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Post by HawkeyeJet on Feb 22, 2015 17:48:22 GMT -5
It's interesting the skew between football type people and fans. Most football type people say WR should be way down on the list. Most fans want a WR. Intriguing discussion. Calvin Johnson and Dez Bryant and AJ Green are the 3 best Wrs in football. All 3 have serviceable QBs. Dez has a top 10 QB. Megatron a borderline top 10 type. None of those teams have come close to winning anything. You basically have to go back to Michael Irvin and Jerry Rice to find an elite WR on a SuperBowl champ. That's closing in on 20 years ago. There have been some good WRs with rings since then, but the Jets already have decent WRs. So what "football people" advocate drafting inferior prospects just because a certain position is "way down on the list", whatever that means? That's a pretty absurd notion. Well it's quite possible some of these non receivers aren't inferior prospects.
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Post by sec.101row23 on Feb 22, 2015 18:06:07 GMT -5
So what "football people" advocate drafting inferior prospects just because a certain position is "way down on the list", whatever that means? That's a pretty absurd notion. Well it's quite possible some of these non receivers aren't inferior prospects. Maybe so, but to eliminate WR all together is foolish. Which O lineman are you taking over one of the top 3 WRs?
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Post by choon328 on Feb 22, 2015 18:35:45 GMT -5
Keeping Harvin or not has nothing to do with drafting a WR 6th overall. Harvin is NOT an outside WR and he never will be. I think he will flourish in Gailey's system b/c his system gets the ball in the players hands and lets them create YAC. It's a perfect setup for Harvin who will most likely play 90% in the slot and the other 10% in the backfield to create mismatches with LBers. The Jets will still need a WR opposite Decker. And instead of giving an average player like Crabtee $8 million per year they can draft a WR with #1 potential for far less money. OLB is easier to address in FA this year anyway.
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Post by Paradis on Feb 22, 2015 19:05:17 GMT -5
It's interesting the skew between football type people and fans. Most football type people say WR should be way down on the list. Most fans want a WR. Intriguing discussion. Calvin Johnson and Dez Bryant and AJ Green are the 3 best Wrs in football. All 3 have serviceable QBs. Dez has a top 10 QB. Megatron a borderline top 10 type. None of those teams have come close to winning anything. You basically have to go back to Michael Irvin and Jerry Rice to find an elite WR on a SuperBowl champ. That's closing in on 20 years ago. There have been some good WRs with rings since then, but the Jets already have decent WRs. You're conveniently leaving out D. Thomas, but I get your point. What i'm saying is that most of these A-list WRs are taken in the top 15 selections of the NFL draft, and over the last 15 years the usual suspects have been picking from those selections. There's no doubt, QB play ultimately trumps everything - and those QBs keep their respective teams (in recent years) from selecting these WRs. Great WRs can only do so much with sub-par QB play. It's a matrix of course, but I don't think it's as black and white as you're portraying.... tack on to that, that this year's best prospects are at WR, and there's no reason why we ought not consider them.
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Post by HawkeyeJet on Feb 22, 2015 19:54:29 GMT -5
I should clarify, that I'm saying all things equal, I don't think we should take a WR ahead of OL or Edge Rusher. If the WR prospect was head and shoulders above everyone else, then sure, but I don't think that's the case here. Just my opinion.
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Post by DowNY on Feb 22, 2015 22:43:32 GMT -5
If we have no Harvin & added no WR, we better be looking at Cooper, White, Parker & DGB. I would trade our 2nd & others to move up to draft DGB either way to be honest. Too much potential.
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Post by Paradis on Feb 23, 2015 1:19:15 GMT -5
I should clarify, that I'm saying all things equal, I don't think we should take a WR ahead of OL or Edge Rusher. If the WR prospect was head and shoulders above everyone else, then sure, but I don't think that's the case here. Just my opinion. Are you suggesting that Scherff is a better Oline prospect, than Parker/Cooper/White are at WR? I'd like you to elaborate... you've made some pretty snarky remarks about me being a "fucking moron" and things of that nature. I'm not trying to set you up for ridicule, but i can't imagine who you are referring to at OLB or Oline... i'd love for you to put some names down. Because the way i see it, Von Miller was a better prospect at OLB than Parker is as a WR... but we're not looking at Von Miller, are we? So please, educate me.
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Post by HawkeyeJet on Feb 23, 2015 10:04:31 GMT -5
I should clarify, that I'm saying all things equal, I don't think we should take a WR ahead of OL or Edge Rusher. If the WR prospect was head and shoulders above everyone else, then sure, but I don't think that's the case here. Just my opinion. Are you suggesting that Scherff is a better Oline prospect, than Parker/Cooper/White are at WR? I'd like you to elaborate... you've made some pretty snarky remarks about me being a "fucking moron" and things of that nature. I'm not trying to set you up for ridicule, but i can't imagine who you are referring to at OLB or Oline... i'd love for you to put some names down. Because the way i see it, Von Miller was a better prospect at OLB than Parker is as a WR... but we're not looking at Von Miller, are we? So please, educate me. I said nothing about Scherff, or about you being a fucking moron. So chill the fuck out you baby. I will now though. You walk around this board and the last board like you are some keen eye for talent. You aren't. Get the fuck over yourself. If you don't think Fowler or Beasley or Scherff or Collins are in the same league as Parker, then more power to you. Lots of people would disagree.
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Post by Augustiniak on Feb 23, 2015 10:35:01 GMT -5
the best thing that's happened in the combine is that the defensive players are nailing it. teams like tenn, jax and wash will all be tempted to take them. i think the most exciting 10 minutes in jets draft recent history would be if both mariotta and white are available, and it's reported that teams are trying to trade with them. welcome to new york, new gm.
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Post by nolenation on Feb 23, 2015 10:52:37 GMT -5
It's interesting the skew between football type people and fans. Most football type people say WR should be way down on the list. Most fans want a WR. Intriguing discussion. Calvin Johnson and Dez Bryant and AJ Green are the 3 best Wrs in football. All 3 have serviceable QBs. Dez has a top 10 QB. Megatron a borderline top 10 type. None of those teams have come close to winning anything. You basically have to go back to Michael Irvin and Jerry Rice to find an elite WR on a SuperBowl champ. That's closing in on 20 years ago. There have been some good WRs with rings since then, but the Jets already have decent WRs. The jets have too many holes to cherry pick. Take the best available. We can pretty much use any position outside of rb, dline, and safety. Those would be a luxury. Everything else this team can use an upgrade. Wrong answer, buddy boy. Try again.
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Post by nolenation on Feb 23, 2015 10:53:58 GMT -5
Are you suggesting that Scherff is a better Oline prospect, than Parker/Cooper/White are at WR? I'd like you to elaborate... you've made some pretty snarky remarks about me being a "fucking moron" and things of that nature. I'm not trying to set you up for ridicule, but i can't imagine who you are referring to at OLB or Oline... i'd love for you to put some names down. Because the way i see it, Von Miller was a better prospect at OLB than Parker is as a WR... but we're not looking at Von Miller, are we? So please, educate me. I said nothing about Scherff, or about you being a fucking moron. So chill the fuck out you baby. I will now though. You walk around this board and the last board like you are some keen eye for talent. You aren't. Get the fuck over yourself. If you don't think Fowler or Beasley or Scherff or Collins are in the same league as Parker, then more power to you. Lots of people would disagree. LOL. You mad, brah? You need to take a trip on the waaaaaaaaaaaaaaambulance.
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Post by HawkeyeJet on Feb 23, 2015 10:57:53 GMT -5
I said nothing about Scherff, or about you being a fucking moron. So chill the fuck out you baby. I will now though. You walk around this board and the last board like you are some keen eye for talent. You aren't. Get the fuck over yourself. If you don't think Fowler or Beasley or Scherff or Collins are in the same league as Parker, then more power to you. Lots of people would disagree. LOL. You mad, brah? You need to take a trip on the waaaaaaaaaaaaaaambulance. Hey man. Haven't seen you in awhile. Hope you are well.
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Post by Paradis on Feb 23, 2015 12:53:46 GMT -5
Are you suggesting that Scherff is a better Oline prospect, than Parker/Cooper/White are at WR? I'd like you to elaborate... you've made some pretty snarky remarks about me being a "fucking moron" and things of that nature. I'm not trying to set you up for ridicule, but i can't imagine who you are referring to at OLB or Oline... i'd love for you to put some names down. Because the way i see it, Von Miller was a better prospect at OLB than Parker is as a WR... but we're not looking at Von Miller, are we? So please, educate me. I said nothing about Scherff, or about you being a fucking moron. So chill the fuck out you baby. I will now though. You walk around this board and the last board like you are some keen eye for talent. You aren't. Get the fuck over yourself. If you don't think Fowler or Beasley or Scherff or Collins are in the same league as Parker, then more power to you. Lots of people would disagree. Why do you got to get all tooth and nail on me? I wasn't saying that to instigate an argument, i was genuinely asking you. You've slammed me a number of times for being very "as a matter of fact", and ya, that may just be my style. But i've never been opposed to learning... which is why I asked you for some names. Is collins a better safety than Parker is a WR? etc etc with Beasley and Fowler? Scherff? I don't see it, not by a country mile. Fowler's the only one that would warrant a discussion, but he's openly been talked about as likely to be a better pro than a college player. Cooper and Parker already hit that milestone.
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Post by choon328 on Feb 23, 2015 12:54:47 GMT -5
Well with the report out today from Tony Pauline that states league insiders are saying the Jets will be big players for big ticket CB's and OLB's via FA that seems to suggest, if that's true, that the Jets will not use the 6th overall pick on an OLB if they bring in one or two via FA. I obviously think that's the way to go since it'll be much easier to add defense via FA than offense.
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Post by HawkeyeJet on Feb 23, 2015 13:44:41 GMT -5
Well it's quite possible some of these non receivers aren't inferior prospects. Maybe so, but to eliminate WR all together is foolish. Which O lineman are you taking over one of the top 3 WRs? I would likely take Collins and Scherff ahead of Parker for sure, possibly Cooper as well. I'd take Fowler for sure ahead of Cooper and Parker, possibly White. I'd likely take Beasely ahead of Parker. I personally think Gregory has big bust potential, but I'd have to take him at 6 over any of them except maybe Fowler.
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