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Post by maury77 on Apr 12, 2017 23:01:35 GMT -5
Trades: Jets & Browns - Browns have amassed a surplus of picks and use that to select the top player in the draft and possibly the top QB in the draft. We need so much help that it's time we (finally) trade down and amass picks in a draft that is not loaded with blue chippers but has a ton of very solid prospects throughout the first 3-4 rounds. Jets receive: Browns 1st round pick (pick 12) Browns 2nd round pick (pick 52 overall) Browns receive: Jets 1st round pick (pick 6) Jets & Broncos - I don't think there is a shot in hell that the Jets are getting anything better than a 3rd for Sheldon. Jets receive - Broncos pick 101 (3rd round comp pick) Broncos receive - Sheldon Richardson (who is ecstatic to move to a state where marijuana is legalized) So I used the draft tek 7 round mock draft and limited myself to players available at each of the Jets picks. www.drafttek.com/2017-NFL-Mock-Draft-Round2.asp1st round pick (12) - Mike Williams WR (Clemson) I considered Deshaun Watson here, but I ultimately passed. I wouldn't mind picking Watson, but I think he is going to need time and support, neither of which the Jets can offer in the short term. O.J. Howard was a strong consideration here, but I decided to go with Williams. Howard just doesn't have the production (so far) that Williams. More importantly, I think it's a deeper TE class than WR class, so I felt I could pickup a TE further down in the draft. Williams reminds me of a young Brandon Marshall. The only time Hackenberg ever had success was when throwing to a WR (Allen Robinson) who had a huge catch radius, so maybe Williams can haul in some of Hack's errant passes. 2nd round pick (39) - Budda Baker S (University of Washington) This was another tough selection. Tre White from LSU was a consideration here, but he is a little shorter than I like and its a deep CB class. I also considered Carl Lawson here, but his injury history concerns me. Ultimately, I just think Baker is a damn good football player who is versatile and fills a weakness on the team. 2nd round pick (from CLE) (52) - Antonio Garcia T (Troy) This was very tough again. I actually typed our Cordrea Tankersley's name, but decided to go with Garcia due to the depth at CB. Jets have not used a pick in the first 2 rounds on OL since Vlad the Impaler. Kelvin Beachum is a short term solution at LT. I think Garcia, with a year in an NFL training and eating regimen, can fill out a little bit and improve his strength. His athleticism is very nice and I think this kid could be out LT for 5-10 years if we give him some time. 3rd Round Pick (70) Akhello Witherspoon CB (Colorado) This pick came down to Cam Sutton, Dorian Johnson or Akhello Witherspoon to me. I think Witherspoon is very intriguing. Pre-med student, so I'm guessing he is smart and a hard worker. Only played 1 year of high school football and is still developing. Started at a JUCO and had a big growth spurt in college. He led the nation with 21 PDs and has good ball skills. Measured in at 6'3" at the combine, ran 4.45 and jumped 40". This kid's best football is still ahead of him. 3rd Round Pick (101) Joe Mixon RB (Oklahoma) I don't know that Maccagnan has the balls to make this pick, but I love Mixon. I think he's the 3rd best back in the draft (ahead of McCaffery) and he reminds me a lot of Le'Veon Bell. 3rd Round Pick (107) Isaac Asiata G/C (Utah) Jets beef up the line again. Asiata would be a future starter at G or C. 5th Round Pick (150) Jonnu Smith TE (FIU) Jets finally pick at TE and Paradis exhales. Smith is a small school player who had a big Senior Bowl and blew up the combine. Smith has the size to play in line and the athleticism to get downfield. 6th Round Pick (191) TJ Logan RB (North Carolina) small, blazing fast RB who will help as a returner 7th Round Pick (224) Jojo Mathis LB/DE (Washington) Pass rusher who was having a good season and then got hurt. |
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Apr 13, 2017 5:25:40 GMT -5
  Pretty much a perfect draft for me. 1) Williams gives our young QBs a big target now that we don't have Marshall. Some people are worried about his speed, but he looks like the next Alshon Jeffery. He also improved every year in college. Grade A 2) Baker is a hell of a player, and a leader. His versatility would help our defense a ton. He'd also allow us to use Pryor properly. Grade A+ 3) Garcia has huge upside. He's a little light in the pants, like Brick was coming out, but he's a good athlete and has a mean streak. Grade A+ 4) Witherspoon is one of my favorite CBs in the draft. His coverage is amazing. The only thing is he's slightly soft, but I don't really care since he's a CB. Grade A 5) Mixon I'm not the biggest fan of. I love his talent, but question his character. However, he might be worth the risk in the 3rd. Grade B/B+ (would be an A if it wasn't for character concerns. However, he wouldn't make it to the 3rd if he didn't have them) 6) Asiata is another underrated player. He's tough as nails and takes it to the defender every play. His versatility makes him a steal. Grade A 7) Smith in a normal draft would go much higher, but this draft is absolutely stacked at the TE position. My one real knock on him is that his a little bit of a body catcher. Grade A 8) Logan won't do much between the tackles, but he's explosive in space and is a great returner. Grade A- 9) Mathis will at least be good depth and was an underrated player on a stack Washington defense. Grade A |
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Post by crossfire on Apr 13, 2017 5:31:57 GMT -5
I personally think Mixon is too damn good to slide to the third round. Somebody will have the balls to overlook any character issues and grab him before then.
I like the idea of trading back and IF he was still there, Williams would be a nice grab at 12.
I hate to agree with you about Richardson. In my mind, I know this guy can be a steal for somebody if they can pull his head out of his ass because he's got the talent. Knew we would never get a first rounder for him but was hoping for a second. If Mac gets a second for him, I will applaud him.
Well.... unless we use that pick to reach for a player in the second round like we have done so many times before.
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Apr 13, 2017 6:21:06 GMT -5
I personally think Mixon is too damn good to slide to the third round. Somebody will have the balls to overlook any character issues and grab him before then. I like the idea of trading back and IF he was still there, Williams would be a nice grab at 12. I hate to agree with you about Richardson. In my mind, I know this guy can be a steal for somebody if they can pull his head out of his ass because he's got the talent. Knew we would never get a first rounder for him but was hoping for a second. If Mac gets a second for him, I will applaud him. Well.... unless we use that pick to reach for a player in the second round like we have done so many times before. I think a sleeper team for Sheldon is the Jaguars. Idzik is assistant to their GM and he's the one who drafted Sheldon. The Jags also have 51.9 mil in cap space so they can afford Sheldon's 8 mil this year and next contract if he turns it around. They also play a 4-3 and can move him inside next to Malik Jackson wear he'd be a beast. Hell I'd even toss in Pryor with Sheldon if we can get their 2nd. This draft is deep at S so I wouldn't be worried about replacing him. |
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Post by maury77 on Apr 13, 2017 6:37:52 GMT -5
Thanks man, it took me a while to work on this one.
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Post by crossfire on Apr 13, 2017 7:03:22 GMT -5
I personally think Mixon is too damn good to slide to the third round. Somebody will have the balls to overlook any character issues and grab him before then. I like the idea of trading back and IF he was still there, Williams would be a nice grab at 12. I hate to agree with you about Richardson. In my mind, I know this guy can be a steal for somebody if they can pull his head out of his ass because he's got the talent. Knew we would never get a first rounder for him but was hoping for a second. If Mac gets a second for him, I will applaud him. Well.... unless we use that pick to reach for a player in the second round like we have done so many times before. I think a sleeper team for Sheldon is the Jaguars. Idzik is assistant to their GM and he's the one who drafted Sheldon. The Jags also have 51.9 mil in cap space so they can afford Sheldon's 8 mil this year and next contract if he turns it around. They also play a 4-3 and can move him inside next to Malik Jackson wear he'd be a beast. Hell I'd even toss in Pryor with Sheldon if we can get their 2nd. This draft is deep at S so I wouldn't be worried about replacing him. The whole Richardson thing sucks because when he came in, he played hard and said all the right things. I really liked the guy and envisioned him as a Jet for his career. Then he seemed to turn into an asshole. I am hoping that some team craves him enough to give us a second round pick but I'm not betting on it. |
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Apr 13, 2017 7:10:59 GMT -5
The whole Richardson thing sucks because when he came in, he played hard and said all the right things. I really liked the guy and envisioned him as a Jet for his career. Then he seemed to turn into an asshole. I am hoping that some team craves him enough to give us a second round pick but I'm not betting on it. Agreed. I loved him when we first got him and the passion he played with. However, I'm not surprised he turned out this way. After his 2nd year some of his quotes and interviews showed how arrogant he is. I didn't think he'd necessarily get in trouble, but I knew he'd be a pain to sign. I doubt he'll want whatever meager contract we offer him, because he thinks he's the best and will get more in FA. That's why we need to trade him. If he had a couple more years on his contract I could maybe see a team giving up a mid to late 2nd, but only having 1 year left kills what little trade value he has left. |
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Post by Lithfan on Apr 13, 2017 7:26:11 GMT -5
I love the draft, Maury. I am not a big fan on Fanspeak, though, because I think most of their drafts are too easy -- too many guys seem to drop too low. I am not a big fan of Mixon (due to the off field issues) but could not complain at 101. Guys like Witherspoon, Smith, Mathis -- I doubt they make it to where you picked them, but all great value at those spots.
As for Sheldon, I would be ecstatic with any day 2 pick. I have resigned myself to the fact that we likely get back a 4th for him, and I would be willing to take something lower than that. For the last two years, we have never figured out how to use him with Mo & Leo. And I don't but the argument that you can't trade him for a 4th or 5th because we would get a comp 3 if he walked. There is not guarantee that we get a comp pick for him at all. If we do not have a net loss in free agency next season, then we get nothing. Even if we trade him for a 4, it also clears $8MM cap space that can be carried over to next season. If I can move him for a 4 and $8MM cap, I do it.
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Apr 13, 2017 7:41:19 GMT -5
As for Sheldon, I would be ecstatic with any day 2 pick. I have resigned myself to the fact that we likely get back a 4th for him, and I would be willing to take something lower than that. For the last two years, we have never figured out how to use him with Mo & Leo. And I don't but the argument that you can't trade him for a 4th or 5th because we would get a comp 3 if he walked. There is not guarantee that we get a comp pick for him at all. If we do not have a net loss in free agency next season, then we get nothing. Even if we trade him for a 4, it also clears $8MM cap space that can be carried over to next season. If I can move him for a 4 and $8MM cap, I do it. This is also why I'd trade him. We're going to have a lot of cap space next year so it might cancel out any compensation for Richardson. Also a 4th in a deep draft is worth more than a late 3rd two years from now. |
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Post by Stark on Apr 13, 2017 8:24:46 GMT -5
Just my opinion, i don't think the Browns and Jets trade... If the Browns are going to trade up they probably go to JAX or TN to get ahead of the JETS. If the player the JETS love is at 6 they won't move back if they feel that is the player they have to have. I just don't see it happening this way.... There is always the chance that CLE and NYJ have already worked a deal if
"X" player is not on the board that the JETS want, or maybe the JETS really don't mind moving back. I just think its more likely the Browns would jump us to take the QB (I am assuming that is why they would trade up from 12).
However, Good job, nice draft. I think Mixon will be gone by then.
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Apr 13, 2017 8:40:00 GMT -5
Just my opinion, i don't think the Browns and Jets trade... If the Browns are going to trade up they probably go to JAX or TN to get ahead of the JETS. If the player the JETS love is at 6 they won't move back if they feel that is the player they have to have. I just don't see it happening this way.... There is always the chance that CLE and NYJ have already worked a deal if "X" player is not on the board that the JETS want, or maybe the JETS really don't mind moving back. I just think its more likely the Browns would jump us to take the QB (I am assuming that is why they would trade up from 12). However, Good job, nice draft. I think Mixon will be gone by then. I've seen a lot of Browns fans say that would love to trade back up for Jonathan Allen and pair him with Myles Garrett. I think there is a good chance he's there at #6 with the rumors about his shoulders. He's a player the Jets don't need and the Bengals would probably take him at #9. If that happens that means Fournette and Adams are most likely gone and I'd expect us to look to trade back. |
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Post by MDL JET on Apr 13, 2017 9:20:03 GMT -5
I personally think Mixon is too damn good to slide to the third round. Somebody will have the balls to overlook any character issues and grab him before then. I like the idea of trading back and IF he was still there, Williams would be a nice grab at 12. I hate to agree with you about Richardson. In my mind, I know this guy can be a steal for somebody if they can pull his head out of his ass because he's got the talent. Knew we would never get a first rounder for him but was hoping for a second. If Mac gets a second for him, I will applaud him. Well.... unless we use that pick to reach for a player in the second round like we have done so many times before. Idzik is assistant to their GM and he's the one who drafted Sheldon. The Jags also have 51.9 mil in cap space so they can afford Sheldon's 8 mil this year and next contract if he turns it around. They also play a 4-3 and can move him inside next to Malik Jackson wear he'd be a beast. Hell I'd even toss in Pryor with Sheldon if we can get their 2nd. This draft is deep at S so I wouldn't be worried about replacing him. Even with Coughlin running the show? Feel like Sheldon is the kinda guy he would stay away from. I would think a team that takes chances on players like the Seahawks, would throw the Jets a bone. Hell, they're trying out Dion Jordan...why not throw us a late pick for a guy that actually does something on the field. Maybe the Cowboys still come back into play. |
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Apr 13, 2017 9:34:54 GMT -5
Even with Coughlin running the show? Feel like Sheldon is the kinda guy he would stay away from. I would think a team that takes chances on players like the Seahawks, would throw the Jets a bone. Hell, they're trying out Dion Jordan...why not throw us a late pick for a guy that actually does something on the field. Maybe the Cowboys still come back into play. I believe the Seahawks only have around 8.4 million left in cap space which they need to sign their draft picks. A team would probably need around 20 million free right now to feel comfortable taking on Richardson's 8 million this year. The top 4 teams currently with the most cap space are the 49ers 72.8 mil, Browns 61 mil, Jags 51.9 mil, Titans 37.3 mil. With 51.9 million in cap space I could see them giving up a 3rd or 4th for Sheldon. He only has 1 more year left on his rookie deal so he'll probably be on his best behavior because he wants to get paid. If he fucks up Coughlin can kick his ass to the curb next year. Also the Cowboys have the least amount of cap space available. Romo retiring this year will only save them 5.1 mil this year. |
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Post by crossfire on Apr 13, 2017 9:43:25 GMT -5
There are several teams that could use a player like Richardson. Our best hope is that a few of them wasn't him and it ups the ante a bit. The issue obviously is his attitude, his current contract and his upcoming contract. I think Mac overplayed his hand last season by asking for too much and now we will likely get too little.
But I think Richardson, for the Jets, is addition by subtraction.
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Post by Paradis on Apr 13, 2017 10:20:14 GMT -5
I want to shower you in praise, but i'm going to have to be the debbie downer  I've got a lot of beef in this draft. I like the trades, but in my defense, few players in your draft appear on my top 5 lists of prospects i like. 1-- Obviously Mike Williams is A+... i would almost cash out emotionally with that pick alone 2-- HATE the Baker pick D-... for a number of reasons. A)he's nothing special, in fact i question his instincts. He's pushed around out of position all the time when he's not bowling down hill. B)Everytime i've seen him, he's useless trying to take down a player at the second level. I have no idea why he's been given this "early 2nd round tender" when there's so many better FS prospects later in the draft. I jsut revisited USC and Colorado before posting this, and yawned. 2--Not a fan of Garcia in the 2nd. C-. Lack of options have pushed him way too high IMO. I'm not even sure he's a Tackle in the NFL. He didn't blow anyone in senior bowl if memory recalls. If we're gonna take a small school tackle that early, he needs to be bullet proof. 3-- Can't speak to the CB, so i'll take your word for it. 3-- No problem with Mixon at this spot, obviously. A+ 3-- Asiata; sure. B 5-- I wish i liked Smith, but there's something that feels incredibly Dorin Dickerson about him C+. His size is awkward, and I don't know what to make of him. He's a big question mark to me, in a class where there's lots of safer picks 6-- meh, not my fave, but we already got Mixon 7-- unknown to me. So... I dunno. Williams, Mixon and Asiata make it easy to like or be at peace with. but with all those picks, I don't like the filler material. Baker and Garcia are classic Jets "no returns on investment in the 2nd" picks IMO |
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