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Post by RobR on Dec 4, 2014 10:34:56 GMT -5
I have no idea why many want Mangini back as a GM. He is currently blacklisted by the league and has zero chance of success moving forward. He's currently a tight end coach in San Francisco and has remodeled himself as an offensive guy. The personnel we had under him was successful and the leaders of our AFC Championship game teams. He's smart and has an eye for talent but not quick on his toes, he'd be a good GM. Call me crazy but I'll pass on the SF tight end coach becoming our next GM.
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Post by patman on Dec 4, 2014 13:09:19 GMT -5
I think Magini will be fine as a Director of Personnel/player development/college scouting whatever,but as a GM, his people skills will still leave him wanting. I think he would just piss off too many players during negotiations. And he would be tough for a HC to work for.
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Post by KRL on Dec 4, 2014 14:03:09 GMT -5
Since Woody has never "cleaned house" before I don't know if he'll replace Idzik. Here are my candidates for GM and HC:
GM
- Eric DeCosta (BAL Asst. GM) - Vince Newsome (BAL Dir. Pro Personnel) - Joe Horitz (BAL Dir. College Scouting)
All are from BAL because they are a team that consistently drafts well and develops talent even when they lose free agents
HC
- Jim Harbaugh (SF HC): Turned around an underachieving team and a bust of a QB (Smith) in one year and has consistently won
- David Shaw (Stanford HC): Pristine resume, has been an NFL assistant and has helped develop Luck. Has kept Stanford as a top program even though he doesn't get the recruits the SEC programs do
- Dan Quinn (SEA DC): Impressive job with the SEA defense and if Idzik remains there is a connection
- Todd Bowles (ARZ DC): Impressive job with the ARZ defense even with the injuries they've had to deal with
- Bill Lazor (MIA OC): Impressive job developing Tannehill and has coached under Chip Kelly. So if we got Mariota he could implement the system he's comfortable running
- Vic Fangio (SF DC): Has lost multiple All-Pro players (Willis, Bowman & Smith) yet their defense is still top notch
- Tom Clements (GB OC): Been with GB for years and was Rodgers QB coach when he first broke in
- Pep Hamilton (IND OC): Has had a hand in developing Luck at Stanford and now with IND
After going through six years of developing/playing rookie QB's I'm gun shy in doing that again. I would like a short term answer but I just don't see one that I like (shame on Vick for not taking the spot). Our best bet may be the new coach having a "real plan/system" to develop a rookie and going down that road again with a Mariota or Winston
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Post by rexneffect on Dec 4, 2014 14:05:28 GMT -5
If Mangini gets anywhere around this team it should be in a player evaluation role. I don't want him in any position where he is regularly interacting with players or is setting a management tone for the team. He's well known for being a total dick and players will charge a premium to play for him, even if its as a GM.
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Post by Touchable on Dec 4, 2014 14:20:19 GMT -5
If Mangini gets anywhere around this team it should be in a player evaluation role. I don't want him in any position where he is regularly interacting with players or is setting a management tone for the team. He's well known for being a total dick and players will charge a premium to play for him, even if its as a GM. We need a dick running things Say what you want about Mangini, but how often did the Jets get totally embarrassed during his tenure here? How often did the team look totally unprepared or come out flat after a bye week or a big win? It seems like we've been on the shitty end of at least 2-3 blowouts every year that Rex has been the coach. And this entire team looking like their heads are jammed up their asses after a bye every year has eclipsed the ridiculous level. Mangini took us to the playoffs with a decimated Chad Pennington, a backfield featuring Kevin Barlow and Cedric Houston, an OL featuring Anthony Clement and Adrian Jones, and a total no name defense with the exception of Vilma who was playing out of his comfort zone in Mangini's defense.
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Post by carlito1171 on Dec 4, 2014 14:38:45 GMT -5
If Mangini gets anywhere around this team it should be in a player evaluation role. I don't want him in any position where he is regularly interacting with players or is setting a management tone for the team. He's well known for being a total dick and players will charge a premium to play for him, even if its as a GM. We need a dick running things Say what you want about Mangini, but how often did the Jets get totally embarrassed during his tenure here? How often did the team look totally unprepared or come out flat after a bye week or a big win? It seems like we've been on the shitty end of at least 2-3 blowouts every year that Rex has been the coach. And this entire team looking like their heads are jammed up their asses after a bye every year has eclipsed the ridiculous level. Mangini took us to the playoffs with a decimated Chad Pennington, a backfield featuring Kevin Barlow and Cedric Houston, an OL featuring Anthony Clement and Adrian Jones, and a total no name defense with the exception of Vilma who was playing out of his comfort zone in Mangini's defense. Mangini has no people skills, but I'm all for getting a disciplinarian in here to straighten things out....
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Post by DDNYjets on Dec 4, 2014 17:26:55 GMT -5
All I know is we better get it right b.c we re a cunt hair from the abyss. We are closer to the Raiders than we are to the playoffs.
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Post by rexneffect on Dec 4, 2014 17:39:51 GMT -5
If Mangini gets anywhere around this team it should be in a player evaluation role. I don't want him in any position where he is regularly interacting with players or is setting a management tone for the team. He's well known for being a total dick and players will charge a premium to play for him, even if its as a GM. We need a dick running things Say what you want about Mangini, but how often did the Jets get totally embarrassed during his tenure here? How often did the team look totally unprepared or come out flat after a bye week or a big win? It seems like we've been on the shitty end of at least 2-3 blowouts every year that Rex has been the coach. And this entire team looking like their heads are jammed up their asses after a bye every year has eclipsed the ridiculous level. Mangini took us to the playoffs with a decimated Chad Pennington, a backfield featuring Kevin Barlow and Cedric Houston, an OL featuring Anthony Clement and Adrian Jones, and a total no name defense with the exception of Vilma who was playing out of his comfort zone in Mangini's defense. And then took us to 4-12 and after some serious pickups in FA got us to a glorious 9-7. The guy didn't even break .500. He's basically Rex in reverse. Rather than be a buddy he's a complete dick to players. This is some real revisionism of Mangini's record. Total embarrassments? 41-0 loss to Jacksonville (2006) 31-13 loss to Bills (2006) 38-14 loss to Patriots (2007) 34-3 loss to Dallas (2007) I'm not opposed to a disciplinarian coming in but Mangini was not a great head coach and does not have the people skills to be a good disciplinarian.
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Post by DDNYjets on Dec 4, 2014 18:19:12 GMT -5
Mangini is never coming back. He is the only person Woody might hate as much as Revis. That said, he did lose his QB two of those three years. If Favre stays healthy 2008 could have been special.
My ideal situation would be Holmgren to come in and be the czar and coach for a few year a la Parcells. We don't just need a new staff, we need a culture change. I like guys like Gase but I do not think they have the clout to do what we need done. We need someone that brings us instant credibility. I know the biggest knocks on Holmgren are his age and that he has been away for a few years but I am not looking for him to be a 10 year coach, I am looking for him to stabilize the program and hopefully hand things over to a young assistant and then move upstairs full-time.
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Post by rexneffect on Dec 4, 2014 18:54:49 GMT -5
Mangini is never coming back. He is the only person Woody might hate as much as Revis. That said, he did lose his QB two of those three years. If Favre stays healthy 2008 could have been special. My ideal situation would be Holmgren to come in and be the czar and coach for a few year a la Parcells. We don't just need a new staff, we need a culture change. I like guys like Gase but I do not think they have the clout to do what we need done. We need someone that brings us instant credibility. I know the biggest knocks on Holmgren are his age and that he has been away for a few years but I am not looking for him to be a 10 year coach, I am looking for him to stabilize the program and hopefully hand things over to a young assistant and then move upstairs full-time. The problem with Holmgren is the same as what happened with Parcells. A guy who is only going to stick around for a few years isn't going to want to develop key positions like QB. That's how we ended up without Manning. With the almost certainty that we will need to draft a QB to try to find a halfway decent QB to lead the offense, the last thing we need is a head coach who isn't committed to developing a young QB a la Parcells. If we are going to bring in some guy approaching the end of his career I would rather that guy go into the GM or another management role where he can help guide the culture and a new HC.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2014 19:20:17 GMT -5
Interested to see what you guys say... I'm going with: GM: Eric DeCosta - asst GM Ravens... Regional scout who worked his way up. Don't know how he isn't a GM already. HC: Harbaugh - why not? And it doesn't hurt that the new GM has connections to the Harbaughs QB: Mariota/Winston and Locker competition. Like Mariota better, but not against Winston coming here either. Like Locker in Harbaugh's system even though he cant stay on the field. Could be serviceable if he stays healthy as a system fit like Sanchez is now with Chip Kelly. I'd like to hear your opinions about who you'd like to see here. I'd buy this minus Winston.
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Post by DDNYjets on Dec 4, 2014 19:33:30 GMT -5
Mangini is never coming back. He is the only person Woody might hate as much as Revis. That said, he did lose his QB two of those three years. If Favre stays healthy 2008 could have been special. My ideal situation would be Holmgren to come in and be the czar and coach for a few year a la Parcells. We don't just need a new staff, we need a culture change. I like guys like Gase but I do not think they have the clout to do what we need done. We need someone that brings us instant credibility. I know the biggest knocks on Holmgren are his age and that he has been away for a few years but I am not looking for him to be a 10 year coach, I am looking for him to stabilize the program and hopefully hand things over to a young assistant and then move upstairs full-time. The problem with Holmgren is the same as what happened with Parcells. A guy who is only going to stick around for a few years isn't going to want to develop key positions like QB. That's how we ended up without Forehead. With the almost certainty that we will need to draft a QB to try to find a halfway decent QB to lead the offense, the last thing we need is a head coach who isn't committed to developing a young QB a la Parcells. If we are going to bring in some guy approaching the end of his career I would rather that guy go into the GM or another management role where he can help guide the culture and a new HC. Did you read my post? I addressed that. Let Holmgren come is as GM/HC/VP or whatever you want to call it and draft his QB, be hands on for a few years and turn things over to whoever he wants and let him move upstairs. Obviously the next HC would be philosophically aligned with Holmgren therefore it would not be that big of a transition for a QB. Holmgren has a history of developing QBs and not just top-of-the-draft QBs. Favre was a second-rounder and Hasselbeck was a 6th rounder. Obviously Cleveland is a black-eye for him but he wasn't hands-on and it was Cleveland ffs.
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Post by i against i on Dec 4, 2014 20:22:56 GMT -5
Would love to pry DeCosta but i think he's primed for Ozzie's seat when he's ready to retire.
I'd settle on Brian Xanders GM - I want a history of a consistent contender and a record of drafting well,which he did while in Denver,and there's rumors he's doing the same, and not GM Mayhew, in Detroit.
Frank Reich HC This begins the Mike McCoy coaching tree.
Jason Campbell QB Sign for a year and for nothing. Draft a QB - maybe a Cook, Grayson or Wallace late but i'd like Amari Cooper at #5 if we miss out on the Duck.
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Post by Touchable on Dec 4, 2014 20:27:27 GMT -5
DeCosta is a pipedream
Ozzie has been grooming him for years. The Ravens even made him one of the highest paid executives in the league 2-3 years ago to ensure that he would stick around until Ozzie steps down.
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Post by rexneffect on Dec 5, 2014 0:35:17 GMT -5
The problem with Holmgren is the same as what happened with Parcells. A guy who is only going to stick around for a few years isn't going to want to develop key positions like QB. That's how we ended up without Forehead. With the almost certainty that we will need to draft a QB to try to find a halfway decent QB to lead the offense, the last thing we need is a head coach who isn't committed to developing a young QB a la Parcells. If we are going to bring in some guy approaching the end of his career I would rather that guy go into the GM or another management role where he can help guide the culture and a new HC. Did you read my post? I addressed that. Let Holmgren come is as GM/HC/VP or whatever you want to call it and draft his QB, be hands on for a few years and turn things over to whoever he wants and let him move upstairs. Obviously the next HC would be philosophically aligned with Holmgren therefore it would not be that big of a transition for a QB. Holmgren has a history of developing QBs and not just top-of-the-draft QBs. Favre was a second-rounder and Hasselbeck was a 6th rounder. Obviously Cleveland is a black-eye for him but he wasn't hands-on and it was Cleveland ffs. I understand that but at 66 he may come in with the attitude of Parcells that his days of molding QBs is over and he wants somebody already developed. I guess you make his hiring contingent upon him agreeing to develop a QB but if his heart isn't in it then he's probably not the right pick either way. At 66 he may not even want to coach anymore. If he's willing to come in as an adviser to the QB coach or some office position then I'm down for it.
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