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Post by DDNYjets on Jul 28, 2017 11:30:54 GMT -5
You're right. They just need to enforce their guidelines to do that. Why do you reset this? This doesn't pose a problem; why the insinuation that it does?  ? I laughed when I heard that "the NY Yankees of Military Forces" need $60MIL in viagra...and there was another figure for Cialis? $8MIL for the few trans that don't wash out; and deserve what's in their current contract. BTW, I have yet to see an online petition, or Change.org whine about "trans mistreatment" in the military. That says volumes of the heart of those trans men and women determined to be good soldiers. jmo You must have mistaken my position. The cost issue is not the primary issue for me. I am sure many trans are great people that want nothing but the best for their country. But if 40% of Irish Catholics had suicidal thoughts (number is probably higher  ) I would question whether military service is an appropriate career for them. I think in time we will learn there has been a lot of "advocate research" that has muddied the science on this issue. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 11:32:42 GMT -5
From what I hear and see from transitioned soldiers and officers is that the skill-set is what the Forces need and want, and will pay for. I think some went private sector to transition. It was 2 days ago.
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Post by bxjetfan on Jul 28, 2017 11:34:16 GMT -5
It's not about trans people it's about the mission. I read an article where these folks won't be deployable for up to 75% on a 4 year enlistment because of pre and post op medical care. That's not acceptable. I had a guy in my unit who's wife left him. He got kicked out because he wasn't deployable and he was the only one that could watch his kids. Well, source that - I don't think that is true. They kicked out for transitioning; how does the Army offer SRS to contracted soldiers? The Army sounds like it got played, if your story is true. Go do your own homework. Go to any trans website and see what they recommend for a course of therapy and add it up. 2 years of counseling, followed by months of hormone replacement therapy, then the surgery,then a year of post op care. By the way, the post op care in Male to female involves sticking A dildo into your inverted penis up to five times a day so your new vagina doesn't close up. Read testimonies from people that have undergone the procedure. They will tell you they were useless during that time. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 11:36:48 GMT -5
Well, source that - I don't think that is true. They kicked out for transitioning; how does the Army offer SRS to contracted soldiers? The Army sounds like it got played, if your story is true. Go do your own homework. Go to any trans website and see what they recommend for a course of therapy and add it up. 2 years of counseling, followed by months of hormone replacement therapy, then the surgery,then a year of post op care. By the way, the post op care in Male to female involves sticking A dildo into your inverted penis up to five times a day so your new vagina doesn't close up. Read testimonies from people that have undergone the procedure. They will tell you they were useless during that time. Keep the context simple, please. How does the Army pay contracted soldiers to transition? Can anybody explain? |
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Post by bxjetfan on Jul 28, 2017 11:41:29 GMT -5
You're a fucking deuschebag. Do you know what PTSD is? Do you have any idea of the sacrifices these soldiers make to keep America safe? These guys get so loaded up on opiates and anti psychotic drugs to deal with the shit they've seen and done its not a shock that they might need some help to perform in the bedroom. Or would you deny them and their wives this small comfort. Jane Stop This Crazy THing I didn't say it's worth/not worth the cost. I was putting that Viagra on Trump's chest; on his neck. He's a bullshitter. EDIT: this is dumb. Thanks Trump. Brother on brother nastiness. Youse guise get me so madddd Don't backpedal. You laughed when you read about viagra. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 11:45:46 GMT -5
Jane Stop This Crazy THing I didn't say it's worth/not worth the cost. I was putting that Viagra on Trump's chest; on his neck. He's a bullshitter. EDIT: this is dumb. Thanks Trump. Brother on brother nastiness. Youse guise get me so madddd Don't backpedal. You laughed when you read about viagra. Because of context! The FAKENEWS. It all said these ladyboys need special treatment...but MSNBC then ran the Viagra numbers. common |
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Post by bxjetfan on Jul 28, 2017 11:47:56 GMT -5
Go do your own homework. Go to any trans website and see what they recommend for a course of therapy and add it up. 2 years of counseling, followed by months of hormone replacement therapy, then the surgery,then a year of post op care. By the way, the post op care in Male to female involves sticking A dildo into your inverted penis up to five times a day so your new vagina doesn't close up. Read testimonies from people that have undergone the procedure. They will tell you they were useless during that time. Keep the context simple, please. How does the Army pay contracted soldiers to transition? Can anybody explain? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 11:50:15 GMT -5
There was a guy that enlisted in 2003-2004; he was a good all around athlete; weekend warrior at the ball courts. His Humvee got hit; he got hit in the head, back home, his personality would oscillate; hard. He'd drift off; almost fully gone. I think of my friend Victor, and his easy laugh, whenever we discuss the military.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 11:53:22 GMT -5
Thanks I see what you mean. A hack job to begin with(LOLPUN); these rules need to be refined. Sounds like a psychologist is telling the Army what it needs. |
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Post by bxjetfan on Jul 28, 2017 11:59:31 GMT -5
Go do your own homework. Go to any trans website and see what they recommend for a course of therapy and add it up. 2 years of counseling, followed by months of hormone replacement therapy, then the surgery,then a year of post op care. By the way, the post op care in Male to female involves sticking A dildo into your inverted penis up to five times a day so your new vagina doesn't close up. Read testimonies from people that have undergone the procedure. They will tell you they were useless during that time. Keep the context simple, please. How does the Army pay contracted soldiers to transition? Can anybody explain? Address my point please. I showed you the math on why these people won't be deployable for extended periods of time. The military routinely denies enlistment for a variety of reasons and kicks people out all the time because they aren't deployable. Why are trans people any different? |
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Post by bxjetfan on Jul 28, 2017 12:02:12 GMT -5
Thanks I see what you mean. A hack job to begin with(LOLPUN); these rules need to be refined. Sounds like a psychologist is telling the Army what it needs. They don't need to be refined, these people need to be kicked out. They can't do the job they signed up to do. It happens all the time in the military. Why are trans people special? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 15:04:26 GMT -5
Keep the context simple, please. How does the Army pay contracted soldiers to transition? Can anybody explain? Address my point please. I showed you the math on why these people won't be deployable for extended periods of time. The military routinely denies enlistment for a variety of reasons and kicks people out all the time because they aren't deployable. Why are trans people any different? I have no idea; I didn't know requirements had changed drastically. But this is what I think: these rules need to be refined. Sounds like a psychologist is telling the Army what it needs. I watched a Seargent Major speak; she had a skill set strong enough that she was training French troops (ok ok ok) to "hold" one of the northern provinces in Afghanistan (it wasn't Kandahar). Anyway I thought she had stepped into the private sector years ago to complete her transition; and they called her back; with her skill set. Each trans harped on an Honorable Disharge as the sole purpose for polishing how they served. Many were depressed but knew there was an end. Now it's all new. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 15:11:43 GMT -5
Thanks I see what you mean. A hack job to begin with(LOLPUN); these rules need to be refined. Sounds like a psychologist is telling the Army what it needs. They don't need to be refined, these people need to be kicked out. They can't do the job they signed up to do. It happens all the time in the military. Why are trans people special? Because they face long odds in society? Half commit suicide, or attempt it. I think the Army is willing to help trans IF they can bring a skill set that is valued. Right now, help = surgeries; hormones; therapists. They will have to refine this process. |
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Post by bxjetfan on Jul 28, 2017 15:23:09 GMT -5
Address my point please. I showed you the math on why these people won't be deployable for extended periods of time. The military routinely denies enlistment for a variety of reasons and kicks people out all the time because they aren't deployable. Why are trans people any different? I have no idea; I didn't know requirements had changed drastically. But this is what I think: these rules need to be refined. Sounds like a psychologist is telling the Army what it needs. I watched a Seargent Major speak; she had a skill set strong enough that she was training French troops (ok ok ok) to "hold" one of the northern provinces in Afghanistan (it wasn't Kandahar). Anyway I thought she had stepped into the private sector years ago to complete her transition; and they called her back; with her skill set. Each trans harped on an Honorable Disharge as the sole purpose for polishing how they served. Many were depressed but knew there was an end. Now it's all new. What requirements have changed? If you had a pre existing condition that wouldn't allow you to fulfill your commitment then you couldn't enlist. Being trans is a pre existing condition right? So Obama just carved out an exception to cater to the T's. Now if you want to talk about post op trans people enlisting it's a different conversation, but that's not the one we are having. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 15:25:56 GMT -5
I have no idea; I didn't know requirements had changed drastically. But this is what I think: I watched a Seargent Major speak; she had a skill set strong enough that she was training French troops (ok ok ok) to "hold" one of the northern provinces in Afghanistan (it wasn't Kandahar). Anyway I thought she had stepped into the private sector years ago to complete her transition; and they called her back; with her skill set. Each trans harped on an Honorable Disharge as the sole purpose for polishing how they served. Many were depressed but knew there was an end. Now it's all new. What requirements have changed? If you had a pre existing condition that wouldn't allow you to fulfill your commitment then you couldn't enlist. Being trans is a pre existing condition right? So Obama just carved out an exception to cater to the T's. Now if you want to talk about post op trans people enlisting it's a different conversation, but that's not the one we are having. No it is not a "pre-existing condition", as applies elsewhere. Try again |
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