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Post by westcoastoffensive on Jan 30, 2020 2:57:34 GMT -5
I guess they feel they can shield more kids from violent crime; until they are "mature" enough. This is the group that has minimal parental guidance; they can't help acting out when put in a group of other youngsters. I have done volunteering, and I had to be ready for this type of disruption, as an assistant. To say they are ignorant is scraping the surface. Maybe scaring kids with proximity to the "big house", maybe these children can appreciate the firm hand of the juvenile justice system. To me, there is nothing worse than being ignorant and illiterate. I lean towards any possible remedy. What is proximity to the big house? They are putting shit head criminal "children" of 18-19 year old in Juvenile DC's instead of jail where they rightfully belong and that's gonna scare them straight? Am I missing something? We're talking about late teens who wanna shove guns in ppl faces, suckerpunch elderly women, roam in packs beating the shit out of random ppl.. right? Or what's this about Exactly. They think that, because they went to college as a stupid kid and came out adult with options, that those four years of guidance and structure make a big difference. I'm soft-headed enough to fall for it. |
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Post by westcoastoffensive on Jan 30, 2020 3:00:02 GMT -5
That word "coddled" signals to me that you aren't interested in this conversation. Let me back off; no offense. This issue is more lit, for me. Thanks for taking a swing. i wouldn't have asked if I didn't respect your intelligence. What is wrong with the word "coddled"? Everyone needs a safe space, no one understands that equality of opportunity isn't the same as equality of outcome and everyone should just be given everything. Free college, open borders, $15 minimum wage, rent control... If everyone thinks they are entitled to everything and no one tells them no that is coddling. Yes people have hard lives, yes we should do what we can to help people but we shouldn't keep moving the bar and give people an out just because they are under 20. There are repercussions for actions and I said if you could show me that there is any better results from juvenile detention/programs to get people to be productive members of society and stay out of trouble I would consider it I just doubt that an extra 2 years in a system that they have probably been in and out of for their teens would suddenly turn them around when they are 18 or 19. Check my answer above |
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Post by Trades on Jan 30, 2020 8:22:50 GMT -5
What is wrong with the word "coddled"? Everyone needs a safe space, no one understands that equality of opportunity isn't the same as equality of outcome and everyone should just be given everything. Free college, open borders, $15 minimum wage, rent control... If everyone thinks they are entitled to everything and no one tells them no that is coddling. Yes people have hard lives, yes we should do what we can to help people but we shouldn't keep moving the bar and give people an out just because they are under 20. There are repercussions for actions and I said if you could show me that there is any better results from juvenile detention/programs to get people to be productive members of society and stay out of trouble I would consider it I just doubt that an extra 2 years in a system that they have probably been in and out of for their teens would suddenly turn them around when they are 18 or 19. Check my answer above That wasn't an answer though. </edit> I want to add that I am asking these questions because I want to understand your side. Not having a discussion because you don't like a word is disappointing. |
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Post by quantum on Jan 30, 2020 9:12:44 GMT -5
if by some chance the 49ers win, how many leftturds will be willing to stand in piles of shit on the sidewalks? be funny tho - shit standing in shit  |
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Post by westcoastoffensive on Jan 30, 2020 13:07:52 GMT -5
That wasn't an answer though. </edit> I want to add that I am asking these questions because I want to understand your side. Not having a discussion because you don't like a word is disappointing. Here you go, Boss. * no one understands that equality of opportunity isn't the same as equality of outcome -> Juvy is full of these messages; bootstrapping is the only hope for these kids. SF built a more humane Juvy; a friend of mine, AA, was a visiting counselor. HE was really down on their chances because the effort then (20 years ago) wasn't making a dent. Not enough time for the "light to go on" was a theme. * Free college, open borders, $15 minimum wage, rent control ->These keywords are just... what scared young people want. It's all over social media. Has nothing to do with reshaping the Juvy system. * If everyone thinks they are entitled to everything and no one tells them no that is coddling. Yes people have hard lives, yes we should do what we can to help people but we shouldn't keep moving the bar and give people an out just because they are under 20. -> Agreed * There are repercussions for actions and I said if you could show me that there is any better results from juvenile detention/programs to get people to be productive members of society and stay out of trouble I would consider it -> So we are back to begging; begging for a chance. It could be a badly structured money pit; it could be a model around all 50 states. But there are enough trade jobs that the contractors et al could get involved with these growing adults out of juvy. That would be a home run, and it is happening around the Bay Area. * I just doubt that an extra 2 years in a system that they have probably been in and out of for their teens would suddenly turn them around when they are 18 or 19. -> The people that are driving this think that, because they went to college as a stupid kid and came out adult with options, that those four years of guidance and structure make a big difference. I'm soft-headed enough to fall for it. fin |
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Post by westcoastoffensive on Jan 30, 2020 13:11:02 GMT -5
if by some chance the 49ers win, how many leftturds will be willing to stand in piles of shit on the sidewalks? be funny tho - shit standing in shit You ding-dong; the people shitting in the streets couldn't tell Bernie Sanders from belt sanders. Meanie |
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Post by Trades on Jan 30, 2020 13:21:02 GMT -5
That wasn't an answer though. </edit> I want to add that I am asking these questions because I want to understand your side. Not having a discussion because you don't like a word is disappointing. Here you go, Boss. * no one understands that equality of opportunity isn't the same as equality of outcome -> Juvy is full of these messages; bootstrapping is the only hope for these kids. SF built a more humane Juvy; a friend of mine, AA, was a visiting counselor. HE was really down on their chances because the effort then (20 years ago) wasn't making a dent. Not enough time for the "light to go on" was a theme. * Free college, open borders, $15 minimum wage, rent control ->These keywords are just... what scared young people want. It's all over social media. Has nothing to do with reshaping the Juvy system. * If everyone thinks they are entitled to everything and no one tells them no that is coddling. Yes people have hard lives, yes we should do what we can to help people but we shouldn't keep moving the bar and give people an out just because they are under 20. -> Agreed * There are repercussions for actions and I said if you could show me that there is any better results from juvenile detention/programs to get people to be productive members of society and stay out of trouble I would consider it -> So we are back to begging; begging for a chance. It could be a badly structured money pit; it could be a model around all 50 states. But there are enough trade jobs that the contractors et al could get involved with these growing adults out of juvy. That would be a home run, and it is happening around the Bay Area. * I just doubt that an extra 2 years in a system that they have probably been in and out of for their teens would suddenly turn them around when they are 18 or 19. -> The people that are driving this think that, because they went to college as a stupid kid and came out adult with options, that those four years of guidance and structure make a big difference. I'm soft-headed enough to fall for it. fin Thanks for the reply. I would love to see a way to get people on the fringes to join society. I am just having trouble seeing how 2 more years would be beneficial. To me the adult correctional system needs to be fixed. Stop jailing marginal offenders with hardened criminals, increase job training, etc. I totally agree with you on the trades, I am a huge Mike Rowe fan and I think people like him are doing more than any government program ever could. |
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Post by westcoastoffensive on Jan 30, 2020 14:59:43 GMT -5
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Post by Trades on Jan 30, 2020 15:01:38 GMT -5
Now they can watch people crap on the street! Honestly it is probably a good thing if used properly. |
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Post by bxjetfan on Jan 30, 2020 15:08:23 GMT -5
Now they can watch people crap on the street! Honestly it is probably a good thing if used properly. They won't arrest anyone. Just enforce the laws. |
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Post by westcoastoffensive on Jan 30, 2020 15:27:33 GMT -5
Now they can watch people crap on the street! Honestly it is probably a good thing if used properly. They won't arrest anyone. Just enforce the laws.   |
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Post by Hotman on Jan 30, 2020 15:44:50 GMT -5
What is proximity to the big house? They are putting shit head criminal "children" of 18-19 year old in Juvenile DC's instead of jail where they rightfully belong and that's gonna scare them straight? Am I missing something? We're talking about late teens who wanna shove guns in ppl faces, suckerpunch elderly women, roam in packs beating the shit out of random ppl.. right? Or what's this about Exactly. They think that, because they went to college as a stupid kid and came out adult with options, that those four years of guidance and structure make a big difference. I'm soft-headed enough to fall for it. That sounds nice and all but I don't personally believe it. Maybe one out of 1000 will actually benefit or even put the slightest bit of effort in. Maybe if it were excluding violent crimes etc... It looks to me like they want these military age approved "children" to go out and raise hell knowing there will be no consequences, as some kind of goons for a certain political movement. Or so that the Constitution can finally be thrown into the fire under permanent martial law... The minute their chosen one is in power. Sounds fun |
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Post by Trades on Jan 30, 2020 15:48:58 GMT -5
Exactly. They think that, because they went to college as a stupid kid and came out adult with options, that those four years of guidance and structure make a big difference. I'm soft-headed enough to fall for it. That sounds nice and all but I don't personally believe it. Maybe one out of 1000 will actually benefit or even put the slightest bit of effort in. Maybe if it were excluding violent crimes etc... It looks to me like they want these military age approved "children" to go out and raise hell knowing there will be no consequences, as some kind of goons for a certain political movement. Or so that the Constitution can finally be thrown into the fire under permanent martial law... The minute their chosen one is in power. Sounds fun I don't know. I just think the road to hell is paved with good intentions. I really think the people proposing things like this think that they are doing it for the right reasons. Somehow 16 year olds are mature enough to vote but 18-20 year olds aren't adults. That is why I think giving them the option to go into the military is the way to go. If they truly want to build a life get the military discipline, career training and values. No, not everyone in the military is good but I was in the Air Force and found it to be a great experience. |
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Post by Hotman on Jan 30, 2020 15:54:46 GMT -5
That sounds nice and all but I don't personally believe it. Maybe one out of 1000 will actually benefit or even put the slightest bit of effort in. Maybe if it were excluding violent crimes etc... It looks to me like they want these military age approved "children" to go out and raise hell knowing there will be no consequences, as some kind of goons for a certain political movement. Or so that the Constitution can finally be thrown into the fire under permanent martial law... The minute their chosen one is in power. Sounds fun I don't know. I just think the road to hell is paved with good intentions. I really think the people proposing things like this think that they are doing it for the right reasons. Somehow 16 year olds are mature enough to vote but 18-20 year olds aren't adults. That is why I think giving them the option to go into the military is the way to go. If they truly want to build a life get the military discipline, career training and values. No, not everyone in the military is good but I was in the Air Force and found it to be a great experience. It also doesn't mean you're going into combat. Ppl are fuckin stupid. And I don't think these bastards have good intentions... Only intentions are how to exploit problems they help contribute to, in order to siphon tax money to their personal accounts. |
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Post by Trades on Jan 31, 2020 15:02:11 GMT -5
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