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Post by sec.101row23 on Mar 5, 2015 10:33:06 GMT -5
Exactly. You can bet that the Rams thank God everyday that RGIII has not lived up to expectations thus far. Imagine if RGIII was legit while the Rams are dealing with their current QB issues? That's why if you do a deal, it better be for well above market value. It would ease the pain If we get Foles as part of the trade and he becomes the long term answer for us. It could, but the main point is that Foles should not be considered anything more than a 3rd round pick in this compensation package. Putting too much value on Foles would be a major mistake.
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Post by southside on Mar 5, 2015 10:39:21 GMT -5
The Jets don't even have their board set up yet and we're to believe they're already willing to just give up the 6th pick so the Eagles can get Mariota?
Sounds like the media is desperate for information and lightning rod stories that it will make up shit on the easiest narrative, a possible Oregon Duck reunion with a love affair so powerful the coach will stop at nothing to get the player. Sorry, I'm not buying it.
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Post by Harrier on Mar 5, 2015 10:45:47 GMT -5
It would ease the pain If we get Foles as part of the trade and he becomes the long term answer for us. It could, but the main point is that Foles should not be considered anything more than a 3rd round pick in this compensation package. Putting too much value on Foles would be a major mistake. I'm not fully on board with passing on Mariota, we should think ourselves lucky if he drops to us at 6 IMO, a trade is useless if we can't find a long term viable QB solution. I like what I've seen of Foles though, do you think he has a chance at developing into a franchise QB?
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Post by sec.101row23 on Mar 5, 2015 10:50:03 GMT -5
It could, but the main point is that Foles should not be considered anything more than a 3rd round pick in this compensation package. Putting too much value on Foles would be a major mistake. I'm not fully on board with passing on Mariota, we should think ourselves lucky if he drops to us at 6 IMO, a trade is useless if we can't find a long term viable QB solution. I like what I've seen of Foles though, do you think he has a chance at developing into a franchise QB? Sure he has a chance, I don't think he will be a year in, year out top 10 guy, but rather someone who is in the top half of the league.
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Post by carlito1171 on Mar 5, 2015 10:52:41 GMT -5
All those picks really won't mean dick if Mariota turns out to be a legit franchise QB and we're still floundering around with scrubs behind center. Exactly. You can bet that the Rams thank God everyday that RGIII has not lived up to expectations thus far. Imagine if RGIII was legit while the Rams are dealing with their current QB issues? That's why if you do a deal, it better be for well above market value. Yea that would be a tough pill to swallow. It better be a rape trade if it's done.
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Post by sadface on Mar 5, 2015 10:54:23 GMT -5
i'd guess that Philly is the only team where Mariotta is a sure-fire, capable starter and maybe even a great one. anywhere else he's a project. i'll take those odds and take this trade with cream leaking from my pants
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Post by sec.101row23 on Mar 5, 2015 11:02:50 GMT -5
i'd guess that Philly is the only team where Mariotta is a sure-fire, capable starter and maybe even a great one. anywhere else he's a project. i'll take those odds and take this trade with cream leaking from my pants Thats a pretty false statement on many levels. If anyone thinks that if Kelly drafts Mariotta he is simply going to run the same offense Marcus ran at Oregon, they are sadly mistaken. That OU offense is not nearly sophisticated enough to run in the NFL. Sure there will be similar concepts, but Marcus will have to make the same adjustments to the NFL in Philly as he would with any other team in the NFL.
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Post by sadface on Mar 5, 2015 11:04:46 GMT -5
i never said he'd run the same offense. Chip's inherent familiarity with Mariotta will help him adjust much faster to the NFL. you wouldn't agree that he's far more likely to succeed under his college coach than anyone else? all i'm saying is that it would be a tremendous advantage to mariotta to be drafted by kelly, and anywhere else he'll find it a bit harder to acclimate.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Mar 5, 2015 11:10:16 GMT -5
The Williams trade refers to the 1999 NFL Draft deal where the New Orleans Saints sent eight draft picks to the Washington Redskins so they could move up seven slots to the No. 5 selection to select Williams, who won the Heisman the year before as a running back at Texas. Eight picks to move up seven "slots", how could this year's first and second and next year's first and second, and a player, even come close to go from 20 to 6? Maybe Kelly can trade us Alonso, LOL. Having said that I think Chip will do anything possible to get Mariota and will trade above the Jets for him. And having said THAT, who would the Jets then take at 20 if we do do this deal?
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Post by sec.101row23 on Mar 5, 2015 11:13:13 GMT -5
i never said he'd run the same offense. Chip's inherent familiarity with Mariotta will help him adjust much faster to the NFL. you wouldn't agree that he's far more likely to succeed under his college coach than anyone else? all i'm saying is that it would be a tremendous advantage to mariotta to be drafted by kelly, and anywhere else he'll find it a bit harder to acclimate. It may be an advantage in his first year because the language may be the same, but if another team drafts Marcus and uses him in a similar offense to OU, he has the same chance of success. People need to remeber that Marcus only started for Kelly for one season before Kelly left for the NFL. I don't think Mariotta's long term success or failure hinges on him being drafted by Kelly.
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Post by kuntysoze on Mar 5, 2015 11:23:40 GMT -5
Not sure I like the idea of passing on Mariota when we are in dire need of a QB. I do like Foles though. Foles is a proven commodity who succeeded in an offense that wasn't too dissimilar to the one Gailey will likely be running. If Mariota falls, you make this deal in a heartbeat. Surround him with a few extra pieces on OL, beef up the CB situation, and draft another playmaker or two. Now we're looking at a real player in the AFC.
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Post by JetBidi on Mar 5, 2015 12:15:32 GMT -5
The Williams trade refers to the 1999 NFL Draft deal where the New Orleans Saints sent eight draft picks to the Washington Redskins so they could move up seven slots to the No. 5 selection to select Williams, who won the Heisman the year before as a running back at Texas. Eight picks to move up seven "slots", how could this year's first and second and next year's first and second, and a player, even come close to go from 20 to 6? Maybe Kelly can trade us Alonso, LOL. Having said that I think Chip will do anything possible to get Mariota and will trade above the Jets for him. And having said THAT, who would the Jets then take at 20 if we do do this deal?OL or LB or CB (unless something happens in FA). We've got plenty of spots to fill.
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Post by JetBidi on Mar 5, 2015 12:25:22 GMT -5
Why do some people talk about Mariotta like he's a can't miss prospect? He happens to be one of the top 2 QBs in a terrible QB class.
I'd take Foles and a boatload of picks if that's on the table over Mariotta. I don't think this is a Marino situation at all.
That being said, if he's there at 6 and we decide to take him, I'm fine with that too.
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Post by Touchable on Mar 5, 2015 12:26:38 GMT -5
Exactly. You can bet that the Rams thank God everyday that RGIII has not lived up to expectations thus far. Imagine if RGIII was legit while the Rams are dealing with their current QB issues? That's why if you do a deal, it better be for well above market value. It would ease the pain If we get Foles as part of the trade and he becomes the long term answer for us. Sure...but who's to say that Foles isn't simply a flash in the pan? Hell, I'd put my money on that being the case before I'd bet on him being a franchise QB for the next decade.
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Post by Touchable on Mar 5, 2015 12:30:23 GMT -5
Why do some people talk about Mariotta like he's a can't miss prospect? He happens to be one of the top 2 QBs in a terrible QB class. I'd take Foles and a boatload of picks if that's on the table over Mariotta. I don't think this is a Marino situation at all. That being said, if he's there at 6 and we decide to take him, I'm fine with that too. I literally haven't seen one person say that Mariota is a can't miss prospect. And really...who cares? The Andrew Luck's and John Elway's come out of college once every 20-30 years and you don't have a shot in hell at drafting them unless you have the #1 overall pick during that given year.
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