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Post by BrownBoogieboarder on Mar 15, 2015 17:58:56 GMT -5
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Bowles plays a 3-4? Nah.
I concur, Coples in a 4 man front would be pretty epic.
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Post by Jetworks on Mar 15, 2015 18:17:15 GMT -5
Coples had his hand in the dirt plenty last year. I don't know why people think all he did was stood up as an OLB and bumped receivers. The guy is a sporadic contributor, at best. He's very overrated by jets fans because he'll make a big play every now and then, but disappears for the rest of the time. If he wasn't a first round pick, he'd probably already be gone. Lots of talent, but wildly inconsistent. Whether it's due to his widely-reported lack of a high motor, Rex throwing too much at him or his not being comfortable/playing out of position is up for debate.
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Post by DDNYjets on Mar 15, 2015 18:25:39 GMT -5
He might have been our best CB last year. I don't think a pass was completed on him.
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Post by BrownBoogieboarder on Mar 15, 2015 18:33:15 GMT -5
Frank ReynoldsI think you might have the wrong idea about Coples. I understand the man was a 1st round pick and you expect more. I still think you're a bit too low on him. Here's hoping Bowles can utilize him in a role that fulfills his potential. You cannot deny Coples talent. I understand you feel he disappears, however that statement is pretty subjective.
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Post by carlito1171 on Mar 15, 2015 18:34:13 GMT -5
Physically gifted, potential that's off the charts, but miscast? Underperforming? Send him back to the DLine in a 4-3? Continue his transition to OLB? Try to trade him? In my mind he's the biggest enigma on the D and probably has the most untapped potential of any player we have. What do you think Bowles will do with him? Put his hand in the dirt, where he apparently belongs.....
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Post by monsterxman on Mar 15, 2015 18:51:01 GMT -5
very strong, but ultmately one dimensional, bull rusher, lacks hip flexibility, ability to bend... His best plays have all been the result of mix ups on the offensive side of the ball, and not being blocked.
Not a terrible player, just hasn't improved from his rookie year. I doubt he ever takes that next step.
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Post by jetstream23 on Mar 15, 2015 19:04:14 GMT -5
Bowles played some 4-2-5 believe it or not. And he didn't do it just once.
Mo - Snacks - Coples - Richardson would be pretty sick up front.
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Post by Paradis on Mar 15, 2015 19:16:22 GMT -5
Just to come back to the point again... The fact that we even had Coples standing up as a linebacker speaks to how absurdly arrogant Rex was with him... For all the shit Rex knows about Defense, he couldn't seem to get this OLB thing right. We had a guy who played 2 years of Tackle, and 1 year of End -- playing at linebacker. Just because Coples is an athletic freak who looks OK in linebacker drills doesn't mean that's a fit. For christ sakes - put him back on the line where he belongs. bleacherreport.com/articles/2345286-how-can-todd-bowles-help-shape-jets-defense
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Post by HawkeyeJet on Mar 15, 2015 19:45:20 GMT -5
Just to come back to the point again... The fact that we even had Coples standing up as a linebacker speaks to how absurdly arrogant Rex was with him... For all the shit Rex knows about Defense, he couldn't seem to get this OLB thing right. We had a guy who played 2 years of Tackle, and 1 year of End -- playing at linebacker. Just because Coples is an athletic freak who looks OK in linebacker drills doesn't mean that's a fit. For christ sakes - put him back on the line where he belongs. bleacherreport.com/articles/2345286-how-can-todd-bowles-help-shape-jets-defense I think that's by far his biggest shortcoming(on D at least). You are 100% correct. Rex thinks he's so good he can make anyone fit anywhere. Not saying Gholston would have ever amounted to anything, but Rex wasted his 2 most important developmental years trying to make him an OLB.
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Post by HawkeyeJet on Mar 15, 2015 19:47:33 GMT -5
Bowles played some 4-2-5 believe it or not. And he didn't do it just once. Mo - Snacks - Coples - Richardson would be pretty sick up front. I said this in another thread at some point, but I will not be surprised at all to see 3rd and long situations with that front 4, Gilchrist and Pryor at "LB" and Revis, Cro, Skrine, Milliner and McDougle.
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Post by RobR on Mar 15, 2015 21:27:43 GMT -5
Bowles played some 4-2-5 believe it or not. And he didn't do it just once. Mo - Snacks - Coples - Richardson would be pretty sick up front. That front four would be absolutely nasty. Coples will turn into a star when he can play inside regularly and return to a natural weight.
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Post by jdeacon on Mar 15, 2015 21:35:28 GMT -5
Keep him as DL depth. He is still on his rookie contract and is the perfect player to give Mo and Sheldon a breather. Having quality depth will prove invaluable when our D is blitzing like an animal.
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Post by Lithfan on Mar 15, 2015 21:44:41 GMT -5
Bowles played some 4-2-5 believe it or not. And he didn't do it just once. Mo - Snacks - Coples - Richardson would be pretty sick up front. Would love to see how Coples would look back at his natural position. Maybe this is also the reason why the Jets kept Babin and Pace if he plans to move Coples back to DL. Although it still remains to be seen if either or both will still be on the roster come September.
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Post by jetstream23 on Mar 15, 2015 23:10:26 GMT -5
And why have a slow linebacker cover the TE when you can use someone like Antonio Allen to do it? The fear in some type of 4-2-5 is that you would be susceptible to the run but I don't think so. Not with our personnel. Pryor can thump, so can Allen. And RBs would have to get past Snacks, Mo, Wilkerson, etc first.
Interestingly, there has been a lot of discussion on this board about what the Jets are going to do linebacker. It is the one level of the defense that wasn't really touched during free agency. The defensive line is largely set, we tendered Harrison to retain him, and we all know that the entire secondary has been rebuilt. But what was done at linebacker? Maybe the lack of attention to the linebacker position is a loud indication of the priority that Bowles places on it....meaning not that much, or at least not as much as the secondary and defensive line.
I am really excited to see what Bowles brings to this team. I think our appetite for creative defense will continue to be satisfied. Bowles will employee similar but different strategies as compared to Rex which will be fun to see.
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Post by jetstream23 on Mar 15, 2015 23:13:09 GMT -5
Keep him as DL depth. He is still on his rookie contract and is the perfect player to give Mo and Sheldon a breather. Having quality depth will prove invaluable when our D is blitzing like an animal. I agree. I just want them to pick one spot or the other, and not split him between two positions. He needs to be put in one place and then focus on excelling at that. Coples will never reach his potential if he keeps getting switched back and forth.
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