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Post by Harrier on Feb 25, 2015 16:13:56 GMT -5
Last I checked the NFL is played on a season schedule not the best 4 to 5 games you can look at in a vacuum. The point was that a rookie QB could play as good or better and win as many or more games than GENO over a full season. Any and every team should be trying to get better.
Could we do better than Geno? I believe the answer is yes, and just from watching him this shouldn't be too hard to agree with. Any fan should have higher expectations than the 29th, 28th best QB in a 32 team league. You can choose to go into the season happy with him as the starter if it comes to that, but I won't. As Fullblast said: it is what it is breh You're having a hard time with this thread. first off, no one asked or said they wanted him to be the QB forever. It was to start the season. I was of the mindset he starts while his replacement was learning the game. secondly I said he played well after his benching. You then argued that he didn't now that it wasn't a full season. No shit. Never said it was. But he showed fucking improvement. You don't give a shit that he improved, just want to move on. Easy choice that takes. O thought, move on to an unknown, it just has to be better. Best case scenario is we draft Mariota and sit him, give Geno 6 games to see what he has behind a solid o-line and some major weapons. Geno has shown flashes but until he can do it on a consistent basis you can't trust him, let him start and the heir apparent learn his craft.
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Post by rangerous on Feb 25, 2015 16:51:24 GMT -5
If he earns it I'm perfectly fine with it. There's no doubt that Geno has been a mess most of the time as a starter. But there's also no doubt that there is some talent there and we've seen some glimpses of high quality QB play. The fact that he played a game with a 0.0 QB rating last year...and one with a perfect 158.6 rating is a testament to the enigma that is Geno Smith. Let's hope that the 3rd year is the charm and that a new Coach and system can light the spark that gets him going. Yes, I'm not confident it will happen either, but there's always a chance. the fact that they were playing a very depressed doltfin team has a lot to do with his perfect qbr too. geno personally lost 3 games last season. by this i mean it was his mistakes alone like when he threw the 3 picks in his first three plays or threw a pick six on his first pass, etc. teams simply can not play every friggin game from behind because the qb is sucking the place up so bad.
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Post by rangerous on Feb 25, 2015 16:55:19 GMT -5
The point is Geno losses games for us and may as well be a rookie. Football 101 Saying rookies lose and/or cost games is true. Geno is not the guy. His last 5 games that you cited as not the reason we lost were average at best. The point is you can have Geno as your guy. I am just pointing out the fact that he has been nothing but an mistake prone QB who tends to make mental mistakes as much as any other rookie QB. Unfortunately there is not way to actually have a fair way to compare since all three QBs could not be on the JETS and us to be able to know, but take what you have seen and what you know about Geno’s play and it should be obvious that he is completely replaceable and should be. Of QB’s that Qualified 2014: Geno is the 2nd worse QB (RNK 29) in the NFL the only QB worse, Blake Bortles and playing in Jax is explaining enough. Rookie QB’s better than Geno - Teddy Bridgewater, Derek Carr 2013: Geno is the 4 worst qualified QB (RNK 28) Rookie Qb’s better - EJ Manuel and you can always make the excuse that the jets oc's are bad or they don't have the receivers or the oline is going down hill etc. but when a qb comes out and throws 3 picks in succession or fumbles in the first quarter or throws an early pick six or throws an int while throwing for a td then it becomes painfully evident that the qb is the problem and not necessarily all those around him. last season they had a decent receiving corp before harvin and it just got better. what didn't get better? g-e-n-o.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Feb 25, 2015 17:22:12 GMT -5
If he earns it I'm perfectly fine with it. There's no doubt that Geno has been a mess most of the time as a starter. But there's also no doubt that there is some talent there and we've seen some glimpses of high quality QB play. The fact that he played a game with a 0.0 QB rating last year...and one with a perfect 158.6 rating is a testament to the enigma that is Geno Smith. Let's hope that the 3rd year is the charm and that a new Coach and system can light the spark that gets him going. Yes, I'm not confident it will happen either, but there's always a chance. the fact that they were playing a very depressed doltfin team has a lot to do with his perfect qbr too. geno personally lost 3 games last season. by this i mean it was his mistakes alone like when he threw the 3 picks in his first three plays or threw a pick six on his first pass, etc. teams simply can not play every friggin game from behind because the qb is sucking the place up so bad. Not to mention that Geno's "improvement" is always after he has personally eliminated us from the playoffs and there is no pressure anymore to perform. These are not "flashes" or "improvement" it's showing he can't handle the big stage. He also always "improves" when the defense is softer; his limitations are very apparent with no reason to think they will change.
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Post by greenreaper on Feb 25, 2015 20:56:59 GMT -5
the fact that they were playing a very depressed doltfin team has a lot to do with his perfect qbr too. geno personally lost 3 games last season. by this i mean it was his mistakes alone like when he threw the 3 picks in his first three plays or threw a pick six on his first pass, etc. teams simply can not play every friggin game from behind because the qb is sucking the place up so bad. Not to mention that Geno's "improvement" is always after he has personally eliminated us from the playoffs and there is no pressure anymore to perform. These are not "flashes" or "improvement" it's showing he can't handle the big stage. He also always "improves" when the defense is softer; his limitations are very apparent with no reason to think they will change. You also forgot to mention that he plays lights out in Miami in front of 50-75 family members and friends. That's how Geno ended his season the last two years. Maybe Jets should reserve 75 tickets for all 16 games this season and fly the Geno Horde to every one of them. Woody should let them into his private luxury box and do high fives and spray the bubbly stuff with them...as Geno completes a perfect QBR season. It only takes a Geno Horde cheering at the games...to make him a franchise QB.
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Feb 25, 2015 23:19:02 GMT -5
You're having a hard time with this thread. first off, no one asked or said they wanted him to be the QB forever. It was to start the season. I was of the mindset he starts while his replacement was learning the game. secondly I said he played well after his benching. You then argued that he didn't now that it wasn't a full season. No shit. Never said it was. But he showed fucking improvement. You don't give a shit that he improved, just want to move on. Easy choice that takes. O thought, move on to an unknown, it just has to be better. Best case scenario is we draft Mariota and sit him, give Geno 6 games to see what he has behind a solid o-line and some major weapons. Geno has shown flashes but until he can do it on a consistent basis you can't trust him, let him start and the heir apparent learn his craft. Was my point exactly and why I said I would be disappointed otherwise. He he has shown flashes but not enough to go into the season with Geno the only option. If we get ridiculously lucky we wind up with two young guys who can play and trade one. Amazing that some are dense enough to argue that scenario
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Post by Stark on Feb 26, 2015 9:45:26 GMT -5
Last I checked the NFL is played on a season schedule not the best 4 to 5 games you can look at in a vacuum. The point was that a rookie QB could play as good or better and win as many or more games than GENO over a full season. Any and every team should be trying to get better.
Could we do better than Geno? I believe the answer is yes, and just from watching him this shouldn't be too hard to agree with. Any fan should have higher expectations than the 29th, 28th best QB in a 32 team league. You can choose to go into the season happy with him as the starter if it comes to that, but I won't. As Fullblast said: it is what it is breh You're having a hard time with this thread. first off, no one asked or said they wanted him to be the QB forever. It was to start the season. I was of the mindset he starts while his replacement was learning the game. secondly I said he played well after his benching. You then argued that he didn't now that it wasn't a full season. No shit. Never said it was. But he showed fucking improvement. You don't give a shit that he improved, just want to move on. Easy choice that takes. O thought, move on to an unknown, it just has to be better. Not having a hard time. Thread is: "Will you be upset if Geno starts week 1?" I said yes. It doesn't matter the reason, just my opinion. And no I don't give a shit that he improved after he was benched because it didn't matter at that point he had already cost us enough games. I said I would bet Winston or Mariota could win as many or more games on the JETS than Geno because I feel like it is the truth. Is it possible I am wrong? Could be, but to this point your boy Geno doesn't have my support as the QB of this team because I watch him play. I didn't like him coming out of college but was hopeful he could be the guy. Not any more.
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Post by Paradis on Feb 26, 2015 16:38:17 GMT -5
He'll be starting week 1, and I'm OK with that. Gailey and him are a good match... best case scenario kind of thing
Honestly, there's NOTHING out there that constitutes a better option.
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Post by nyjets1969 on Feb 26, 2015 17:14:38 GMT -5
No I will be upset if we draft another CB with the #6. I think the Jets brass knows if they pass on Mariota if he is available they have only 2 options draft Mariota or trade back to the Eagle pick up Foles 2 firsts and 2 2nd round picks. Anything else and it could get extremely ugly for the new GM after Geno starts throwing picks it could get to being chased out of NY if they pass on Mariota and he does good and Geno sucks like last year.
I think they know they have no choice but to draft Mariota if he falls to them. They are in dangerous territory with the fan base which is clamoring for a franchise QB.
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Post by shuler82 on Mar 1, 2015 21:34:12 GMT -5
He'll be starting week 1, and I'm OK with that. Gailey and him are a good match... best case scenario kind of thing Honestly, there's NOTHING out there that constitutes a better option. This. Fuck Hoyer. Fuck Matt Moore. Ryan Fitzpatrick? Who knows what Mariota will be.. but we all know he won't be an NFL starting QB in week 1 of 2015. So who does that leave? Sadly... Geno. Gailey runs the spread. Geno will be a little more comfortable. It's season 3. Maybe things slow down a bit for him. Not expecting miracles, but there's really no other options .
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