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Post by southside on Jan 22, 2015 21:27:55 GMT -5
I never REALLY thought of the fumbling implications but when you look at that chart you gotta ask yourself, "Do you really think a deflated ball is insignificant?" People are saying this is par for the course. I think the stats prove otherwise. And when you factor in how those dickbags reacted when we went into their stadium and kicked their ass in the mud and they went and installed field turf and eliminated that advantage we may have had since Mangini coached that for a few weeks before that game in anticipation (heard that from Pennington today which I thought was awesome).... and you're going to say they aren't above getting the slightest of advantages even if it means bending the rules like this? Sorry, turnovers alter football games and if making your ball less likely to be fumbled gives you a lower probability than the team you are playing you are going to take advantage of that. I'd like to see how often Brady fumbles the football per sack compared to other QBs. And don't forget the real reason he probably does this... it all goes back to... wait for it... THE TUCK RULE! www.reactiongifs.com/r/2011/09/mind_blown.gif
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Post by Touchable on Jan 22, 2015 21:31:21 GMT -5
I never REALLY thought of the fumbling implications but when you look at that chart you gotta ask yourself, "Do you really think a deflated ball is insignificant?" People are saying this is par for the course. I think the stats prove otherwise. And when you factor in how those dickbags reacted when we went into their stadium and kicked their ass in the mud and they went and installed field turf and eliminated that advantage we may have had since Mangini coached that for a few weeks before that game in anticipation (heard that from Pennington today which I thought was awesome).... and you're going to say they aren't above getting the slightest of advantages even if it means bending the rules like this? Sorry, turnovers alter football games and if making your ball less likely to be fumbled gives you a lower probability than the team you are playing you are going to take advantage of that. I'd like to see how often SparklePony fumbles the football per sack compared to other QBs. And don't forget the real reason he probably does this... it all goes back to... wait for it... THE TUCK RULE! www.reactiongifs.com/r/2011/09/mind_blown.gifOh my
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Post by southside on Jan 22, 2015 21:34:34 GMT -5
I never REALLY thought of the fumbling implications but when you look at that chart you gotta ask yourself, "Do you really think a deflated ball is insignificant?" People are saying this is par for the course. I think the stats prove otherwise. And when you factor in how those dickbags reacted when we went into their stadium and kicked their ass in the mud and they went and installed field turf and eliminated that advantage we may have had since Mangini coached that for a few weeks before that game in anticipation (heard that from Pennington today which I thought was awesome).... and you're going to say they aren't above getting the slightest of advantages even if it means bending the rules like this? Sorry, turnovers alter football games and if making your ball less likely to be fumbled gives you a lower probability than the team you are playing you are going to take advantage of that. I'd like to see how often SparklePony fumbles the football per sack compared to other QBs. And don't forget the real reason he probably does this... it all goes back to... wait for it... THE TUCK RULE! www.reactiongifs.com/r/2011/09/mind_blown.gifOh my... Yeah, I know, I was just as surprised as you were when that brilliant thought popped into this 99 day sober brain of mine. Like the clouds on a rainy day all of the sudden getting dispersed and the sunshine comes and brings nothing but good things. Dude has small hands, guaranteed, which is why he prefers the deflated football. Keeps him from fumbling the football, helps him throw more accurately... which is also why he lobbied for the NFL to allow him to use footballs he can alter, because if you remember those games vs the Giants he couldn't throw for shit. That's not a coincidence. Maybe a little too conspiracy theory I know, but you get the gist.
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Post by JetBidi on Jan 22, 2015 21:41:51 GMT -5
Yeah, I know, I was just as surprised as you were when that brilliant thought popped into this 99 day sober brain of mine. Like the clouds on a rainy day all of the sudden getting dispersed and the sunshine comes and brings nothing but good things. Dude has small hands, guaranteed, which is why he prefers the deflated football. Keeps him from fumbling the football, helps him throw more accurately... which is also why he lobbied for the NFL to allow him to use footballs he can alter, because if you remember those games vs the Giants he couldn't throw for shit. That's not a coincidence. Maybe a little too conspiracy theory I know, but you get the gist. This was one of the most revealing facts of the day for me. Did not know this prior to the presser. Brady lobbies NFL to use his own balls + balls he uses are deflated = CHEATING The rule needs to go back to NFL supplies all footballs for all games.
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Post by jetssjumets on Jan 22, 2015 21:43:55 GMT -5
How long has this cheating gone on? Afterall, a 6th round pick who has risen to the top of the NFL? Could 31 other teams be so wrong and NE so right? Or, is something else here at play? Once again, you cheat to gain a competitive advantage. These allegations only surround NE, coincidence? Meanwhile, according to media reports, the NFL's investigators have not even interviewed Tammy, a central figure in this cheating scandal, 3+ days after it was first reported in the news. What is Goodell waiting for -- more evidence to be destroyed? For all NE players and organization employees to get their stories straight? profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/22/tom-SparklePony-nfl-hasnt-contacted-me-as-part-of-investigation/The whole country is watching this time. Goodell will find it difficult to sweep this NE cheating scandal under the rug like he did with Spygate. profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/22/deflategate-leads-all-three-network-newscasts/Meanwhile, a Republican US Senator from Nevada issued the following statement today. Unlike Spygate when then Vermont Democratic Senator and Chairman of the Judiciary Committee, and avid Flats* fan, tabled the Senate's Judiciary Committee investigation of Spygate sought by former Sen. Specter (R-PA), Sen. Hellar cannot be accused of local politics (how some NE fans characterized the inquiry of Specter). In fact, Hellar is a Member of the Senate Commerce Committee that has jurisdiction over all sports leagues -- professional and collegiate. The Judiciary Committee has jurisdiction over a sports league if that sports league is granted anti-trust exemption status like the NFL enjoys. Here's hoping the US Senate investigates Deflategate and also goes back and looks into Spygate with all parties going under oath before Congress. Better not lie either Kraft, Goodell and Belicheat....just go ask Clemens, McGuire, Bonds, etc., how well that worked out for them. www.heller.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/pressreleases?ID=157d5c81-93e3-4c33-80ed-b417a4e4be98
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Post by greengeek on Jan 22, 2015 21:48:45 GMT -5
Holy shit ESPN is filled with a bunch of fucking idiots. They just had some "scientist" come on and talk about how it's possible for the football to lose air pressure because of cold weather. True But what the fuck does this prove? The footballs on the Colts sideline were all filled to regulation. Does mother nature only effect the Flats* footballs or some shit? OK...I saw this one coming...let's go: PV=nRT requires that the pressures and temperatures be expressed as "absolute" quantities. Typical air pressure is 14.7 psi. A fully deflated ball (e.g. cut by a knife) has 14.7 psi. When the pressure is measured by a ref, this is a so-called "gauge pressure". a 13.0 psi gauge pressure is therefore 14.7+13.0 = 27.7 psi which is 191,000 Pascals absolute pressure. ( link ) Let's say that the ball was initially at equilibrium in a rather warm room...80 degrees Fahrenheit. The temperature should also be expressed on an absolute scale and 80 degrees Fahrenheit is 300 Kelvin ( link ). The temperature on the field was 51 Fahrenheit which is 283.7 Kelvin ( link ). If noone lets air out of the ball, then n is a constant, V is nearly constant, and R is always a constant. Thus we find: p1/T1 = p2/T2 or p2 = T2/T1 * p1...leading to p2 = 26.2 psi absolute pressure. This is a grand total of 11.5 psi...1.5 psi lower than the initial. 2 psi lower than legal is 2.5 psi lower than 13.0 (not 1.5) That said...the story I heard includes the following facts: - The refs took measured the pressure at half time (presumably back indoors so the calculation is moot).
- The refs also measured the balls from the Colts balls and got all within compliance (supporting the prior conjecture).
- If the calculation is repeated using a normal temp room (72 degrees), a 13.0 psi ball drops to 12.0 outside.
- The volume is not truly constant and therefore the pressure drop is smaller than these calculations.
End result: The Patriots cheated (AGAIN). Q.E.D.
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Post by JetBidi on Jan 22, 2015 21:49:36 GMT -5
How long has this cheating gone on? Afterall, a 6th round pick who has risen to the top of the NFL? Could 31 other teams be so wrong and NE so right? Or, is something else here at play? Once again, you cheat to gain a competitive advantage. These allegations only surround NE, coincidence? Meanwhile, according to media reports, the NFL's investigators have not even interviewed Tammy, a central figure in this cheating scandal, 3+ days after it was first reported in the news. What is Goodell waiting for -- more evidence to be destroyed? For all NE players and organization employees to get their stories straight? profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/22/tom-SparklePony-nfl-hasnt-contacted-me-as-part-of-investigation/The whole country is watching this time. Goodell will find it difficult to sweep this NE cheating scandal under the rug like he did with Spygate. profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/22/deflategate-leads-all-three-network-newscasts/ Meanwhile, a Republican US Senator from Nevada issued the following statement today. Unlike Spygate when then Vermont Democratic Senator and Chairman of the Judiciary Committee, and avid Flats* fan, tabled the Senate's Judiciary Committee investigation of Spygate sought by former Sen. Specter (R-PA), Sen. Hellar cannot be accused of local politics (how some NE fans characterized the inquiry of Specter). In fact, Hellar is a Member of the Senate Commerce Committee that has jurisdiction over all sports leagues -- professional and collegiate. The Judiciary Committee has jurisdiction over a sports league if that sports league is granted anti-trust exemption status like the NFL enjoys.
Here's hoping the US Senate investigates Deflategate and also goes back and looks into Spygate with all parties going under oath before Congress. Better not lie either Kraft, Goodell and Belicheat....just go ask Clemens, McGuire, Bonds, etc., how well that worked out for them.
www.heller.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/pressreleases?ID=157d5c81-93e3-4c33-80ed-b417a4e4be98Hate when people meddle, especially when these fucks should be doing something better with their time, but if Congressional intervention is what it takes to fix football the way it did baseball, then so be it.
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Post by JetBidi on Jan 22, 2015 21:50:58 GMT -5
Holy shit ESPN is filled with a bunch of fucking idiots. They just had some "scientist" come on and talk about how it's possible for the football to lose air pressure because of cold weather. True But what the fuck does this prove? The footballs on the Colts sideline were all filled to regulation. Does mother nature only effect the Flats* footballs or some shit? OK...I saw this one coming...let's go: PV=nRT requires that the pressures and temperatures be expressed as "absolute" quantities. Typical air pressure is 14.7 psi. A fully deflated ball (e.g. cut by a knife) has 14.7 psi. When the pressure is measured by a ref, this is a so-called "gauge pressure". a 13.0 psi gauge pressure is therefore 14.7+13.0 = 27.7 psi which is 191,000 Pascals absolute pressure. ( link ) Let's say that the ball was initially at equilibrium in a rather warm room...80 degrees Fahrenheit. The temperature should also be expressed on an absolute scale and 80 degrees Fahrenheit is 300 Kelvin ( link ). The temperature on the field was 51 Fahrenheit which is 283.7 Kelvin ( link ). If noone lets air out of the ball, then n is a constant, V is nearly constant, and R is always a constant. Thus we find: p1/T1 = p2/T2 or p2 = T2/T1 * p1...leading to p2 = 26.2 psi absolute pressure. This is a grand total of 11.5 psi...1.5 psi lower than the initial. 2 psi lower than legal is 2.5 psi lower than 13.0 (not 1.5) That said...the story I heard includes the following facts: - The refs took measured the pressure at half time (presumably back indoors so the calculation is moot).
- The refs also measured the balls from the Colts balls and got all within compliance (supporting the prior conjecture).
- If the calculation is repeated using a normal temp room (72 degrees), a 13.0 psi ball drops to 12.0 outside.
- The volume is not truly constant and therefore the pressure drop is smaller than these calculations.
End result: The Deflatriots cheated (AGAIN). Q.E.D.
Supply these facts to ESPN please. They seem to think footballs magically lose PSI and only on one side of the field.
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Post by Bing© in Buffalo Chairman on Jan 22, 2015 21:52:51 GMT -5
fucking faggot.
he never altered the footballs.
my ass- he had someone else do it....
fuck him. Even his shorts look deflated...
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Jan 22, 2015 22:00:50 GMT -5
I wrote a comment about the reduced risk of fumbling being more of the issue as to why they use deflated footballs. But the fact is Tom likes throwing deflated footballs and has admitted as much. It just so happens to show a massive amount of disparity in the fumbling department as well. Someone should have been tipped off to this earlier. Especially considering how many players they have gone through at the running back position (IE a bunch of fucking scrubs) who all the sudden never fumble the football with the Flats*? I call bullshit. Someone needs to compare individual player fumble rates when playing for the Pats as compared to other teams. Guys like Green-Ellis, Blount, and Welker.
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Post by Big L on Jan 22, 2015 22:10:34 GMT -5
PV=nRT. Love it.
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Post by jetssjumets on Jan 22, 2015 22:30:02 GMT -5
How long has this cheating gone on? Afterall, a 6th round pick who has risen to the top of the NFL? Could 31 other teams be so wrong and NE so right? Or, is something else here at play? Once again, you cheat to gain a competitive advantage. These allegations only surround NE, coincidence? Meanwhile, according to media reports, the NFL's investigators have not even interviewed Tammy, a central figure in this cheating scandal, 3+ days after it was first reported in the news. What is Goodell waiting for -- more evidence to be destroyed? For all NE players and organization employees to get their stories straight? profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/22/tom-SparklePony-nfl-hasnt-contacted-me-as-part-of-investigation/The whole country is watching this time. Goodell will find it difficult to sweep this NE cheating scandal under the rug like he did with Spygate. profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/22/deflategate-leads-all-three-network-newscasts/ Meanwhile, a Republican US Senator from Nevada issued the following statement today. Unlike Spygate when then Vermont Democratic Senator and Chairman of the Judiciary Committee, and avid Flats* fan, tabled the Senate's Judiciary Committee investigation of Spygate sought by former Sen. Specter (R-PA), Sen. Hellar cannot be accused of local politics (how some NE fans characterized the inquiry of Specter). In fact, Hellar is a Member of the Senate Commerce Committee that has jurisdiction over all sports leagues -- professional and collegiate. The Judiciary Committee has jurisdiction over a sports league if that sports league is granted anti-trust exemption status like the NFL enjoys.
Here's hoping the US Senate investigates Deflategate and also goes back and looks into Spygate with all parties going under oath before Congress. Better not lie either Kraft, Goodell and Belicheat....just go ask Clemens, McGuire, Bonds, etc., how well that worked out for them.
www.heller.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/pressreleases?ID=157d5c81-93e3-4c33-80ed-b417a4e4be98Hate when people meddle, especially when these fucks should be doing something better with their time, but if Congressional intervention is what it takes to fix football the way it did baseball, then so be it. I hear you. However, up until now, there has been no independent 3rd party reviewing these cheating allegations. Given all the scandals surrounding NE, the only franchise in the NFL that continues to encounter these glaring scandals that grip the public's attention, it is imperative that a comprehensive investigation occur that is not led by Goodell who can destroy the evidence. Way too many questions being asked by so many outside NE. By the way, you may recall that when the AH case first developed, Kraft quickly disappeared out of the country for 2 weeks. NE had no comment but provided full access to the alleged serial murderer, AH, to the team's facility. In other words, many questions involving NE go way beyond sports. The image being protrayed of NE as a model franchise is just that, an image. We have seen this before -- just go ask Ray Rice, Clemens, Bernie Madoff, OJ, etc. We honestly don't know what is behind the door of "one Patriot Way" until we have a complete objective investigation. Let's see what really was behind those three NE SB victories and the so-called success of NE during these past 15 years. Where there is some there is fire!
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Post by rexneffect on Jan 22, 2015 23:39:53 GMT -5
Meanwhile, a Republican US Senator from Nevada issued the following statement today. Unlike Spygate when then Vermont Democratic Senator and Chairman of the Judiciary Committee, and avid Flats* fan, tabled the Senate's Judiciary Committee investigation of Spygate sought by former Sen. Specter (R-PA), Sen. Hellar cannot be accused of local politics (how some NE fans characterized the inquiry of Specter). In fact, Hellar is a Member of the Senate Commerce Committee that has jurisdiction over all sports leagues -- professional and collegiate. The Judiciary Committee has jurisdiction over a sports league if that sports league is granted anti-trust exemption status like the NFL enjoys.
Here's hoping the US Senate investigates Deflategate and also goes back and looks into Spygate with all parties going under oath before Congress. Better not lie either Kraft, Goodell and Belicheat....just go ask Clemens, McGuire, Bonds, etc., how well that worked out for them.
www.heller.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/pressreleases?ID=157d5c81-93e3-4c33-80ed-b417a4e4be98 Hate when people meddle, especially when these fucks should be doing something better with their time, but if Congressional intervention is what it takes to fix football the way it did baseball, then so be it. Congress has granted the NFL (and other major leagues) exemptions to the antitrust laws, which is a pretty big deal. Without the exemption any group of guys with money could start a team and the NFL would have to let them compete on some level or the NFL would have to drastically change the way it does business. Congress gets involved in sports when the question of the public value of these exemptions is raised by corruption on and off the field. It's not just dick wagging for the sake of finding something to do.
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Post by jetstream23 on Jan 23, 2015 0:36:01 GMT -5
Holy shit ESPN is filled with a bunch of fucking idiots. They just had some "scientist" come on and talk about how it's possible for the football to lose air pressure because of cold weather. True But what the fuck does this prove? The footballs on the Colts sideline were all filled to regulation. Does mother nature only effect the Flats* footballs or some shit? OK...I saw this one coming...let's go: PV=nRT requires that the pressures and temperatures be expressed as "absolute" quantities. Typical air pressure is 14.7 psi. A fully deflated ball (e.g. cut by a knife) has 14.7 psi. When the pressure is measured by a ref, this is a so-called "gauge pressure". a 13.0 psi gauge pressure is therefore 14.7+13.0 = 27.7 psi which is 191,000 Pascals absolute pressure. ( link ) Let's say that the ball was initially at equilibrium in a rather warm room...80 degrees Fahrenheit. The temperature should also be expressed on an absolute scale and 80 degrees Fahrenheit is 300 Kelvin ( link ). The temperature on the field was 51 Fahrenheit which is 283.7 Kelvin ( link ). If noone lets air out of the ball, then n is a constant, V is nearly constant, and R is always a constant. Thus we find: p1/T1 = p2/T2 or p2 = T2/T1 * p1...leading to p2 = 26.2 psi absolute pressure. This is a grand total of 11.5 psi...1.5 psi lower than the initial. 2 psi lower than legal is 2.5 psi lower than 13.0 (not 1.5) That said...the story I heard includes the following facts: - The refs took measured the pressure at half time (presumably back indoors so the calculation is moot).
- The refs also measured the balls from the Colts balls and got all within compliance (supporting the prior conjecture).
- If the calculation is repeated using a normal temp room (72 degrees), a 13.0 psi ball drops to 12.0 outside.
- The volume is not truly constant and therefore the pressure drop is smaller than these calculations.
End result: The Deflatriots cheated (AGAIN). Q.E.D.
Awesome. Haven't seen PV = nRT since college Thermodynamics class!
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Post by vin on Jan 23, 2015 1:56:52 GMT -5
The Deflatriots are the Bill Cosbys of football. Not even that. At least Bill Cosby is funny(sort of).
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