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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Mar 20, 2015 14:48:12 GMT -5
It did. Both their fans and the organization. It hurt and shit on their usual "players want to play for Belicheat, play for the Flats*" load of bullshit they've been selling forever That's a moral victory if there ever was one True but it did cut a little deeper. We're definatly better with Revis and they're definatly weaker without him.
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Post by McGinley on Mar 22, 2015 20:06:51 GMT -5
Haha, I hope we "overpay" guys like this forever.
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Mar 22, 2015 22:33:12 GMT -5
Glad to hear it but Cro's and Harri's deals were no bargain, and Revis's is astronomical. Harris's deal wasn't ideal, I agree, but what did you think Revis was going to get paid? I haven't even seen details for Cro's contract, so I can't say much about it. Announced that Cro's deal has only 7 mil in guarantees. So much for those whining that he was overpaid or didn't give a home town discount
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Mar 22, 2015 22:55:21 GMT -5
Harris's deal wasn't ideal, I agree, but what did you think Revis was going to get paid? I haven't even seen details for Cro's contract, so I can't say much about it. Announced that Cro's deal has only 7 mil in guarantees. So much for those whining that he was overpaid or didn't give a home town discount 1 yr $7MIL, there's no discount, that's a healthy hit
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Post by jetitbe on Mar 22, 2015 23:42:37 GMT -5
1 yr $7MIL, there's no discount, that's a healthy hit It's a big hit for this year for a No. 2 cornerback. Although I'm no cap expert, and even though I don't think trading for Philip Rivers is a legitimate option, a contract like Cro's would help us. If we somehow trade for Rivers and extend his contract, we can probably backload it somewhat to fit him in next year. If we end up cutting ties with Cro (or other players whose contracts are so structured), we'd gain the space for Rivers in future years, right? Don't get me wrong, I really like Cro. I love having guys on the team who really want to be here. But the hope would be that with Revis and Skrine still here, and the possibility that Milliner and/or McDougle can develop into a solid No. 2 corner, we'd be able to let Cro go and still have a solid secondary.
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Mar 23, 2015 1:30:47 GMT -5
Announced that Cro's deal has only 7 mil in guarantees. So much for those whining that he was overpaid or didn't give a home town discount 1 yr $7MIL, there's no discount, that's a healthy hit 7 mil over the life of his counterpart is not a hit. Unless you expect to pay 2005 prices in 2015.
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Post by McGinley on Mar 23, 2015 11:03:09 GMT -5
Announced that Cro's deal has only 7 mil in guarantees. So much for those whining that he was overpaid or didn't give a home town discount 1 yr $7MIL, there's no discount, that's a healthy hit $7m guaranteed for a good corner when we need good corners and have to spend money? Vinny, you need to remember to put things into context.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Mar 23, 2015 17:16:28 GMT -5
1 yr $7MIL, there's no discount, that's a healthy hit $7m guaranteed for a good corner when we need good corners and have to spend money? Vinny, you need to remember to put things into context. Which context are you referring to? As I said earlier in the thread: Just as a point of reference, Brandon Browner's, Perrish Cox's, and Chris Culliver's combined salaries next year are less than Cromartie's (let alone Revis's). I'm not sure really what the FO's thinking is here. They seem to be building a win-now team by spending all but about $4M of available cap space, going into the draft with 6 picks (two of them 7th rounders). But there are other needy units/positions esp on offense which likely won't be filled with starters thru the draft (except maybe RB), never mind the QB disaster. Trade down for more picks? Right now I don't see the strategy.
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Mar 23, 2015 17:28:53 GMT -5
$7m guaranteed for a good corner when we need good corners and have to spend money? Vinny, you need to remember to put things into context. Which context are you referring to? As I said earlier in the thread: Just as a point of reference, Brandon Browner's, Perrish Cox's, and Chris Culliver's combined salaries next year are less than Cromartie's (let alone Revis's). I'm not sure really what the FO's thinking is here. They seem to be building a win-now team by spending all but about $4M of available cap space, going into the draft with 6 picks (two of them 7th rounders). But there are other needy units/positions esp on offense which likely won't be filled with starters thru the draft (except maybe RB), never mind the QB disaster. Trade down for more picks? Right now I don't see the strategy. Browsers contract has more guaranteed money than Cro's deal.
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Post by JetBidi on Mar 23, 2015 17:34:26 GMT -5
$7m guaranteed for a good corner when we need good corners and have to spend money? Vinny, you need to remember to put things into context. Which context are you referring to? As I said earlier in the thread: Just as a point of reference, Brandon Browner's, Perrish Cox's, and Chris Culliver's combined salaries next year are less than Cromartie's (let alone Revis's). I'm not sure really what the FO's thinking is here. They seem to be building a win-now team by spending all but about $4M of available cap space, going into the draft with 6 picks (two of them 7th rounders). But there are other needy units/positions esp on offense which likely won't be filled with starters thru the draft (except maybe RB), never mind the QB disaster. Trade down for more picks? Right now I don't see the strategy. This fact again. I can't believe people are seeing Browner + Culliver + Cox for less money this year than 30yr. old Cro and not think we overpaid for Cro. But let me guess... those guys signed for much less than they're worth is more of a possibility than Cro being overpaid. He's not a #1 CB and won't be playing that on this team. Cro for $7M a year = overpaid.
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Mar 23, 2015 17:49:17 GMT -5
I can't believe in 2015 someone is judging contract dollars off of a one year salary over the guaranteed money over the life of each deal. Or ignoring that Cro is the better player. Then talking about facts
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Post by JetBidi on Mar 23, 2015 17:51:47 GMT -5
I can't believe in 2015 someone is judging contract dollars off of a one year salary over the guaranteed money over the life of each deal. Then talking about fact. LOL. How long is 30yr old Cro going to play vs. Browner + Cox + Culliver?
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Mar 23, 2015 17:58:08 GMT -5
I can't believe in 2015 someone is judging contract dollars off of a one year salary over the guaranteed money over the life of each deal. Then talking about fact. LOL. How long is 30yr old Cro going to play vs. Browner + Cox + Culliver? Yeah over 29 year olds. Who aren't as good as Cro. Or is a one year wonder. dont know whats funny. Your argument fails on every level. Cro's guaranteed money is less than a player he's better than. But you're laughing about it as if you're smarter than others.
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Post by TheMo on Mar 23, 2015 18:08:22 GMT -5
I can't believe in 2015 someone is judging contract dollars off of a one year salary over the guaranteed money over the life of each deal. Then talking about fact. LOL. How long is 30yr old Cro going to play vs. Browner + Cox + Culliver? We can cut him with no cap hit after this year. Your argument makes little sense unless you think any of those guys are long term high upside players at #2 cb. Otherwise over paying this year means nothing unless you wanted some one else for THIS year.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Mar 24, 2015 8:50:23 GMT -5
LOL. How long is 30yr old Cro going to play vs. Browner + Cox + Culliver? We can cut him with no cap hit after this year. Your argument makes little sense unless you think any of those guys are long term high upside players at #2 cb. Otherwise over paying this year means nothing unless you wanted some one else for THIS year. No the argument being refuted is that you HAVE to pay a very good corner $7M; these three guys prove you don't. Two of them are longer term solutions than Cro..
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