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Post by HawkeyeJet on Feb 22, 2015 11:11:38 GMT -5
If you are on Twitter, I suggest reading his timeline on the matter. He doesn't get into too much insight, but says you can never have enough Pass Rushers. He also says elite WRs are luxury. I whole heartedly agree with him. I think the Jets would be crazy to take a WR at 6.
Someone else mentioned on his timeline that the last 5 SB champs had #1 WRs of Edlemen, Tate, Boldin, Victor Cruz and Greg Jennings.
I personally hope the Jets go Mariota at 6, but if they go Beasley or Fowler or OL, I'd be perfectly fine. WR should not be the pick.
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Post by choon328 on Feb 22, 2015 11:46:20 GMT -5
What he fails to mention is who the QB's were on those teams. Bc when you have a top 10 Qb you typically can get away with having no big time that at WR. When you gave a young bottom 1/4th Qb you want to surround him with the most talent you can to make his job that much easier. In Bowles system, where he blitzed more than any other defense in the league last year by a wide margin, I think a true pass rusher isn't as necessary as other teams bc he manufacturers the rush by blitzing. I don't think the Jets will let Cooper, Kevin White or Parker get passed them at 6. That are all perfect compliments to Decker.
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Post by rvajet815 on Feb 22, 2015 11:57:26 GMT -5
You're absolutely right, Hawkeye. Unfortunately the media (and therefore the SOJ fans) will be on the warpath if the Jets go defense again. I'd still not be a fan of a Mariota selection, but Fowler or Beasley would be more than fine with me.
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Post by HawkeyeJet on Feb 22, 2015 12:10:46 GMT -5
What he fails to mention is who the QB's were on those teams. Bc when you have a top 10 Qb you typically can get away with having no big time that at WR. When you gave a young bottom 1/4th Qb you want to surround him with the most talent you can to make his job that much easier. In Bowles system, where he blitzed more than any other defense in the league last year by a wide margin, I think a true pass rusher isn't as necessary as other teams bc he manufacturers the rush by blitzing. I don't think the Jets will let Cooper, Kevin White or Parker get passed them at 6. That are all perfect compliments to Decker. Disagree on about everything you said. |
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Post by ryu79 on Feb 22, 2015 12:24:43 GMT -5
Depends on what we do in FA but with a class this strong at wr, coming away empty would be a huge dissappointment to me.
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Post by sec.101row23 on Feb 22, 2015 12:31:44 GMT -5
I'm not sure how you can say you won't draft a WR at 6 at this point. Plus there isn't one O lineman in this draft that would be better value at 6 than any of the top 3 WRs. I could definitely live with Fowler, but there isn't any way I rule out WR right now, that's just foolish.
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Post by Dcat on Feb 22, 2015 12:39:37 GMT -5
What he fails to mention is who the QB's were on those teams. Bc when you have a top 10 Qb you typically can get away with having no big time that at WR. When you gave a young bottom 1/4th Qb you want to surround him with the most talent you can to make his job that much easier. In Bowles system, where he blitzed more than any other defense in the league last year by a wide margin, I think a true pass rusher isn't as necessary as other teams bc he manufacturers the rush by blitzing. I don't think the Jets will let Cooper, Kevin White or Parker get passed them at 6. That are all perfect compliments to Decker. Only if we dump Harvin |
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Post by Paradis on Feb 22, 2015 12:41:44 GMT -5
the notion of "look at the last few superbowl winning teams"... serves only one purposes, showcasing the QBs. Rodgers, Manning, Brady, Roth have part of like 75% of the superbowls over the last decade and half. Those teams rarely ever pick in a position to land Julio, or Dez, or AJ, etc.
We have to go with the best player available... and thus far, there isn't many prospect better than the WRs available. Shane Ray is about the only individual on defense that would be in that discussion.
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Post by HawkeyeJet on Feb 22, 2015 13:20:43 GMT -5
It's interesting the skew between football type people and fans. Most football type people say WR should be way down on the list. Most fans want a WR.
Intriguing discussion.
Calvin Johnson and Dez Bryant and AJ Green are the 3 best Wrs in football. All 3 have serviceable QBs. Dez has a top 10 QB. Megatron a borderline top 10 type.
None of those teams have come close to winning anything. You basically have to go back to Michael Irvin and Jerry Rice to find an elite WR on a SuperBowl champ. That's closing in on 20 years ago. There have been some good WRs with rings since then, but the Jets already have decent WRs.
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Post by ash1962 on Feb 22, 2015 13:27:27 GMT -5
What we need are STARS who bring SPEED with them. We have been so bereft of star power and speed it has been sickening. Percy Harvin is our star? R U kidding me? While Percy is fast and brings the speed element to the game, he is not a #1 or 2 WR. and he is definitely not a star.
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Post by Harrier on Feb 22, 2015 14:35:13 GMT -5
Will we ever get a look at Shaq Evans?
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Post by MDL JET on Feb 22, 2015 14:47:30 GMT -5
It's interesting the skew between football type people and fans. Most football type people say WR should be way down on the list. Most fans want a WR. Intriguing discussion. Calvin Johnson and Dez Bryant and AJ Green are the 3 best Wrs in football. All 3 have serviceable QBs. Dez has a top 10 QB. Megatron a borderline top 10 type. None of those teams have come close to winning anything. You basically have to go back to Michael Irvin and Jerry Rice to find an elite WR on a SuperBowl champ. That's closing in on 20 years ago. There have been some good WRs with rings since then, but the Jets already have decent WRs. The jets have too many holes to cherry pick. Take the best available. We can pretty much use any position outside of rb, dline, and safety. Those would be a luxury. Everything else this team can use an upgrade. |
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Post by rangerous on Feb 22, 2015 15:47:06 GMT -5
What he fails to mention is who the QB's were on those teams. Bc when you have a top 10 Qb you typically can get away with having no big time that at WR. When you gave a young bottom 1/4th Qb you want to surround him with the most talent you can to make his job that much easier. In Bowles system, where he blitzed more than any other defense in the league last year by a wide margin, I think a true pass rusher isn't as necessary as other teams bc he manufacturers the rush by blitzing. I don't think the Jets will let Cooper, Kevin White or Parker get passed them at 6. That are all perfect compliments to Decker. but when you have a geno it doesn't matter. they could have maynard, and sauer as wr's and geno would still fail to get them the ball. |
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Post by sadface on Feb 22, 2015 16:06:47 GMT -5
i tend to agree with Woody, but then again who was the dynamite passrusher on the Pats? the Seahawks ate shit when Avril left the game but generally its their secondary that wins the game. then you consider Bowles' history with getting the most out of lesser talent, and you even out the argument for taking one position over the other. you also have to consider the depth of that position in the draft. i'd say WR and passrusher are equal needs. let's go with BPA.
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Post by sec.101row23 on Feb 22, 2015 17:18:13 GMT -5
It's interesting the skew between football type people and fans. Most football type people say WR should be way down on the list. Most fans want a WR. Intriguing discussion. Calvin Johnson and Dez Bryant and AJ Green are the 3 best Wrs in football. All 3 have serviceable QBs. Dez has a top 10 QB. Megatron a borderline top 10 type. None of those teams have come close to winning anything. You basically have to go back to Michael Irvin and Jerry Rice to find an elite WR on a SuperBowl champ. That's closing in on 20 years ago. There have been some good WRs with rings since then, but the Jets already have decent WRs. So what "football people" advocate drafting inferior prospects just because a certain position is "way down on the list", whatever that means? That's a pretty absurd notion. |
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