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Post by adpz on Feb 18, 2019 19:32:27 GMT -5
If the law is exploitable you can’t pretend only the Dems would do it. Well I am actually curious on your take about the core issue.... Because when you strip away the voting issues, and the Dem/Rep angle - you are left with what I would argue is actually bad law - because rather than enforce rights (for example, voting is not mandatory in California) it undermines and dilutes the value of legitimate voting while inviting gaming of the system. There is a reason why what California allows is an illegal voting practice in 49 other states and virtually every country. The only places you will find cars dropping off bins of ballots now is notoriously corrupt countries -- and California. Which is a bit chicken-or-egg from where I am sitting. There is a long, storied tradition of game-able systems inviting corruption. So, again - I don't live in California either - but I still have an opinion that it is a terrible sort of law to have passed. Do you agree broadly with me - or do you care to defend California's policy instead? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 19:39:27 GMT -5
If the law is exploitable you can’t pretend only the Dems would do it. Well I am actually curious on your take about the core issue.... Because when you strip away the voting issues, and the Dem/Rep angle - you are left with what I would argue is actually bad law - because rather than enforce rights (for example, voting is not mandatory in California) it undermines and dilutes the value of legitimate voting while inviting gaming of the system. There is a reason why what California allows is an illegal voting practice in 49 other states and virtually every country. The only places you will find cars dropping off bins of ballots now is notoriously corrupt countries -- and California. Which is a bit chicken-or-egg from where I am sitting. There is a long, storied tradition of game-able systems inviting corruption. So, again - I don't live in California either - but I still have an opinion that it is a terrible sort of law to have passed. Do you agree broadly with me - or do you care to defend California's policy instead? If I remember the law you are referring to it is illegal for PAC’s and the like to collect and deliver absentee ballots. Like a lot of the laws when they are passed they meant well but it was a bad law. How do you determine if a voter who is voting is not casting a legitimate vote? |
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Post by adpz on Feb 18, 2019 20:30:21 GMT -5
How do you determine if a voter who is voting is not casting a legitimate vote? You make them show up at the polls with ID:) It seems you're okay with California's voting policy. Do you think it would be a good idea to extend to your state? Or all states? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 20:34:00 GMT -5
How do you determine if a voter who is voting is not casting a legitimate vote? You make them show up at the polls with ID:) It seems you're okay with California's voting policy. Do you think it would be a good idea to extend to your state? Or all states? You want to abolish absentee ballots? |
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Post by adpz on Feb 18, 2019 20:38:49 GMT -5
You make them show up at the polls with ID:) It seems you're okay with California's voting policy. Do you think it would be a good idea to extend to your state? Or all states? You want to abolish absentee ballots? No, I want them treated the way we do in 49 states. Don’t you? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 20:44:39 GMT -5
You want to abolish absentee ballots? No, I want them treated the way we do in 49 states. Don’t you? I don’t know what the other states have on the books for laws. I want people to vote legally. |
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Post by adpz on Feb 18, 2019 22:22:48 GMT -5
I don’t know what the other states have on the books for laws. I want people to vote legally. I don't think the California law is defensible in any way, with any grey area. You're obviously comfortable with it and for once I think your equivocation here speaks louder than you'd intend it to. |
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Post by Trades on Feb 19, 2019 7:15:17 GMT -5
I don’t know what the other states have on the books for laws. I want people to vote legally. I don't think the California law is defensible in any way, with any grey area. You're obviously comfortable with it and for once I think your equivocation here speaks louder than you'd intend it to. He is obviously mind controlled by the government his excuse for everything except illegal immigration is "is it legal". |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 7:55:40 GMT -5
I don’t know what the other states have on the books for laws. I want people to vote legally. I don't think the California law is defensible in any way, with any grey area. You're obviously comfortable with it and for once I think your equivocation here speaks louder than you'd intend it to. You have your own interpretation of the law and blindfully make assumptions about what the other 49 state do or do not currently have. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 7:57:32 GMT -5
I don't think the California law is defensible in any way, with any grey area. You're obviously comfortable with it and for once I think your equivocation here speaks louder than you'd intend it to. He is obviously mind controlled by the government his excuse for everything except illegal immigration is "is it legal". I live in reality, feel free to join it. Understanding the law(s) is not about making assumptions. |
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Post by Jets Things on Feb 19, 2019 8:28:13 GMT -5
He is obviously mind controlled by the government his excuse for everything except illegal immigration is "is it legal". , feel free to join it. Understanding the law(s) is not about making assumptions. Uh huh. Probably believe Jussie Smollett because his story is "his truth," too. |
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Post by Trades on Feb 19, 2019 8:49:49 GMT -5
He is obviously mind controlled by the government his excuse for everything except illegal immigration is "is it legal". I live in reality, feel free to join it. Understanding the law(s) is not about making assumptions. Reality is I can have an opinion on a subject that is beyond "is it legal or not". |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 8:53:46 GMT -5
I live in reality, feel free to join it. Understanding the law(s) is not about making assumptions. Uh huh. Probably believe Jussie Smollett because his story is "his truth," too. If he lied he,should be arrested. Don’t really care about him and never heard of him before this fiasco. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 8:54:59 GMT -5
I live in reality, feel free to join it. Understanding the law(s) is not about making assumptions. Reality is I can have an opinion on a subject that is beyond "is it legal or not". When someone argues about the existing laws by making assumptions that’s not a problem? |
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Post by adpz on Feb 19, 2019 9:37:34 GMT -5
You have your own interpretation of the law and blindfully make assumptions about what the other 49 state do or do not currently have.
"I don't know - what's everyone else in the restaurant eating?"Obviously you don't need to know other states laws to have an opinion on the California law. But you prefer to argue instead of making arguments. Here's a (repeat) easy question: Would you like to see California's voting law extend to the state you live in? |
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