kuntysoze
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Post by kuntysoze on Feb 13, 2015 9:03:50 GMT -5
For me, it had to be not re-signing Cro. The guy wanted to be here and he didn't even try to re-sign him with all the cap room we had. What's your pick?
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Post by The Turk on Feb 13, 2015 10:09:50 GMT -5
Not even trying to sign revis after he was cut by TB
close second: the WR's he drafted and/or did not draft last year It seems he hit on the only two busts out of the entire batch of drafted WR's last year
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Post by Brady's a catcher on Feb 13, 2015 10:10:21 GMT -5
For me, it had to be not re-signing Cro. The guy wanted to be here and he didn't even try to re-sign him with all the cap room we had. What's your pick? Taking an in the box safety at 18, not taking a WR till 4th and then taking a smurf, not have a rel plan a QB, sitting on cash until the reactive Harvin trade. What a turd!
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Feb 13, 2015 10:13:34 GMT -5
I would say the combination of letting Vontae Davis slip away/not resigning Cro. Either signing would have been ok without the other but both combined sunk our season.
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Post by CTJetsFanII on Feb 13, 2015 10:51:39 GMT -5
Not even trying to sign revis after he was cut by TB close second: the WR's he drafted and/or did not draft last year It seems he hit on the only two busts out of the entire batch of drafted WR's last year +1.
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Post by astoria on Feb 13, 2015 11:33:59 GMT -5
It's funny, what's more probable, that he randomly selected the only three WR "busts", or that we had a WR coach incapable of developing any WR? Given Sanjay Lal had several years of evidence indicating his ineptitude, I would believe the latter.
But yeah I think not pursuing Revis was a terrible Idzik move. Not signing Vontae Davis or even Alterraun Verner (yes scheme fit, but he was so CHEAP). I didn't like McDougle in the third, he was a reach, I'm glad he's on our team because I think he's going to be very good but he would have been there in the 4th. Bryant or Moncrief would have been a much better 3rd round pick.
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Post by greenwave on Feb 13, 2015 11:35:54 GMT -5
For me, the official derail was when he traded a 6th round pick to get Harvin. He could have had a more polished version of the same player at the same price, but didn't even bat an eye when DeSean Jackson was available.
That's what told me he didn't know what he was doing, and had gotten desperate.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Feb 13, 2015 11:39:16 GMT -5
For me, the official derail was when he traded a 6th round pick to get Harvin. He could have had a more polished version of the same player at the same price, but didn't even bat an eye when DeSean Jackson was available. That's what told me he didn't know what he was doing, and had gotten desperate. Yeah I think that was definitely the GM version of the white flag wave.
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Post by joepnyj1 on Feb 13, 2015 11:45:09 GMT -5
Not even trying to sign revis after he was cut by TB close second: the WR's he drafted and/or did not draft last year It seems he hit on the only two busts out of the entire batch of drafted WR's last year That was on Woody, he wanted no part of Revis' constant wining.
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Post by joepnyj1 on Feb 13, 2015 11:46:25 GMT -5
For me, the official derail was when he traded a 6th round pick to get Harvin. He could have had a more polished version of the same player at the same price, but didn't even bat an eye when DeSean Jackson was available. That's what told me he didn't know what he was doing, and had gotten desperate. Totally agree here. That move reeked of desperation.
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Post by joepnyj1 on Feb 13, 2015 11:48:53 GMT -5
I would say the combination of letting Vontae Davis slip away/not resigning Cro. Either signing would have been ok without the other but both combined sunk our season. I agree with you about Vontae Davis. My opinion I can't blame Idzik for letting Cro go because he had a hip injury and typically it is tough to recover from that and I can see other GM's doing the same thing. But the fact that he could not find a suitable replacement, that in itself was inexcusable.
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Post by jetstream23 on Feb 13, 2015 15:51:07 GMT -5
I would say the combination of letting Vontae Davis slip away/not resigning Cro. Either signing would have been ok without the other but both combined sunk our season. This. I understand that you're not going to get everyone you want, and Vontae Davis got big money and returned to Indy. I can't kill Idzik for losing out on him. But at that point you have to recover. You swung for the fences and struck out on a #1 CB target. You MUST have a better Plan B than Dimitri Patterson. Not taking calls from Revis' agents is just stupid in my opinion. You at least have the conversation. Being a day late and dollar short on an offer to DRC? Just weird. And signing Cro was a no-brainer once all else failed. So for me, it was his entire approach to CB during FA. It's almost like he was a batter who was allowed to have 5 strikes instead of 3....and he still struck out. A close 2nd is the entire Draft. Not particular players, although we could dissect each pick, but just the idea that he was going to take 12 players and most would somehow make the team or PS. He should have maneuvered around and used at least 2 of those picks to move up for certain players in certain Rounds. 10 guys is more than enough to bring into Camp from the Draft plus you'd still have rookie FA. It still boggles the mind how, in a Draft so incredibly deep at WR where there seems to be almost 15-20 guys in the NFL contributing as rookies, we took 3 WRs and none of them made a dent for this team. A monkey throwing darts at a list of prospects would have selected better players.
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Post by JetBidi on Feb 13, 2015 15:56:20 GMT -5
I would say the combination of letting Vontae Davis slip away/not resigning Cro. Either signing would have been ok without the other but both combined sunk our season. This. I understand that you're not going to get everyone you want, and Vontae Davis got big money and returned to Indy. I can't kill Idzik for losing out on him. But at that point you have to recover. You swung for the fences and struck out on a #1 CB target. You MUST have a better Plan B than Dimitri Patterson. Not taking calls from Revis' agents is just stupid in my opinion. You at least have the conversation. Being a day late and dollar short on an offer to DRC? Just weird. And signing Cro was a no-brainer once all else failed. So for me, it was his entire approach to CB during FA. It's almost like he was a batter who was allowed to have 5 strikes instead of 3....and he still struck out. A close 2nd is the entire Draft. Not particular players, although we could dissect each pick, but just the idea that he was going to take 12 players and most would somehow make the team or PS. He should have maneuvered around and used at least 2 of those picks to move up for certain players in certain Rounds. 10 guys is more than enough to bring into Camp from the Draft plus you'd still have rookie FA. It still boggles the mind how, in a Draft so incredibly deep at WR where there seems to be almost 15-20 guys in the NFL contributing as rookies, we took 3 WRs and none of them made a dent for this team. A monkey throwing darts at a list of prospects would have selected better players.There are definitely years that we would've been better off doing this.
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Post by jets19 on Feb 13, 2015 16:04:23 GMT -5
All great points with the CB market ,but even after Patterson went AWOL , KC cut Flowers could have got him on a one year deal.and he did nada.
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Post by astoria on Feb 13, 2015 16:51:36 GMT -5
I would say the combination of letting Vontae Davis slip away/not resigning Cro. Either signing would have been ok without the other but both combined sunk our season. This. I understand that you're not going to get everyone you want, and Vontae Davis got big money and returned to Indy. I can't kill Idzik for losing out on him. But at that point you have to recover. You swung for the fences and struck out on a #1 CB target. You MUST have a better Plan B than Dimitri Patterson. Not taking calls from Revis' agents is just stupid in my opinion. You at least have the conversation. Being a day late and dollar short on an offer to DRC? Just weird. And signing Cro was a no-brainer once all else failed. So for me, it was his entire approach to CB during FA. It's almost like he was a batter who was allowed to have 5 strikes instead of 3....and he still struck out. A close 2nd is the entire Draft. Not particular players, although we could dissect each pick, but just the idea that he was going to take 12 players and most would somehow make the team or PS. He should have maneuvered around and used at least 2 of those picks to move up for certain players in certain Rounds. 10 guys is more than enough to bring into Camp from the Draft plus you'd still have rookie FA. It still boggles the mind how, in a Draft so incredibly deep at WR where there seems to be almost 15-20 guys in the NFL contributing as rookies, we took 3 WRs and none of them made a dent for this team. A monkey throwing darts at a list of prospects would have selected better players. I agree with everything you've said about CBs and the volume of our draft picks. However when it comes to the WRs, it's very statistically unlikely that the three WRs we selected in such a deep WR draft would be the only duds. You said it yourself, a monkey throwing darts (aka random) would provide a tangibly more advantageous outcome. So is it more likely that this extremely slim probability occurred, or that there is a structural reason why our WRs didn't (and never have) developed for us? In other words, on another team maybe Quince Enunwa has caught 6 TDs already. Maybe Moncrief on the Jets never developed. It's impossible to label our WR picks all as universal busts, because we had such a questionable WR coach. It's hard for me to consider WR as Idzik's most egregious sin, given that he picked Amaro in there as well.
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