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Post by heymangold on Mar 5, 2015 12:36:52 GMT -5
I can't quite understand this. We know what Foles is. Is he a better starter then Geno, absolutely. Is he the answer? I don't think so. We don't mnkw what Mariota can be in the NFL and I think that alone should warrant us taking him.
Obviously if Chip and the Eagles blow us away with a ridiculous amount in return, I'd make the trade. As an Oregon fan I'd absolutely love Mariota on our team.
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Post by Harrier on Mar 5, 2015 12:37:20 GMT -5
It would ease the pain If we get Foles as part of the trade and he becomes the long term answer for us. Sure...but who's to say that Foles isn't simply a flash in the pan? Hell, I'd put my money on that being the case before I'd bet on him being a franchise QB for the next decade. They both aren't sure things, I will say this though.....they are both better than our current situation.
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Mar 5, 2015 12:45:19 GMT -5
I look at it as Foles may or may not be the long term answer, but I think I like him better than what we have today, 3/5/2015.
If the Eagles are willing to overpay and jump to 6, and give us Foles and a boatload of picks to address holes, I take them. And then try to package some next year to jump up and grab a QB if need be.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Mar 5, 2015 12:48:17 GMT -5
Why do some people talk about Mariotta like he's a can't miss prospect? He happens to be one of the top 2 QBs in a terrible QB class. I'd take Foles and a boatload of picks if that's on the table over Mariotta. I don't think this is a Marino situation at all. That being said, if he's there at 6 and we decide to take him, I'm fine with that too. I literally haven't seen one person say that Mariota is a can't miss prospect. And really...who cares? The Andrew Luck's and John Elway's come out of college once every 20-30 years and you don't have a shot in hell at drafting them unless you have the #1 overall pick during that given year. Well, Gruden thinks he's fabulous!
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Post by Touchable on Mar 5, 2015 12:52:08 GMT -5
Sure...but who's to say that Foles isn't simply a flash in the pan? Hell, I'd put my money on that being the case before I'd bet on him being a franchise QB for the next decade. They both aren't sure things, I will say this though.....they are both better than our current situation. I agree But I'm not just going to take, say, a 1st and 2nd this year and Foles. It's no secret that Chip Kelly wants Mariota desperately...so make the bastard sell his children to obtain him. I make them essentially sell us their entire draft for the next two years (1st, 2nd, 3rd in 2015 and a 1st, 2nd and 3rd in 2016 along with Foles). Basically the equivalent of 3 1st round picks in addition to Foles. If Washington had to give up 3 1st rounders just to move up from #4 to #2 to get RGIII...the we better get something similar to move down 14 spots.
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Post by Harrier on Mar 5, 2015 12:54:34 GMT -5
They both aren't sure things, I will say this though.....they are both better than our current situation. I agree But I'm not just going to take, say, a 1st and 2nd this year and Foles. It's no secret that Chip Kelly wants Mariota desperately...so make the bastard sell his children to obtain him. I make them essentially sell us their entire draft for the next two years (1st, 2nd, 3rd in 2015 and a 1st, 2nd and 3rd in 2016 along with Foles).. Basically the equivalent of 3 1st round picks in addition to Foles. If Washington had to give up 3 1st rounders just to move up from #4 to #2 to get RGIII...the we better get something similar to move down 14 spots. Agreed, make them push all their chips to the middle of the table if they want him that bad.
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Mar 5, 2015 13:10:04 GMT -5
Absolutely. The precedent is set. It has to be an offer you cant refuse. 1st and 2nd this year and Foles, you walk. 1st and 2nd this year and next and Foles, you listen. Throw in the 3rd rounders, done deal.
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Post by carlito1171 on Mar 5, 2015 13:18:37 GMT -5
Agreed. Mac needs to hold Chip's feet to the flames, because we all know how much he's salivating at the chance to get him. If Mariota falls to 6(I think it's gonna happen) Either Chip sells his soul to us or we tell him to take a hike and we take Mariota.
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Post by Touchable on Mar 5, 2015 13:27:03 GMT -5
Agreed. Mac needs to hold Chip's feet to the flames, because we all know how much he's salivating at the chance to get him. If Mariota falls to 6(I think it's gonna happen) Either Chip sells his soul to us or we tell him to take a hike and we take Mariota. Exactly If Mariota is there at #6... Then fuck Cooper Fuck White Fuck Fowler Fuck anyone not named Mariota. The QB takes precedent above all else. You take Mariota unless the Eagles basically sell their collective souls to move up for him. It's insane to think that O'Brien, Pennington and Sanchez are the only three QB's we've drafted in the 1st round since Namath. No wonder we have such a shitty QB history.
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Post by jetitbe on Mar 5, 2015 13:49:40 GMT -5
Because of his contract status, Foles holds little value as a trade chip, in my opinion. He's a free agent next offseason.
Let's say he comes here, puts up middle of the pack QB stats and leads us to, say, a 7-9 record. Next year at this time, we'd then have to decide whether to let him walk or commit to him long-term with a huge contract (because he'd probably be one of the top free agent QBs on the market, given his age and the fact that no one lets elite QBs walk).
I agree that given what the Rams got from the Redskins to just move up a couple of spots, anything less than three first-rounders in exchange for moving down 14 spots would be insufficient. And three first-rounders is just a starting point.
Let's see just how badly Chip Kelly wants Mariota. If a player is involved in the deal, along with the picks, I'd rather a good, young, cheap player who is under contract for more than just a year, like Kiko Alonso or Lane Johnson. The Eagles probably wouldn't want to do it, but, well, tough shit. Then we'll just draft Mariota.
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Post by Frank Reynolds on Mar 5, 2015 13:52:54 GMT -5
How many more years are we going to have to go with these mediocre qb's? It's a recipe for mediocrity. You're never good enough to seriously contend for a super bowl and never bad enough to draft a true franchise qb. Do we really want to go 7-9, 8-8, 9-7 every year with foles as a qb?
If you have the chance at drafting a franchise QB, you do it. We're not winning anything without a franchise qb, so you might as well take the chance.
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Post by ruby2 on Mar 5, 2015 13:55:43 GMT -5
100% certainty on March 5th
lol
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Post by Touchable on Mar 5, 2015 13:59:37 GMT -5
How many more years are we going to have to go with these mediocre qb's? It's a recipe for mediocrity. You're never good enough to seriously contend for a super bowl and never bad enough to draft a true franchise qb. Do we really want to go 7-9, 8-8, 9-7 every year with foles as a qb? If you have the chance at drafting a franchise QB, you do it. We're not winning anything without a franchise qb, so you might as well take the chance. Yep If we draft Mariota and he turns out to be a disappointment...oh well. At least we had the balls to swing for the fences and it's not like we're going to be in any worse of a situation than we've already been in for the last 40+ fucking years. But if Mariota pans out...then there's no question that he helps us a helluva lot more than Cooper, White, Parker, Fowler, Ray, etc.
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Post by choon328 on Mar 5, 2015 14:50:28 GMT -5
All those picks really won't mean dick if Mariota turns out to be a legit franchise QB and we're still floundering around with scrubs behind center. Exactly. You can bet that the Rams thank God everyday that RGIII has not lived up to expectations thus far. Imagine if RGIII was legit while the Rams are dealing with their current QB issues? That's why if you do a deal, it better be for well above market value. That trade for the Rams was a no-brainer. They had drafted Bradford #1 overall 2 years earlier. You don't draft a QB #1 overall and then #2 overall 2 years apart. Especially since they gave Bradford $40+ guaranteed. So even if RG III turned out to be great they had already had their guy at that time. No reason for them to regret it at all.
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Post by choon328 on Mar 5, 2015 14:52:08 GMT -5
i never said he'd run the same offense. Chip's inherent familiarity with Mariotta will help him adjust much faster to the NFL. you wouldn't agree that he's far more likely to succeed under his college coach than anyone else? all i'm saying is that it would be a tremendous advantage to mariotta to be drafted by kelly, and anywhere else he'll find it a bit harder to acclimate. It may be an advantage in his first year because the language may be the same, but if another team drafts Marcus and uses him in a similar offense to OU, he has the same chance of success. People need to remeber that Marcus only started for Kelly for one season before Kelly left for the NFL. I don't think Mariotta's long term success or failure hinges on him being drafted by Kelly. Same exact offense though. So in reality he played in that Eagles system for 3 years as a starter.
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