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Post by Sonny Werblin on Mar 19, 2015 5:30:48 GMT -5
Eh, I'm just not crazy about 25% of the cap going into one player (something like that was said somewhere) plus so much resources poured into one unit, the secondary. I'd rather have it spread around more. It's doubtful the shortcomings can be filled with starters from the draft. Revis is getting QB money and he will cover half the field, half the time. I know everyone is thrilled with Revis's return, I'm not one of those people. Not at his price. And I think the guarantee over how many years is very optimistic and really taking a bet on him staying healthy. Yeah someone was going to pay it, I don't think it had to be us. Cro got a hefty sum too, though obviously far less than Revis. And now there are actually rumors about franchise QB's possibly hitting the market and we're out of the running before it even started. No one has 25% of the cap. The cap is 141 mil. No one counts over 35 mil per. You ou want to improve the team, you need players good players. Money make money. Big money. Who cares anyway, we're still comfortably under the cap. Exactly. The argument against paying Revis would make more sense if there was some other player the jets missed out on by signing Revis. Only the jets can be critized in successive years for being too cheap and then spending too much. |
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Post by rangerous on Mar 19, 2015 5:49:34 GMT -5
Harris's deal wasn't ideal, I agree, but what did you think Revis was going to get paid? I haven't even seen details for Cro's contract, so I can't say much about it. Eh, I'm just not crazy about 25% of the cap going into one player (something like that was said somewhere) plus so much resources poured into one unit, the secondary. I'd rather have it spread around more. It's doubtful the shortcomings can be filled with starters from the draft. Revis is getting QB money and he will cover half the field, half the time. I know everyone is thrilled with Revis's return, I'm not one of those people. Not at his price. And I think the guarantee over how many years is very optimistic and really taking a bet on him staying healthy. Yeah someone was going to pay it, I don't think it had to be us. Cro got a hefty sum too, though obviously far less than Revis. And now there are actually rumors about franchise QB's possibly hitting the market and we're out of the running before it even started. yes, that's one way to look at it but the flip side is the contracts start going away after 3 years and after next year the cap hits aren't so terrible. also the jets aren't paying much for qb which is their biggest need. genot or fitz could be a decent starter or they could drafi mariota or wait until next season. either way the position right now is on the cheap. it will only start getting costly if genot pans out. at that point they'll have to pay him (fat chance on that genot stinks). as for the oline, they have 3 good to very good players and should be able to get depth in the draft in rounds 3-7. the downside is this is a win now team. they need to exploit revis' ability and it will do no good to go even 8-8 with the defensive talent they have assembled. and they need to avoid the mistakes that the redskins have made by overpaying a lot of players and then getting nothing out of them. |
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Mar 19, 2015 8:43:51 GMT -5
No one has 25% of the cap. The cap is 141 mil. No one counts over 35 mil per. You ou want to improve the team, you need players good players. Money make money. Big money. Who cares anyway, we're still comfortably under the cap. Exactly. The argument against paying Revis would make more sense if there was some other player the jets missed out on by signing Revis. Only the jets can be critized in successive years for being too cheap and then spending too much.So everyone in the fanbase has to have the same opinion from year to year, got it . And I don't think they spent too much, if that's what you got out of my post you missed my point |
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Mar 19, 2015 8:45:08 GMT -5
Eh, I'm just not crazy about 25% of the cap going into one player (something like that was said somewhere) plus so much resources poured into one unit, the secondary. I'd rather have it spread around more. It's doubtful the shortcomings can be filled with starters from the draft. Revis is getting QB money and he will cover half the field, half the time. I know everyone is thrilled with Revis's return, I'm not one of those people. Not at his price. And I think the guarantee over how many years is very optimistic and really taking a bet on him staying healthy. Yeah someone was going to pay it, I don't think it had to be us. Cro got a hefty sum too, though obviously far less than Revis. And now there are actually rumors about franchise QB's possibly hitting the market and we're out of the running before it even started. yes, that's one way to look at it but the flip side is the contracts start going away after 3 years and after next year the cap hits aren't so terrible. also the jets aren't paying much for qb which is their biggest need. genot or fitz could be a decent starter or they could drafi mariota or wait until next season. either way the position right now is on the cheap. it will only start getting costly if genot pans out. at that point they'll have to pay him (fat chance on that genot stinks). as for the oline, they have 3 good to very good players and should be able to get depth in the draft in rounds 3-7. the downside is this is a win now team. they need to exploit revis' ability and it will do no good to go even 8-8 with the defensive talent they have assembled. and they need to avoid the mistakes that the redskins have made by overpaying a lot of players and then getting nothing out of them. Getting some depth in rounds 3-7 isn't helping this oline. That's what Idzik did for the last two years. We need a player or two who can be a starter now. And I missed who the three good to very good players are |
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Mar 19, 2015 9:31:50 GMT -5
Just as a point of reference, Brandon Browner's, Perrish Cox's, and Chris Culliver's combined salaries next year are less than Cromartie's (let alone Revis's).
I'd rather have Julius Thomas at $9M than Revis at $16M.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Mar 19, 2015 9:43:39 GMT -5
I'm confused where that Ravens Insider is getting 8.5 GTD. The bonus is GTD (2.5) plus first year (1), so that's 3.5. When former Chargers safety Marcus Gilbert agreed to terms with the Jets on a free agent contract last week, the deal was widely reported to be for four years and $22 million, with $10 million guaranteed. But, as with pretty much every NFL contract, a closer inspection reveals something quite different: Gilchrist's deal has nothing fully guaranteed except for one year and $3.5 million. To be sure: If Gilchrist were to remain with the Jets for the four-year life of the contract, he would indeed earn $22 million. But the way the deal is structured, the Jets can opt out after the 2015 season while doling out nothing more than $3.5 to $5 million. Gilchrist is due to earn $1 million this season in fully guaranteed base pay, plus a signing bonus of $2.5 million that gets pro-rated over the next four years in terms of how it counts against the cap. He also stands to earn up to $1.5 million in per-game roster bonuses. Next year, Gilchrist's base pay jumps to $5 million, but it is guaranteed for injury only and doesn't become fully guaranteed until the third day of the 2016 league year. Gilchrist is then scheduled to make $6 million in base pay in both 2017 and '18, though neither of those figures is guaranteed. Which means that on the off-chance Gilchrist stinks out the joint this season, the Jets can walk away after this year and owe him nothing beyond the maximum of $5 million they will have given him. They can similarly get out of the deal after 2016 (after having paid him no more than $10 million) or 2017 ($16 million) with no additional costs, should they choose to do so. |
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Post by jcappy on Mar 19, 2015 9:49:30 GMT -5
I'm confused where that Ravens Insider is getting 8.5 GTD. The bonus is GTD (2.5) plus first year (1), so that's 3.5. When former Chargers safety Marcus Gilbert agreed to terms with the Jets on a free agent contract last week, the deal was widely reported to be for four years and $22 million, with $10 million guaranteed. But, as with pretty much every NFL contract, a closer inspection reveals something quite different: Gilchrist's deal has nothing fully guaranteed except for one year and $3.5 million. To be sure: If Gilchrist were to remain with the Jets for the four-year life of the contract, he would indeed earn $22 million. But the way the deal is structured, the Jets can opt out after the 2015 season while doling out nothing more than $3.5 to $5 million. Gilchrist is due to earn $1 million this season in fully guaranteed base pay, plus a signing bonus of $2.5 million that gets pro-rated over the next four years in terms of how it counts against the cap. He also stands to earn up to $1.5 million in per-game roster bonuses. Next year, Gilchrist's base pay jumps to $5 million, but it is guaranteed for injury only and doesn't become fully guaranteed until the third day of the 2016 league year. Gilchrist is then scheduled to make $6 million in base pay in both 2017 and '18, though neither of those figures is guaranteed. Which means that on the off-chance Gilchrist stinks out the joint this season, the Jets can walk away after this year and owe him nothing beyond the maximum of $5 million they will have given him. They can similarly get out of the deal after 2016 (after having paid him no more than $10 million) or 2017 ($16 million) with no additional costs, should they choose to do so.I love that this is the philosophy for pretty much everyone we've signed so far. Gonna be a lot of guys on the field with a lot to prove in 2015 for a pay day next year. |
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Post by JetBidi on Mar 19, 2015 14:28:22 GMT -5
Just as a point of reference, Brandon Browner's, Perrish Cox's, and Chris Culliver's combined salaries next year are less than Cromartie's (let alone Revis's). I'd rather have Julius Thomas at $9M than Revis at $16M. I don't really have a problem with any of the signings so far, but we way overpaid for Cromartie. Possibly a 4yr. deal paying out $7M this year and worth up to $35M with incentives is just crazy in my opinion. |
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Post by carlito1171 on Mar 19, 2015 14:47:59 GMT -5
Didn't want to pay Revis but it had to be done....
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Mar 19, 2015 14:59:51 GMT -5
Just as a point of reference, Brandon Browner's, Perrish Cox's, and Chris Culliver's combined salaries next year are less than Cromartie's (let alone Revis's). I'd rather have Julius Thomas at $9M than Revis at $16M. I don't really have a problem with any of the signings so far, but we way overpaid for Cromartie. Possibly a 4yr. deal paying out $7M this year and worth up to $35M with incentives is just crazy in my opinion. It's what his level CBs are making. Don't think we overpaid, especially if it's true he could have gotten more elsewhere. |
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Post by JetBidi on Mar 19, 2015 15:19:25 GMT -5
I don't really have a problem with any of the signings so far, but we way overpaid for Cromartie. Possibly a 4yr. deal paying out $7M this year and worth up to $35M with incentives is just crazy in my opinion. It's what his level CBs are making. Don't think we overpaid, especially if it's true he could have gotten more elsewhere. I understand what you're saying, but just because you paid the going rate in an inflated (seller's) market doesn't mean you didn't overpay. I really doubt he could've gotten more anywhere else. Those reports were most likely made up by his agent. We'll never know though. |
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Post by rangerous on Mar 19, 2015 16:23:20 GMT -5
yes, that's one way to look at it but the flip side is the contracts start going away after 3 years and after next year the cap hits aren't so terrible. also the jets aren't paying much for qb which is their biggest need. genot or fitz could be a decent starter or they could drafi mariota or wait until next season. either way the position right now is on the cheap. it will only start getting costly if genot pans out. at that point they'll have to pay him (fat chance on that genot stinks). as for the oline, they have 3 good to very good players and should be able to get depth in the draft in rounds 3-7. the downside is this is a win now team. they need to exploit revis' ability and it will do no good to go even 8-8 with the defensive talent they have assembled. and they need to avoid the mistakes that the redskins have made by overpaying a lot of players and then getting nothing out of them. Getting some depth in rounds 3-7 isn't helping this oline. That's what Idzik did for the last two years. We need a player or two who can be a starter now. And I missed who the three good to very good players are your point is well taken however, from what i've read the oline wasn't as bad as it seemed. they would've looked a lot better had the qb not hold onto the ball too long. brady gets rid of it in less than 2 seconds. i hate to think how long genot held it for. but i also think that they can get some pretty good players, and not just depth, in rounds 3-7. wasn't fabini a 3rd rounder? what about ryan young? and moore was a low pick drafted as a defensive player. |
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Post by Hotman on Mar 20, 2015 1:06:54 GMT -5
I don't really have a problem with any of the signings so far, but we way overpaid for Cromartie. Possibly a 4yr. deal paying out $7M this year and worth up to $35M with incentives is just crazy in my opinion. It's what his level CBs are making. Don't think we overpaid, especially if it's true he could have gotten more elsewhere. Someone else would have paid what we did. Maybe even NE if they had a real shot at outbidding us. Believe me, this move stung them, don't care what they try to say. |
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Mar 20, 2015 13:34:06 GMT -5
It's what his level CBs are making. Don't think we overpaid, especially if it's true he could have gotten more elsewhere. Someone else would have paid what we did. Maybe even NE if they had a real shot at outbidding us. Believe me, this move stung them, don't care what they try to say. It did. Both their fans and the organization. It hurt and shit on their usual "players want to play for Belicheat, play for the Pats" load of bullshit they've been selling forever |
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Mar 20, 2015 13:44:13 GMT -5
Someone else would have paid what we did. Maybe even NE if they had a real shot at outbidding us. Believe me, this move stung them, don't care what they try to say. It did. Both their fans and the organization. It hurt and shit on their usual "players want to play for Belicheat, play for the Flats*" load of bullshit they've been selling forever That's a moral victory if there ever was one |
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