|
Post by choon328 on Mar 5, 2015 14:56:05 GMT -5
i'd guess that Philly is the only team where Mariotta is a sure-fire, capable starter and maybe even a great one. anywhere else he's a project. i'll take those odds and take this trade with cream leaking from my pants Thats a pretty false statement on many levels. If anyone thinks that if Kelly drafts Mariotta he is simply going to run the same offense Marcus ran at Oregon, they are sadly mistaken. That OU offense is not nearly sophisticated enough to run in the NFL. Sure there will be similar concepts, but Marcus will have to make the same adjustments to the NFL in Philly as he would with any other team in the NFL. He does run the same offense as Oregon. And having a rookie QB already know all of the intricacies of the offense, the verbiage, the reads etc. is a huge advantage over a rookie QB coming in and trying to learn a whole new offense. He will still have to adjust to the speed of the game and the new defenses he will face but even with that his knowledge of the offense will slow things down for him a lot quicker than a normal rookie QB. Huge huge huge advantage.
|
|
|
Post by sec.101row23 on Mar 5, 2015 14:58:05 GMT -5
It may be an advantage in his first year because the language may be the same, but if another team drafts Marcus and uses him in a similar offense to OU, he has the same chance of success. People need to remeber that Marcus only started for Kelly for one season before Kelly left for the NFL. I don't think Mariotta's long term success or failure hinges on him being drafted by Kelly. Same exact offense though. So in reality he played in that Eagles system for 3 years as a starter. Except the Eagles system is not the same system that Oregon runs. Similiar but different. If you think it is the same offense then you haven't really watched either of them.
|
|
|
Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Mar 5, 2015 15:58:56 GMT -5
If the player is Foles and the picks include their first next year as well as additional picks this year, the Jets have to do it. I am very high on Mariota too. With their cap space and potential additional draft picks, the Jets could be back to respectability in short order. This could just as easily be a smoke screen too to try and get Mariota at 6. Except telling the world that you'll trade the pick to the Eagles might get the Rams Orr the Browns, if theyre shopping for a QB to trade with a team ahead of us. Guess it it could help or hurt our chances.
|
|
|
Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Mar 5, 2015 16:01:22 GMT -5
It would ease the pain If we get Foles as part of the trade and he becomes the long term answer for us. Sure...but who's to say that Foles isn't simply a flash in the pan? Hell, I'd put my money on that being the case before I'd bet on him being a franchise QB for the next decade. And still the odds of Foles becoming a franchise QB are higher than Mariotta becoming one. Ods dis are going to be long that Mariotta ever has a year like Foles had two seasons back.
|
|
|
Post by heymangold on Mar 5, 2015 19:16:38 GMT -5
Sure...but who's to say that Foles isn't simply a flash in the pan? Hell, I'd put my money on that being the case before I'd bet on him being a franchise QB for the next decade. And still the odds of Foles becoming a franchise QB are higher than Mariotta becoming one. Ods dis are going to be long that Mariotta ever has a year like Foles had two seasons back. How so? We've seen Foles play, and in limited action last year, he wasn't that great. We don't know what Mariota will be in the pros. And can we please spell the God damn kids name right? it's MARIOTA.
|
|
|
Post by Touchable on Mar 5, 2015 20:01:22 GMT -5
Sure...but who's to say that Foles isn't simply a flash in the pan? Hell, I'd put my money on that being the case before I'd bet on him being a franchise QB for the next decade. And still the odds of Foles becoming a franchise QB are higher than Mariotta becoming one. Ods dis are going to be long that Mariotta ever has a year like Foles had two seasons back. Why's that? Just because Foles has a small sample size in the NFL to go by? Last year, he didn't look ANYTHING like he did in 2013. The Eagles seriously considered benching him long before he got hurt. Odds are, Foles is nothing more than an average at best starter. The only real positive that jumps out at me is that he throws a good deep ball. He takes a ton of sacks and his accuracy in the intermediate game is at times maddeningly inconsistent. Is he an upgrade over Geno or anything we've had at QB for the last 6 years? Sure, but that isn't exactly saying much when we've consistently had Sanchez and Geno ranking in the Bottom 3 (if not at the very bottom) of the league among QB's year after year. I take Mariota unless Kelly blows us out of the fucking stratosphere with an offer.
|
|
|
Post by sadface on Mar 5, 2015 20:04:34 GMT -5
it's so hard for me. on one hand i just dont like mariota as a prospect. i dont think he'll be good. on the other hand i find it irresponsible to pass up a top qb prospect. on the other hand i find it irresponsible to not take all those extra picks. on a fourth hand you often see teams stockpile picks like that and whiff on them all. le sigh
|
|
|
Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Mar 6, 2015 2:05:22 GMT -5
And still the odds of Foles becoming a franchise QB are higher than Mariotta becoming one. Ods dis are going to be long that Mariotta ever has a year like Foles had two seasons back. Why's that? Just because Foles has a small sample size in the NFL to go by? Last year, he didn't look ANYTHING like he did in 2013. The Eagles seriously considered benching him long before he got hurt. Odds are, Foles is nothing more than an average at best starter. The only real positive that jumps out at me is that he throws a good deep ball. He takes a ton of sacks and his accuracy in the intermediate game is at times maddeningly inconsistent. Is he an upgrade over Geno or anything we've had at QB for the last 6 years? Sure, but that isn't exactly saying much when we've consistently had Sanchez and Geno ranking in the Bottom 3 (if not at the very bottom) of the league among QB's year after year. I take Mariota unless Kelly blows us out of the fucking stratosphere with an offer. Take a look at the number of QBs taken in the draft and how many make it. Few do, that was the point. Foles had an all time great season the year before. Last season wasn't as good. Check his games though. 300 per game, more TDs than INTs and 60% completion with over 80 rating. He wasn't getting benched either. And after the year before, yes he has more of a chance to succeed than an unknown rookie who has to learn how to play differently than he did in college. And I like Mariota but that's the unknown
|
|
|
Post by southparkcpa on Mar 6, 2015 9:24:35 GMT -5
it's so hard for me. on one hand i just dont like mariota as a prospect. i dont think he'll be good. on the other hand i find it irresponsible to pass up a top qb prospect. on the other hand i find it irresponsible to not take all those extra picks. on a fourth hand you often see teams stockpile picks like that and whiff on them all. le sigh Indecisive in other areas of your life? For me, its the Marino factor. We will pass on Mariota and he will be the next Drew Brees and we will have drafted Johnny Lam Jones.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2015 9:29:30 GMT -5
Kelly is going to do almost anything to get Mariota, he wants all his ducks in a row, 9 and counting, Foles could fill a void, by us time, whatever, he can see over the line, that's a plus.
|
|
|
Post by ftljetfan on Mar 6, 2015 9:40:53 GMT -5
Foles seemed to fall off last year after Lazor went to Miami and that is a concern. I like Foles but I don't see this big blockbuster trade happening. I think it's alll BS. I am not sold on Mariota either but if he gets drafted I will support the FO decision whether I agree or not. I don't know what people expect us to do at QB if we don't Draft Mariota. Do we start Geno, sign Hoyer, what? Draft a guy in the later rounds. Some have suggested Cutler, and I know that won't go over well with the fanbase especially with his salary of 15 million this year and 10 next year along with his other issues. The sad thing is Cutler would be the best QB we had since Chad, not that I am advocating trading for Cutler.
|
|
|
Post by Touchable on Mar 6, 2015 9:48:32 GMT -5
Why's that? Just because Foles has a small sample size in the NFL to go by? Last year, he didn't look ANYTHING like he did in 2013. The Eagles seriously considered benching him long before he got hurt. Odds are, Foles is nothing more than an average at best starter. The only real positive that jumps out at me is that he throws a good deep ball. He takes a ton of sacks and his accuracy in the intermediate game is at times maddeningly inconsistent. Is he an upgrade over Geno or anything we've had at QB for the last 6 years? Sure, but that isn't exactly saying much when we've consistently had Sanchez and Geno ranking in the Bottom 3 (if not at the very bottom) of the league among QB's year after year. I take Mariota unless Kelly blows us out of the fucking stratosphere with an offer. Take a look at the number of QBs taken in the draft and how many make it. Few do, that was the point. Foles had an all time great season the year before. Last season wasn't as good. Check his games though. 300 per game, more TDs than INTs and 60% completion with over 80 rating. He wasn't getting benched either. And after the year before, yes he has more of a chance to succeed than an unknown rookie who has to learn how to play differently than he did in college. And I like Mariota but that's the unknown So? Are we supposed to just never draft a QB at the top of the draft again just because there's a chance that they won't pan out? And yes, there were rumblings for at least 2-3 weeks before Foles got hurt that Kelly was on the verge of making the switch to Sanchez.
|
|
|
Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Mar 6, 2015 10:10:31 GMT -5
Take a look at the number of QBs taken in the draft and how many make it. Few do, that was the point. Foles had an all time great season the year before. Last season wasn't as good. Check his games though. 300 per game, more TDs than INTs and 60% completion with over 80 rating. He wasn't getting benched either. And after the year before, yes he has more of a chance to succeed than an unknown rookie who has to learn how to play differently than he did in college. And I like Mariota but that's the unknown So? Are we supposed to just never draft a QB at the top of the draft again just because there's a chance that they won't pan out? And yes, there were rumblings for at least 2-3 weeks before Foles got hurt that Kelly was on the verge of making the switch to Sanchez. Where did I say we shouldn't draft a QB? Because I stated the obvious, that the vast majority of QBs don't pan out? Be serious, that's fact. I'll make it worse, 99.9% of QBs out of the spread in college fail. Miserably. Foles wasnt getting benched for Sanchez. Kelly never said he would. He hardly played bad enough to be benched. He played shitty agains SF, a game they lost. He also went 6-2 in his 8 games, @sf and @az, hardly anything to be worried about. I think there's nothing guaranteed but he had an amazing first season and hardly sucked in year two. I wish we had a QB that threw for 300 plus, had more TDs than INTs, 60 comp % and a QB rating over 80. That would suck around here?
|
|
|
Post by rexneffect on Mar 6, 2015 10:19:38 GMT -5
I don't see the Eagles offering a deal this exotic to any team for Mariottttttttttttttttta. If there is any actual source outside the media suggesting this deal it is either the Eagles throwing this out there to get the media to say it's ridiculous or (more likely) a team who is in the running to draft him that wants to trade him and is trying to drive up the trade value.
I have no interest in taking on Foles. Sure he is a good partial 2013 but a terrible 2014 if you adjust his stats for the fact that he played in a very QB friendly system with a much better group of receivers. It wasn't even good without adjusting his stats for the quality of the team on which he played. He could easily be another RG3 who had a great season his first year starting and disappointing thereafter. Remember, he was essentially benched for Sanchez last year. Sanchez.
I'm not necessarily keen on Mariota because I have serious concerns that he won't have the same level of performance outside of the OU system. If such an offer really existed and we could take Mariota at 6 then I think it makes sense to take the deal and draft a different QB at 20 or in the second round. Let Foles compete for the starting position this year and dump Simms. If Foles doesn't pan out this year then let him go to FA and then we can consider using our two #1 and two #2 draft picks next year to trade up and take a QB in next year's draft.
|
|
|
Post by sec.101row23 on Mar 6, 2015 10:39:37 GMT -5
So? Are we supposed to just never draft a QB at the top of the draft again just because there's a chance that they won't pan out? And yes, there were rumblings for at least 2-3 weeks before Foles got hurt that Kelly was on the verge of making the switch to Sanchez. Where did I say we shouldn't draft a QB? Because I stated the obvious, that the vast majority of QBs don't pan out? Be serious, that's fact. I'll make it worse, 99.9% of QBs out of the spread in college fail. Miserably. Foles wasnt getting benched for Sanchez. Kelly never said he would. He hardly played bad enough to be benched. He played shitty agains SF, a game they lost. He also went 6-2 in his 8 games, @sf and @az, hardly anything to be worried about. I think there's nothing guaranteed but he had an amazing first season and hardly sucked in year two. I wish we had a QB that threw for 300 plus, had more TDs than INTs, 60 comp % and a QB rating over 80. That would suck around here? Well cross Foles off your list then, because he was a spead QB in college. Unless you think he is part of the 1%.
|
|