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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 12:27:33 GMT -5
lacrosse is a spring sport lumping it in with soccer in terms of the level of contact is hilariously ignorant, lacrosse is a full contact sport True, but not if you're talking about concussions...specifically those caused by the ball (soccer). There was a story done a few years ago about an increase in ALS in Italian soccer players and they connected it to multiple concussions. Scary stuff. Football is non stop contact of all and every sort from start to finish, for most positions, Soccer and Lax not so much and they can be controlled and regulated if needed.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 12:28:53 GMT -5
lacrosse is a spring sport lumping it in with soccer in terms of the level of contact is hilariously ignorant, lacrosse is a full contact sport True, but not if you're talking about concussions...specifically those caused by the ball (soccer). There was a story done a few years ago about an increase in ALS in Italian soccer players and they connected it to multiple concussions. Scary stuff. Euro and Italian football are real MLS/ American soccer = girls soccer.
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Post by CTJetsFanII on Mar 18, 2015 13:04:56 GMT -5
True, but not if you're talking about concussions...specifically those caused by the ball (soccer). There was a story done a few years ago about an increase in ALS in Italian soccer players and they connected it to multiple concussions. Scary stuff. Football is non stop contact of all and every sort from start to finish, for most positions, Soccer and Lax not so much and they can be controlled and regulated if needed. Agree, but it wasn't the player contact I was referring too. It was the damage (concussions apparently) caused by the ball in soccer from guys using their heads or getting drilled by one inadvertently.
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Mar 18, 2015 14:21:00 GMT -5
I gave more concussions then I had, Im guessing both numbers were pretty high?
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Post by DDNYjets on Mar 18, 2015 15:33:33 GMT -5
Flag football is a great option. If I had kids that is where I would start them out. A lot of coaches will tell you that if you kid has the talent to play in college or the NFL then it doesn't really matter when they start playing. There are tons of great college and pro players that played only one or two years in highschool.
The points Jetstream made really make sense. I remember playing when I was 6 years old and everyone had to tape their pants to keep them up and our ears barely touched the ear pads in the helmets and the shoulder pads used to from left to right when we ran. LOL. Those were the days.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 16:26:56 GMT -5
Golf and tennis, play golf and tennis.
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Post by TJ&TW on Mar 18, 2015 16:40:24 GMT -5
My son played a bit when he was in grade school, didn't like it and didn't want to play it any more. I'd support him if he wanted to play (now in middle school), but I'm not exactly broken up about him not wanting to given what we know today.
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Post by Ff2 on Mar 18, 2015 16:52:46 GMT -5
Golf and tennis, play golf and tennis. not exactly an option for alot of kids.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 18:03:49 GMT -5
Golf and tennis, play golf and tennis. not exactly an option for alot of kids. Point is you can play both till 70.
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Post by Ff2 on Mar 18, 2015 18:11:16 GMT -5
not exactly an option for alot of kids. Point is you can play both till 70. Absolutely both are great, I wish more kids had access.
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Post by Lithfan on Mar 18, 2015 18:23:31 GMT -5
Not a decision that I ever had to make -- my son was small and slow. Not many places on a football field for an undersized, slow kid. He played hockey instead (he was a lot quicker on skates than feet) which was still pretty nerve wracking to watch as a parent. Most important thing they learned was how to take a hit and how to deliver one.
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Post by Slackjaw on Mar 18, 2015 18:28:41 GMT -5
I grew up never wearing helmets on bikes or rollerblades and was doing crazy ass jumps. I played football for a few years. We used to climb the gutters and jump off the roof. I've had knives thrown at my head, stuck into my knee cap, and held to my throat. I've almost drowned in my pool when I was 4 because I was badass enough to sink or swim bitches (yeah I sunk). Kids today are a bunch of pussies. We're gonna own these bitches till we're too geriatric to move without pooping our pants. God damned soft hand generation. I don't think it's the kids. It's the parents. And their lawyers. yep ...and assholes that want to be power hungry nanny parents.
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Post by Slackjaw on Mar 18, 2015 18:30:05 GMT -5
Pick up games on concrete
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 7:32:00 GMT -5
I gave more concussions then I had, Im guessing both numbers were pretty high? Lol. plus concussions from other than football.
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Mar 19, 2015 8:30:24 GMT -5
I see 2 issues. One is concussions. The second is CTE.
As to concussions, it's pretty simple. In the past we never allowed people to heal sufficiently from a concussion before exposing them to the risk of further damage. When I got my "bell rung" in high school, we'd laugh about it and then I'd go back in the game once I had regained my balance and wits. My sopne had a concussion last season. He stopped practicing and playing until he went 4 full days with no symptoms. His were a low grade headache and sensitivity to light. I think the modern concussion protocols solve a lot of the problems with brain injury risks. However, the fact is, if you suffer a few concussions in a short period of time, you should hang it up. The risk has then become one not worth taking.
As to CTE, there is little doubt that frequent blows to the head "can" cause brain trauma and eventually CTE. The best evidence of this is former Boxers. But I use the word "can" because it does not happen to all boxers, heck I'm fairly certain it does not even happen to a majority of boxers. George Foreman, Joe Frazier, Evander Holyfield have all been hit in the head plenty in the course of their boxing careers and all seem fine. Why? I have not idea, but it seems like pretty solid proof that CTE is not "certain" to result from numerous blows to the head. Plus, boxing is a little different than football in that a boxer does not want to get hit in the head. In fact, he is trying to avoid it. In the recent past, players used their head/helmet as a weapon. In other words, in football, on the vast majority of plays, the player has a great deal of control over whether he is hit in the head. In junior football we taught our players that the helmet protected their head and was not to be used to tackle. You tackle with your arms and shoulder, not your head. We never had a concussion in a game. The only one's we ever had occurred at practice during Oklahoma Drills of Bull in the Ring. We evaluated these drills and eliminated them because they did not realistically re-create game situations and now we use better, safer drills to instill toughness and develop tackling technique.
So, I guess I am in the minority who believe that CTE and risk of brain trauma was a real problem in the NFL (and football) at one time, but it is now a small manageable risk for a well trained player.
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