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Post by adpz on Jan 23, 2015 22:58:56 GMT -5
I won't call it cheating, but it does underscore why this kind of 'playing-the-rulebook' grey-area gamesmanship needs to leave like the Wildcat did. The Colts lose the NE game anyway - but this kind of play could have been hugely important in another setting. Good news for those of you suffering full-on Deflategate fatigue: Here's a story about something other than under-inflated balls.
But it's bad news for those of you who don't want to hear about more Patriots shenanigans during their run to the Super Bowl. Either way, you've been warned.
The latest, via Jim Miller and Pat Kirwan of SiriusXM NFL Radio: Remember that 16-yard touchdown pass from Tom Brady to left tackle Nate Solder in the AFC Championship beatdown over the Colts? Yeah, that shouldn't have counted.
"The play before the Nate Solder touchdown, No. 71 (Cameron Fleming) declared himself as an eligible receiver," Kirwan said. "The next play, he stays in the game, which is now where the rule is going to be stressed and probably broken ... and he became an ineligible receiver. He had to leave the game."
"He's supposed to leave the game," Miller added.
"He didn't leave the game and No. 77 (Solder) became eligible, which automatically made No. 71 ineligible, but he had to leave the game," Kirwan continued. "They let the play move on and it was a touchdown. So the officials under our understanding of the rules -- and we've been reading the rules all morning -- it appears that (New England) got away with one. And touché to the Patriots for scoring the touchdown."
Later in the segment, Miller read the rule in question from the rule book: "If the player has been withdrawn for one legal snap, a player withdrawn for one legal snap may reenter at a position indicated by the eligibility status of his number, unless he again reports to the referee that he is assuming a position other than designated by the eligibility status of his number."
www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24986663/jim-miller-says-nate-solders-td-catch-shouldnt-have-counted |
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Post by Peebag on Jan 23, 2015 23:16:50 GMT -5
Ok that does it. I'm pissed. Where do we erect a billboard?
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Post by jetswin on Jan 24, 2015 8:25:49 GMT -5
I am truly shocked that the Pats would try to circumvent an NFL rule on fair play because we all know that's all they're about, Brady explained it so the other day.
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Post by jets.penguin on Jan 24, 2015 9:50:22 GMT -5
its funny...I keep hearing how all these "little" things had no impact on the game because they lost so badly but if I remember correctly football is a game of momentum and when these things pile up it gives them the momentum they need win...its the several little wins throughout the game that DOES have an impact. The final score isnt the whole story but lets ignore the fact......carry on, breaking the rules as long as they are small dont matter, illegal plays, deflated balls, etc....it doesnt add up...thats like saying tickling my balls doesnt leads to sex
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Post by vin on Jan 24, 2015 10:06:39 GMT -5
its funny...I keep hearing how all these "little" things had no impact on the game because they lost so badly but if I remember correctly football is a game of momentum and when these things pile up it gives them the momentum they need win...its the several little wins throughout the game that DOES have an impact. The final score isnt the whole story but lets ignore the fact......carry on, breaking the rules as long as they are small dont matter, illegal plays, deflated balls, etc....it doesnt add up... thats like saying tickling my balls doesnt leads to sex
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Post by rexneffect on Jan 24, 2015 12:06:41 GMT -5
I talked about this being a potential issue with the way the plays were called when the pats first did this in the Ravens game.
The pats can chalk this one up to an accident not subbing on the field correctly but with the way they went swinging their dicks after the Ravens game about knowing the rulebook so intimately they dried up the presumption that it was an accident rather than an intentional attempt to violate the rules. Same goes for the argument that the refs should know the rules better. Sure they should but if the pats are such experts in the rulebook then they shouldn't need the refs to police their behavior.
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Post by Ff2 on Jan 24, 2015 18:00:06 GMT -5
That's on the refs.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2015 20:16:42 GMT -5
It's not just on the refs. The point of the Patriots playing these eligible/ineligible games is to confuse EVERYONE. The goal is to confuse the defense and to confuse the refs allowing things that are techinically against the rules not to get called. It's advantage patriots all the way and the whole purpose is to confuse everyone to gain an advantage. |
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Post by PK on Jan 24, 2015 20:23:37 GMT -5
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Post by Ff2 on Jan 24, 2015 21:58:36 GMT -5
It's not just on the refs. The point of the Deflatriots playing these eligible/ineligible games is to confuse EVERYONE. The goal is to confuse the defense and to confuse the refs allowing things that are techinically against the rules not to get called. It's advantage Deflatriots all the way and the whole purpose is to confuse everyone to gain an advantage. Pretty much all offensives are trying to confuse defenses. |
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Post by jetstream23 on Jan 25, 2015 0:17:43 GMT -5
It's not just on the refs. The point of the Deflatriots playing these eligible/ineligible games is to confuse EVERYONE. The goal is to confuse the defense and to confuse the refs allowing things that are techinically against the rules not to get called. It's advantage Deflatriots all the way and the whole purpose is to confuse everyone to gain an advantage. Pretty much all offensives are trying to confuse defenses. True, but 31 teams do it with creativity and legal formations. One does it by breaking the rules and hoping they only get caught periodically, slipping enough past the officials to impact the game. This is the approach that drug cartels use at the border. Throw tons of product at the border...either through it, over it, or under it. Then let our government celebrate that 30 tons of narcotics were stopped, while 320 tons came through. |
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Post by Ff2 on Jan 25, 2015 11:38:34 GMT -5
Pretty much all offensives are trying to confuse defenses. True, but 31 teams do it with creativity and legal formations. One does it by breaking the rules and hoping they only get caught periodically, slipping enough past the officials to impact the game. This is the approach that drug cartels use at the border. Throw tons of product at the border...either through it, over it, or under it. Then let our government celebrate that 30 tons of narcotics were stopped, while 320 tons came through. So all teams who get an illegal formation penalty are like drug cartels. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 12:05:00 GMT -5
so if one mod is distracting your new boyfriend ragu with PMs while the other mods burn down your profile and ban you, it's not our fault, it's on ragu? huh. i like the cut of your jib, fatboy |
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Post by jetstream23 on Jan 25, 2015 12:21:59 GMT -5
True, but 31 teams do it with creativity and legal formations. One does it by breaking the rules and hoping they only get caught periodically, slipping enough past the officials to impact the game. This is the approach that drug cartels use at the border. Throw tons of product at the border...either through it, over it, or under it. Then let our government celebrate that 30 tons of narcotics were stopped, while 320 tons came through. So all teams who get an illegal formation penalty are like drug cartels. Hey, I'm not saying that BB smuggled cocaine in those tampered footballs! I'm also not saying that he didn't. |
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Post by jcappy on Jan 25, 2015 12:29:26 GMT -5
I wonder what Aaron Hernandez is thinking about all of this right now.
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