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Post by bxjetfan on Aug 16, 2017 15:53:19 GMT -5
The Civil War tore this country apart. Perhaps some will look at a statue of Robert E Lee and pine for the old days. Others will look at it and see something different. History should not be shaped by those who come later. Put everything out there and let people make their own decisions. I never understood countries trying to hide parts of their past that were shameful. It is what it is, accept it, learn from it, and get better. As fucked up as it is now with it's globalist nonsense, Germany has let most WWII concentration camps stand as museums/reminders and has banned the nazi salute. And here we are tearing down statues of people who existed almost 100+ years before WWII. That's my point. All Germans know what they did now and can't deny it happened. It's like a warning to the world. Yet you still have Turkey denying the Armenian genocide and the Japanese denying the atrocities they committed in WWII. The people of those countries think that they aren't capable of terrible things and it opens the door for them to happen again because they won't guard against it.
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Post by Trades on Aug 16, 2017 16:02:39 GMT -5
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Post by DDNYjets on Aug 16, 2017 16:02:55 GMT -5
As fucked up as it is now with it's globalist nonsense, Germany has let most WWII concentration camps stand as museums/reminders and has banned the nazi salute. And here we are tearing down statues of people who existed almost 100+ years before WWII. That's my point. All Germans know what they did now and can't deny it happened. It's like a warning to the world. Yet you still have Turkey denying the Armenian genocide and the Japanese denying the atrocities they committed in WWII. The people of those countries think that they aren't capable of terrible things and it opens the door for them to happen again because they won't guard against it. Sanitizing history. I dont really mind the Civil War statues going away until they start to fuck with Founders and past Presidents. And that is where this is heading. They are insatiable. That is what the people sticking up for them don't understand. They can and will eat their own. They have already.
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Post by bxjetfan on Aug 16, 2017 20:18:48 GMT -5
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Post by chadp on Aug 16, 2017 22:06:52 GMT -5
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Post by 32Green on Aug 16, 2017 22:09:28 GMT -5
Interesting - no thread, still?? Almost like people are afraid of discussing it? Anyways, some observations: 1. Southerners should not have been allowed to keep or build statues of Confederate war "heroes". They lost. Period. Move on. 2. "White nationalists" is now equated to Nazis. BLM is civil rights, La Raza is civil rights? BULLSHIT 3. I was thinking "when do we start erasing the Founding Fathers from public life because of owning slaves, and lo and behold, some knucklehead is already calling Washington and Andrew Jackson statues to be removed from "their" community park. "THEIR"?! WTF - you mean "taxpayer's" park dipshits. 4. The woman who died was listed as having the following Facebook post a day after the election: "If you're not outraged by this (the election), you're not paying attention". Hmmmm...innocent protester or rabid anti-Trump, ANTIFA agitator? 5. Media conveniently ignoring alt-left goons carrying weapons to a protest, but crucify Trump for all of his comments. Looks like my prediction of American Civil War II within 50 years is coming true. Possibly sooner. comments? 1. Agree. But we also have statues of Lenin and Stalin in this country. Both who killed more people than the Confederacy and Nazis combined. 2. Agree. Ditto for "alt right". The "alt right" died on Saturday. I feel no sorrow for any white nationalist so you can equate them to the devil. But I do see the double-standard and think people will regret supporting Antifa. 3. Agree. The erasure of our founders will happen in our life time. I predict the process begins within the decade. 4. She is entitled to her opinion. And regardless of her opinion she should never be subjected to violence. 5. And some prominent Republicans. Not sure if this is naivety towards the dangers of Antifa or Trump Derangement Syndrome. Probably a bit of both. Antifa has more power than the KKK or Neo Nazis IMO bc they have much better funding. There wont be a Civil War. End of the day the white nationalists planned that event for months and all they got was a couple hundred to show up. They are irrelevant. There aren't even on the fringes of society, they are the edge of the fringe. The media has done more for their promotion that any real supremacist could every hope to achieve. I think the majority of people understand this. Great post. Agree 100%. All I can add is the old cliche'd "those who forget history are destined to repeat it"...and the classic, prescient George Orwell take on all of this in 1984.
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Post by DDNYjets on Aug 17, 2017 7:43:23 GMT -5
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Post by Raoul Duke on Aug 17, 2017 7:59:18 GMT -5
^ Because his heart was in a good place..at first.
Why the fuck is there a Lenin statue in the US? Jeebus
(checks google if there isn't one in his country)
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Post by Raoul Duke on Aug 17, 2017 8:02:18 GMT -5
LOLZ we do. There was a crazy far left mayor in Montpellier south of france ordered statues of Lenin and Mao.
baghead
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Aug 17, 2017 8:55:05 GMT -5
Interesting - no thread, still?? Almost like people are afraid of discussing it? Anyways, some observations: 1. Southerners should not have been allowed to keep or build statues of Confederate war "heroes". They lost. Period. Move on. 2. "White nationalists" is now equated to Nazis. BLM is civil rights, La Raza is civil rights? BULLSHIT 3. I was thinking "when do we start erasing the Founding Fathers from public life because of owning slaves, and lo and behold, some knucklehead is already calling Washington and Andrew Jackson statues to be removed from "their" community park. "THEIR"?! WTF - you mean "taxpayer's" park dipshits. 4. The woman who died was listed as having the following Facebook post a day after the election: "If you're not outraged by this (the election), you're not paying attention". Hmmmm...innocent protester or rabid anti-Trump, ANTIFA agitator? 5. Media conveniently ignoring alt-left goons carrying weapons to a protest, but crucify Trump for all of his comments. Looks like my prediction of American Civil War II within 50 years is coming true. Possibly sooner. comments? 1. My take on it is that if local and state governments at the time wanted to to erect statues, Im fine with it. Lincolns whole thing was to not come down hard on the CSA after the war in order to reconcile. Then again, I look at them as just statues, just part of history, and dont get offended. 2. Agreed 100% 3. Agreed. Its a slippery slope. When do they start blowing up Mt Rushmore? 4. Eh... I know a few people on Facebook that posted the same or similar right after the election. They're not rabid agitators in the least, just emotional and shocked and exercising their free speech on social media. 5. Agreed 100% - theres certainly a double standard, and has been for some time. Antifa gets a pass for violence where others dont. Violent protest on either side is never ok.
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Aug 17, 2017 8:56:08 GMT -5
Best line I heard so far is something like "why was the south getting participation trophies back then anyway?"
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Aug 17, 2017 9:08:46 GMT -5
If my local tax dollars went to that nonsense, Id be voting out whoever made the decision to build that.
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Post by DDNYjets on Aug 17, 2017 9:42:06 GMT -5
If my local tax dollars went to that nonsense, Id be voting out whoever made the decision to build that. The point is that this is going to lead to a tit for tat. And where does it end? Are books and movies next? Trump's point is hard to defend given the current situation and everyone just wanting to hug and be told everything is going to be fine. But as poor as he is communicating his point right now I think he is right. Condoleeza Rice was asked about this a few months ago and she said it is wrong to sanitize history. I agree. You can't unfollow real life. You have people threatening to dig up bodies of generals and soldiers. Its fucking madness.
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Post by Trades on Aug 17, 2017 9:45:12 GMT -5
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Post by DDNYjets on Aug 17, 2017 9:56:21 GMT -5
^ Because his heart was in a good place..at first. Why the fuck is there a Lenin statue in the US? Jeebus (checks google if there isn't one in his country) Because we have a delicate balance federal supremacy and state's rights. So even though we fought wars against commies and almost joined them in blowing up the world we let the commies in Seattle have their statue to worship. Same reason why we let the traitors in the South have theirs. Right now only one of those ideologies is fashionable, especially among those that control academia and media in this country, despite causing just as much harm to the world as the other. And please dont confuse that with me suggesting the other should be fashionable bc it should not be.
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