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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Feb 23, 2015 11:25:03 GMT -5
If we dont take 1 of the 2 top rated QB's, would you be pissed if #7 is under center week 1? I'd be pissed if he didn't start if we took one of the top two at 6. He played well over his last 5 games and why push a raw QB whos not ready to play into games. Didnt work real well in the past for us. Its way to easy to just say he sucks, I'll be pissed without thinking |
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Post by vicmill on Feb 23, 2015 13:52:12 GMT -5
For those saying that they don't want Geno, who is the realistic option you have in mind that gives a high likelihood of a better record in 2015 and helps the program in 2016 and beyond? Its really easy to say get someone better than Geno, but if you saying that you need to have an alternative. if you are thinking about starting a rookie QB, I hope your expectations are not higher than 4-12. If they are, you are just fooling yourself. |
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Post by Stark on Feb 23, 2015 16:10:54 GMT -5
For those saying that they don't want Geno, who is the realistic option you have in mind that gives a high likelihood of a better record in 2015 and helps the program in 2016 and beyond? Its really easy to say get someone better than Geno, but if you saying that you need to have an alternative. if you are thinking about starting a rookie QB, I hope your expectations are not higher than 4-12. If they are, you are just fooling yourself. I would be willing to bet that either Winston or Mariota could win more games than geno on the JETS. Have you watched Geno play? Just on odds alone surely either would be better than the 2nd worst starting QB in the NFL. |
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Post by jetstream23 on Feb 23, 2015 16:51:21 GMT -5
If he earns it I'm perfectly fine with it. There's no doubt that Geno has been a mess most of the time as a starter. But there's also no doubt that there is some talent there and we've seen some glimpses of high quality QB play. The fact that he played a game with a 0.0 QB rating last year...and one with a perfect 158.6 rating is a testament to the enigma that is Geno Smith.
Let's hope that the 3rd year is the charm and that a new Coach and system can light the spark that gets him going. Yes, I'm not confident it will happen either, but there's always a chance.
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Post by Bing© in Buffalo Chairman on Feb 23, 2015 17:38:03 GMT -5
id be a little upset
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Post by Jetworks on Feb 23, 2015 18:03:55 GMT -5
Yes.
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Post by vicmill on Feb 24, 2015 17:12:32 GMT -5
For those saying that they don't want Geno, who is the realistic option you have in mind that gives a high likelihood of a better record in 2015 and helps the program in 2016 and beyond? Its really easy to say get someone better than Geno, but if you saying that you need to have an alternative. if you are thinking about starting a rookie QB, I hope your expectations are not higher than 4-12. If they are, you are just fooling yourself. I would be willing to bet that either Winston or Mariota could win more games than geno on the JETS. Have you watched Geno play? Just on odds alone surely either would be better than the 2nd worst starting QB in the NFL. I would take that bet, but it doesn't even look like either one of them will be there at 6. Rookie QBs are generally not very good, even those selected at the top of the first round. Maybe Winston or Marriotta is the exception, but I don't think that is likely.
Geno has looked horrible at times and pretty good at times, which describes most first and second year QBs. Other than Luck, RG III and Wilson, who are the rookie QBs over the last 10-15 years that make you think that these first year QBs are going to be better than Geno? I think its possible that in his third year, Geno takes a step forward. However, its also possible he takes a step backward. No way to tell, but I think he's got a higher likelilood of success than any of the available alternatives.
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Feb 24, 2015 17:32:01 GMT -5
For those saying that they don't want Geno, who is the realistic option you have in mind that gives a high likelihood of a better record in 2015 and helps the program in 2016 and beyond? Its really easy to say get someone better than Geno, but if you saying that you need to have an alternative. if you are thinking about starting a rookie QB, I hope your expectations are not higher than 4-12. If they are, you are just fooling yourself. I would be willing to bet that either Winston or Mariota could win more games than geno on the JETS. Have you watched Geno play? Just on odds alone surely either would be better than the 2nd worst starting QB in the NFL. Sign me up for that bet. Geno played well after his benching. Especially if your throw out that fucked up Miami game where he wasn't allowed to throw. He want the problem the last 5 or so games. Rookies cost games, football 101 |
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Post by Stark on Feb 25, 2015 11:10:13 GMT -5
The point is Geno losses games for us and may as well be a rookie. Football 101
Saying rookies lose and/or cost games is true. Geno is not the guy. His last 5 games that you cited as not the reason we lost were average at best. The point is you can have Geno as your guy. I am just pointing out the fact that he has been nothing but an mistake prone QB who tends to make mental mistakes as much as any other rookie QB. Unfortunately there is not way to actually have a fair way to compare since all three QBs could not be on the JETS and us to be able to know, but take what you have seen and what you know about Geno’s play and it should be obvious that he is completely replaceable and should be.
Of QB’s that Qualified
2014: Geno is the 2nd worse QB (RNK 29) in the NFL the only QB worse, Blake Bortles and playing in Jax is explaining enough.
Rookie QB’s better than Geno - Teddy Bridgewater, Derek Carr
2013: Geno is the 4 worst qualified QB (RNK 28)
Rookie Qb’s better - EJ Manuel
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Post by Slackjaw on Feb 25, 2015 11:15:02 GMT -5
I'm upset just reading the title of this thread
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Feb 25, 2015 12:18:25 GMT -5
The point is Geno losses games for us and may as well be a rookie. Football 101 Saying rookies lose and/or cost games is true. Geno is not the guy. His last 5 games that you cited as not the reason we lost were average at best. The point is you can have Geno as your guy. I am just pointing out the fact that he has been nothing but an mistake prone QB who tends to make mental mistakes as much as any other rookie QB. Unfortunately there is not way to actually have a fair way to compare since all three QBs could not be on the JETS and us to be able to know, but take what you have seen and what you know about Geno’s play and it should be obvious that he is completely replaceable and should be. Of QB’s that Qualified 2014: Geno is the 2nd worse QB (RNK 29) in the NFL the only QB worse, Blake Bortles and playing in Jax is explaining enough. Rookie QB’s better than Geno - Teddy Bridgewater, Derek Carr 2013: Geno is the 4 worst qualified QB (RNK 28) Rookie Qb’s better - EJ Manuel Except he was a lot better than average at best over those last 4 to 5 games. His QB rating that you used for the whole season over his last 5 games was 90 or so. His last 4, 100. Hes had less that 2 full seasons on his resume. As bad as it is there are no absolutes yet. As Jets fans even that is clouded |
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Post by fullblast on Feb 25, 2015 12:21:46 GMT -5
It is what it is breh.
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Post by Stark on Feb 25, 2015 12:44:06 GMT -5
The point is Geno losses games for us and may as well be a rookie. Football 101 Saying rookies lose and/or cost games is true. Geno is not the guy. His last 5 games that you cited as not the reason we lost were average at best. The point is you can have Geno as your guy. I am just pointing out the fact that he has been nothing but an mistake prone QB who tends to make mental mistakes as much as any other rookie QB. Unfortunately there is not way to actually have a fair way to compare since all three QBs could not be on the JETS and us to be able to know, but take what you have seen and what you know about Geno’s play and it should be obvious that he is completely replaceable and should be. Of QB’s that Qualified 2014: Geno is the 2nd worse QB (RNK 29) in the NFL the only QB worse, Blake Bortles and playing in Jax is explaining enough. Rookie QB’s better than Geno - Teddy Bridgewater, Derek Carr 2013: Geno is the 4 worst qualified QB (RNK 28) Rookie Qb’s better - EJ Manuel Except he was a lot better than average at best over those last 4 to 5 games. His QB rating that you used for the whole season over his last 5 games was 90 or so. His last 4, 100. Hes had less that 2 full seasons on his resume. As bad as it is there are no absolutes yet. As Jets fans even that is clouded Last I checked the NFL is played on a season schedule not the best 4 to 5 games you can look at in a vacuum. The point was that a rookie QB could play as good or better and win as many or more games than GENO over a full season. Any and every team should be trying to get better.
Could we do better than Geno? I believe the answer is yes, and just from watching him this shouldn't be too hard to agree with. Any fan should have higher expectations than the 29th, 28th best QB in a 32 team league. You can choose to go into the season happy with him as the starter if it comes to that, but I won't. As Fullblast said: it is what it is breh |
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Feb 25, 2015 15:51:41 GMT -5
Except he was a lot better than average at best over those last 4 to 5 games. His QB rating that you used for the whole season over his last 5 games was 90 or so. His last 4, 100. Hes had less that 2 full seasons on his resume. As bad as it is there are no absolutes yet. As Jets fans even that is clouded Last I checked the NFL is played on a season schedule not the best 4 to 5 games you can look at in a vacuum. The point was that a rookie QB could play as good or better and win as many or more games than GENO over a full season. Any and every team should be trying to get better.
Could we do better than Geno? I believe the answer is yes, and just from watching him this shouldn't be too hard to agree with. Any fan should have higher expectations than the 29th, 28th best QB in a 32 team league. You can choose to go into the season happy with him as the starter if it comes to that, but I won't. As Fullblast said: it is what it is breh You're having a hard time with this thread. first off, no one asked or said they wanted him to be the QB forever. It was to start the season. I was of the mindset he starts while his replacement was learning the game. secondly I said he played well after his benching. You then argued that he didn't now that it wasn't a full season. No shit. Never said it was. But he showed fucking improvement. You don't give a shit that he improved, just want to move on. Easy choice that takes. O thought, move on to an unknown, it just has to be better. |
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Post by greenreaper on Feb 25, 2015 16:13:44 GMT -5
Nah...no gun sucking or whip flagellations if Geno has to start.
Jets won't get Winston. Hope Chip Kelly offers Jets the Farm for Mariota if he's there at #6. And maybe Chip throws in Foles. Then take Petty, Hundley or Grayson in a later round.
if no Foles...get a veteran FA QB (if necessary use a dart board) to compete with Geno for starting position. Start Geno by default...if you missed the dart board completely.
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