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Post by jetstream23 on Mar 15, 2015 14:46:48 GMT -5
Physically gifted, potential that's off the charts, but miscast? Underperforming?
Send him back to the DLine in a 4-3? Continue his transition to OLB? Try to trade him?
In my mind he's the biggest enigma on the D and probably has the most untapped potential of any player we have. What do you think Bowles will do with him?
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Post by jcappy on Mar 15, 2015 14:54:00 GMT -5
Ass up, hand in the dirt, give him another shot where he can actually perform.
No homo.
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Post by Frank Reynolds on Mar 15, 2015 14:55:16 GMT -5
Trade him for a pick if possible. Coples is probably the least deserving of an extension with money going to sheldon and mo coming up soon. Coples is a man without a position. The position he has played, he's not good at. Trade him while he still has some value if possible.
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Post by BrownBoogieboarder on Mar 15, 2015 14:59:48 GMT -5
I agree, biggest untapped potential for sure. Coples doesn't get enough credit.
I think Bowles is smarter than to try and force Coples to play OLB and will move him back to his natural position in the 4-3. Question is, what will he do with Coples when running a 3-4 front? This leads to your last question regarding a trade. I see a trade as a possibility depending on what scheme Bowles is looking to implement. It seems Bowles is not set on any one type of defense and runs a hybrid. His defensive schemes are known to be complex and innovating (think Rex in 09 and 10).
From what I understand "He has operated multiple schemes, both 3-4 and 4-3, and is willing to change schemes completely to fit his personnel." So I guess the question then becomes; is Coples versatile enough to fit into this hybrid defense in the eyes of Todd Bowles? I think that question will be answered quite clearly when contract time is up for Coples, because as of right now it's worth it to keep him even if he only plays a "role" on certain downs...
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Post by HawkeyeJet on Mar 15, 2015 15:00:15 GMT -5
I think the major difference between Rex and Bowles is Rex looks at guys and thinks he can mold them to fill a hole in his defense. Bowles sees a guy with strengths and weaknesses and adjusts his scheme to put guys in their most natural fit.
I think Coples will play up and down the line, inside and out depending on the situation.
Coples also gets the tag of most unjustified criticism.
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Post by Frank Reynolds on Mar 15, 2015 15:04:39 GMT -5
Coples had his hand in the dirt plenty last year. I don't know why people think all he did was stood up as an OLB and bumped receivers.
The guy is a sporadic contributor, at best. He's very overrated by jets fans because he'll make a big play every now and then, but disappears for the rest of the time. If he wasn't a first round pick, he'd probably already be gone.
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Post by BrownBoogieboarder on Mar 15, 2015 15:11:41 GMT -5
Coples had his hand in the dirt plenty last year. I don't know why people think all he did was stood up as an OLB and bumped receivers. The guy is a sporadic contributor, at best. He's very overrated by jets fans because he'll make a big play every now and then, but disappears for the rest of the time. If he wasn't a first round pick, he'd probably already be gone. What is plenty? Happen to have a snap count breakdown?
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Post by Frank Reynolds on Mar 15, 2015 15:16:46 GMT -5
Coples had his hand in the dirt plenty last year. I don't know why people think all he did was stood up as an OLB and bumped receivers. The guy is a sporadic contributor, at best. He's very overrated by jets fans because he'll make a big play every now and then, but disappears for the rest of the time. If he wasn't a first round pick, he'd probably already be gone. What is plenty? Happen to have a snap count breakdown? I don't. Just watched the games.
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Post by Hotman on Mar 15, 2015 15:21:59 GMT -5
No idea what he should do or whatever, but Bowles has a reputation of playing to his players strengths, which for some reason many people thought Rex was that kinda guy but I never saw evidence of that once. Only crazy blind loyalty and stubbornness. I think Coples could be pretty good, he's in good hands. I think if anyone can get anything out of him in this D it will be Bowles.
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Post by Frank Reynolds on Mar 15, 2015 15:27:58 GMT -5
The only time I saw coples looking serviceable was when he was rushing against the opposing team's guard. He's just too slow to beat a good tackle on the outside. He gets blocked and he stays blocked.
He's really just a specialty type player on this team. Definitely not a 3 down guy with Mo and sheldon here. He's the odd man out and his production (or lack of production) is easily replaceable.
If a team is willing to give us a 4th or 5th for him, I'd be more than happy with that.
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Post by Hotman on Mar 15, 2015 15:31:39 GMT -5
He looks pretty good when he can knock the shit out of a QB.
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Post by Frank Reynolds on Mar 15, 2015 15:32:54 GMT -5
He looks pretty good when he can knock the shit out of a QB. The problem is getting there. And once he's there, trying to avoid a leading with the helmet personal foul.
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Mar 15, 2015 15:37:11 GMT -5
Physically gifted, potential that's off the charts, but miscast? Underperforming? Send him back to the DLine in a 4-3? Continue his transition to OLB? Try to trade him? In my mind he's the biggest enigma on the D and probably has the most untapped potential of any player we have. What do you think Bowles will do with him? Not send him out in coverage like Rex did?
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Post by Paradis on Mar 15, 2015 15:37:51 GMT -5
based on our roster, we'd be 2x as effective playing in a 40 front right now. Coples playing DT in a 4-3 would blow away the Jets community.
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Post by richcasterfan on Mar 15, 2015 17:01:00 GMT -5
Bowles plays a 3-4.
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