get educated. He simply blamed their poorness on others. I grew up on welfare, single mom and me, mt brother and sister are all basically "Well off". Why ? Parenting pushed us to be successful. I see young men tatted, pierced, pants doen their ass and they blame Trump because they cant get a job? Obama should have stood on a podium in poor neighborhoods and talked about getting a job, any job. Do it well, work hard, go to school, stop making babies out of wedlock. He didnt. Thats hard work. Something he has never done. |
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Post by Hotman on Mar 26, 2017 11:50:29 GMT -5
Let me begin by stating that I am generally not a Bernie Sanders guy. Having said this, he is correct on one thing. The only rationale solution to this Obamacare issue is a single payor plan. Expand Medicare to cover every legal adult in the country. Allow competition on prescription drugs. Why will this not work? Republicans and some Democrats will never go for it. Too many receive money from the insurance and pharmaceutical industries. In the end, we all lose. Don't agree with him on everything, but this he is 100% right. these motherfuckers make money off you being, and STAYING sick.... And then the ones who can't afford their bullshit insurance and poisons, who decide to self medicate with SAFER medications mind you, they get locked up in prison on longer sentences than murder and rape.... And then these cocksuckers charge the taxpayers 200K a year to house each of these dangerous felons..... FUCK THIS SHIT |
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Post by DDNYjets on Mar 26, 2017 13:33:38 GMT -5
Was the economy better or worse from the time he came into office to the time he left? I'm employed. My 401k is up. My ira is up. My mutual fund investments are up. The market is at record highs. I have good health insurance. I don't really have much to complain about. Maybe your simple mind can't get your shit straight jerking off to pictures of the donald all day, but I've done well during obama's regime. I know you trumptards think this guy was the antichrist and all, but I've got nothing to complain about. And wasn't this idiot president just taking credit for a recent job report in his first month in office? Like he had anything to do with that. Sure, it wasn't the past 8 years that's producing positive job reports, it's trumps 15 minutes in office that's producing that. Well... im happy for you. Ive done VERY well financially as well. I manage money and get paid as a percentage of assets. Assets have almost tripled since 2009 so I earn a kings ransom. Yet I see everyday people who are self employed who cant get insurance except for ONE available carrier. Premiums went from $500 a month to $1,800 in 2 years. Investment assets are up on profits, which result from automation which is creating the largest base of future unemployment we will ever see. I dont care who the president is... in 10 years 20 percent of all malls will close as the anchors go under. That alone will create unemployment like we've never seen. Obama never tried to get the poor to work or get educated. He simply blamed their poorness on others. I grew up on welfare, single mom and me, mt brother and sister are all basically "Well off". Why ? Parenting pushed us to be successful. I see young men tatted, pierced, pants doen their ass and they blame Trump because they cant get a job? Obama should have stood on a podium in poor neighborhoods and talked about getting a job, any job. Do it well, work hard, go to school, stop making babies out of wedlock. He didnt. Thats hard work. Something he has never done. We doubled our national debt to pad everyone's 401ks. How many trillions have they pumped into the market? Dow should be at 40000. And Obama created part time jobs. When everyone was complimenting Trump on the employment numbers last month even he said the way they calculate them are phony. He is going to pay attention to the real unemployment and hopefully do things to get people back in the job market and broaden the tax base. We can't sustain ourselves when nearly half the country pays no federal income tax. |
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Post by Big L on Mar 26, 2017 17:08:32 GMT -5
^^ we can't sustain oeurselves by adding govt programs and cutting taxes. Gotta cut programs and raise taxes if we're ever going to get out of debt. It's a big shit sandwich, and we're all going to have to take a bite; but that doesn't get you votes and a cushy career doing nothing.
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Post by flushingjet on Mar 26, 2017 18:18:32 GMT -5
^^ we can't sustain oeurselves by adding govt programs and cutting taxes. Gotta cut programs and raise taxes if we're ever going to get out of debt. It's a big shit sandwich, and we're all going to have to take a bite; but that doesn't get you votes and a cushy career doing nothing. not exactly we have to cut programs...EPA, NPR, PP, Foreign Aid, lots more but also we have to cut recipients....not the SS / VA people who are truly entitled-US Citizens who have PAID IN, IN SPADES but all the EIC, tax refunds, benefits of any kind to millions of illegals and uncitizens from EVERYWHERE deport and displace 0care waste replace all or part if not fully repeal tax receipts are at an all-time high tax up to 50% remittances to retirement villa allegres Americans fund keep that slave labor cash in our economy |
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Post by Ff2 on Mar 27, 2017 8:58:38 GMT -5
Ronald Reagan would take 70% of whatever he wanted every day of the week and then go knock back a beer with Tip O'Neill. He would try to get the other 30% later. The right wing of the Republican Party are a bunch of Dbags. The Democrats represent about half the country. Whether you like them or not you have to compromise to get shit done. I'm tired of compromise.... I love what's happening. compromise has us where we are today. This bill would be the end of conservatism. Compromise isn't why where here. Each party "getting their way" is why we are here. Winning has replaced governing. |
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Post by southparkcpa on Mar 27, 2017 10:40:29 GMT -5
I'm tired of compromise.... I love what's happening. compromise has us where we are today. This bill would be the end of conservatism. Compromise isn't why where here. Each party "getting their way" is why we are here. Winning has replaced governing. I dont think either side would agree with you. I respect your opinion here but ...neither has gotten their way. Obama certainly did not and he had to compromise regardless of what conservatives believe. Use the Post office as an example. we could automate our way to mail deliver 2 times a week but postal unions and congressmen in districts wont allow it , both because they want the union support. BUT... do you really 'EVER" receive anything in the mail of importance? That program could be cut by 70 percent but its not. THAT is the result of compromise. Almost all of federal and local government is run just like the post office. Its bloated, inefficient and high labor intensity. Any company with a competitor would collapse under this model. |
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Post by Ff2 on Mar 27, 2017 11:08:46 GMT -5
Compromise isn't why where here. Each party "getting their way" is why we are here. Winning has replaced governing. I dont think either side would agree with you. I respect your opinion here but ...neither has gotten their way. Obama certainly did not and he had to compromise regardless of what conservatives believe. Use the Post office as an example. we could automate our way to mail deliver 2 times a week but postal unions and congressmen in districts wont allow it , both because they want the union support. BUT... do you really 'EVER" receive anything in the mail of importance? That program could be cut by 70 percent but its not. THAT is the result of compromise. Almost all of federal and local government is run just like the post office. Its bloated, inefficient and high labor intensity. Any company with a competitor would collapse under this model. I get my CPAs bill. Is that important?  |
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Post by Trades on Mar 27, 2017 11:19:53 GMT -5
I dont think either side would agree with you. I respect your opinion here but ...neither has gotten their way. Obama certainly did not and he had to compromise regardless of what conservatives believe. Use the Post office as an example. we could automate our way to mail deliver 2 times a week but postal unions and congressmen in districts wont allow it , both because they want the union support. BUT... do you really 'EVER" receive anything in the mail of importance? That program could be cut by 70 percent but its not. THAT is the result of compromise. Almost all of federal and local government is run just like the post office. Its bloated, inefficient and high labor intensity. Any company with a competitor would collapse under this model. I get my CPAs bill. Is that important? I thought you just did everything at the H&R Block kiosk at Walmart. |
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