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Post by Hotman on May 18, 2015 21:56:54 GMT -5
The people who can't see past their green glasses on this site are hilarious. Objectivity is not their strong suit apparently. You guys went to the same school or something didn't you? No green glasses. The guy sucks and the deal is Sanchez hilarious. It ruined the Jets and will ruin them too.
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Post by choon328 on May 18, 2015 23:47:48 GMT -5
The people who can't see past their green glasses on this site are hilarious. Objectivity is not their strong suit apparently. You guys went to the same school or something didn't you? No green glasses. The guy sucks and the deal is Sanchez hilarious. It ruined the Jets and will ruin them too. First of all, Sanchez was never as good as Tannehill. Sanchez had a way better team his first 2 years than Tannehill has ever had. I'm not a Tannehill guy but to say he's awful is stupidity at it's finest. You must think Cam Newton is awful b/c he played worse than Tannehill last year. Anyway, this team ruining contract is actually a 2 year $21 million deal with an option for $15 million in 2017 So 3 years $36 million for a guy who just threw for 4000 yards, 66% comp, and 27 TD's and he's 26 coming off the best year of his career. What an awful contract for Tanny to give him lol. He can get out of it after 2 years with no repercussions. When the Jets extended Sanchez he wasn't close to being as good as Tannehill is right now and what's scary about that is Tannehill is barely a top 15 QB. But the scarier thing is that you're telling us how awful he is while any of us would die for a Jets QB to put up those numbers. Most of you would take Kaepernick to the Jets in a heartbeat and honestly he's not even as good as Tannehill. The numbers bear that out quite convincingly. To judge a QB by only team success is so misguided. That's like saying Sanchez was a top 5 QB in his first 2 years b/c he went to the AFC Championship game both years. It's a silly argument.
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on May 19, 2015 2:04:09 GMT -5
Discount? Hes making more than Ben, Peyton, Stafford, Alex Smith, Dalton, Rivers and Brady. It doesn't matter, he's really good bro, miami believes in him! Jets WISH they had someone as awesome as him! I hear you bro
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on May 19, 2015 2:06:11 GMT -5
Discount? Hes making more than Ben, Peyton, Stafford, Alex Smith, Dalton, Rivers and Brady. The only player of note that he will be making more money than is Rivers and by less than a million dollars and that deal was made 6 years ago so does that really count? Brady is an outlier b/c he took an extremely team friendly deal. Tannehill will got less per year than: Rodgers Roethlisberger Ryan Flacco Brees Manning Kaepernick Cutler Romo Stafford Smith Palmer E. Manning What you're talking about is new money added to the contract not the yearly avg. QB's that will soon make more than him soon are: Newton Luck Wilson So in less than a year he'll be the 17th highest paid QB in the league. Not a terrible deal. No I took the total amount of the contract signed, not yearly numbers or what was due. Guys like Ben and Peyton's deals were in the 90's, a few dollars less than Tannihills deal. Near 100 mil for a middle of the pack, dink and dunk QB isn't really a bargain.
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Post by DDNYjets on May 19, 2015 4:59:58 GMT -5
So now its only $21.5 guaranteed? The OP tweet said $45 million guaranteed. That is a huge difference. Definitely makes the deal more palatable.
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Post by DDNYjets on May 19, 2015 5:14:13 GMT -5
So if Geno comes out and throws for 4000 yards with 27 TD's, 65% comp and 12 int's you're going to want to let him play out his final year without extending him? I'm not a huge Tannehill fan but to argue that he's a bad QB is a non starter. 15th in QBR last year ahead of Newton, Stafford, Dalton and Kaepernick and he's either making less than those guys or is about to make less than Yes. Because for Geno that would be one good year versus 2 apocalyptic ones. And I never said Tannehill was bad. I said that he was below average by my estimation. I would take Newton, Stafford and Dalton over him. Mark Sanchez once accounted for 32 TDs in a single season. Also, my initial opinions in thread were based on the OP which stated the deal was for $45 million guaranteed. It is now being reported that the guaranteed money is less than half of that. Big difference.
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Post by sec.101row23 on May 19, 2015 6:53:30 GMT -5
So now its only $21.5 guaranteed? The OP tweet said $45 million guaranteed. That is a huge difference. Definitely makes the deal more palatable. It's a good deal for the Dolphins, and Tannehill for that matter. There are team options along the way that protect the team from diminished performance. The devil is always in the details with these contracts. Whether you love or hate Tannehill, what were Miami's options? You aren't going to just kick Tannehill to the curb and draft some unknown from college because he isn't Aaron Rodgers.
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Post by DDNYjets on May 19, 2015 7:24:03 GMT -5
So now its only $21.5 guaranteed? The OP tweet said $45 million guaranteed. That is a huge difference. Definitely makes the deal more palatable. It's a good deal for the Dolphins, and Tannehill for that matter. There are team options along the way that protect the team from diminished performance. The devil is always in the details with these contracts. Whether you love or hate Tannehill, what were Miami's options? You aren't going to just kick Tannehill to the curb and draft some unknown from college because he isn't Aaron Rodgers. If you're the Dolphins, would you have done the deal at $45 million guaranteed with him under your control for two more years?
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Post by JB1089 on May 19, 2015 9:27:53 GMT -5
He's betting on tannehill......If Tannehill pans out and is a top 12 QB, the Phins get him at a nice discount Is Tannenbaum taking a risk? Of course he is......it's what he is.....he rolls them dice Discount? Hes making more than Ben, Peyton, Stafford, Alex Smith, Dalton, Rivers and Brady. Brady plays, and has been playing, for a massive discount. Rivers is in a contract year. Dalton signed a similar 6 year, $96 million extension last year, and has performance incentives that can boost its value to $115 million. Alex Smith makes $17M to Tannehill's $19M, what a bargain. For those prices, I'd rather have Tannehill. Staffords makes $1.6M less per year, but has almost double the amount of fully guaranteed money (only $21.5M of Tannehill's contract is FULLY guaranteed) Peyton just restructured his contract to reduce his cap number at the beginning of the offseason. Roethlisberger got a $31M signing bonus to go along with the new contract he signed earlier this year. He took smaller yearly base salaries in exchange for the huge payday he got upfront. His cap number is actually higher than Tannehill's.
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on May 19, 2015 14:40:23 GMT -5
Discount? Hes making more than Ben, Peyton, Stafford, Alex Smith, Dalton, Rivers and Brady. Brady plays, and has been playing, for a massive discount. Rivers is in a contract year. Dalton signed a similar 6 year, $96 million extension last year, and has performance incentives that can boost its value to $115 million. Alex Smith makes $17M to Tannehill's $19M, what a bargain. For those prices, I'd rather have Tannehill. Staffords makes $1.6M less per year, but has almost double the amount of fully guaranteed money (only $21.5M of Tannehill's contract is FULLY guaranteed) Peyton just restructured his contract to reduce his cap number at the beginning of the offseason. Roethlisberger got a $31M signing bonus to go along with the new contract he signed earlier this year. He took smaller yearly base salaries in exchange for the huge payday he got upfront. His cap number is actually higher than Tannehill's. One more time, I compared the original contracts that they signed. You're going outside their complete deals to compare. Peyton restructuring changes this how? His deal is for less money. Want to compare their careers? Or anyone that you brought up? Alex Smith has actually made the playoffs. Stafford and others are much better QBs. Their deals are less and guarantees higher? They should be, they're not comparable players. Ben has two SBs. Tannihills has never played in a SB and the last two seasons could win one fucking game to put his team in the playoffs. Couldn't win 1 out of 3 two years ago. Was completely outplayed by fucking Geno the last game of the last two seasons, one costing the Fins a playoff spot. Stop already.
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on May 19, 2015 14:48:29 GMT -5
So if Geno comes out and throws for 4000 yards with 27 TD's, 65% comp and 12 int's you're going to want to let him play out his final year without extending him? I'm not a huge Tannehill fan but to argue that he's a bad QB is a non starter. 15th in QBR last year ahead of Newton, Stafford, Dalton and Kaepernick and he's either making less than those guys or is about to make less than Yes. Because for Geno that would be one good year versus 2 apocalyptic ones. And I never said Tannehill was bad. I said that he was below average by my estimation. I would take Newton, Stafford and Dalton over him. Mark Sanchez once accounted for 32 TDs in a single season. Also, my initial opinions in thread were based on the OP which stated the deal was for $45 million guaranteed. It is now being reported that the guaranteed money is less than half of that. Big difference. That's what the OP posted. It's now reported that its: According to NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport, the deal is for $95 million over six years in total. $25 million is fully guaranteed, with $45 million in "guarantees" over the life of the deal. (Tannehill has to be on the roster to earn those guarantees.) And it's listed as a 4 year extension added to his remaining 2 seasons I guess.
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Post by rangerous on May 19, 2015 20:43:13 GMT -5
So if Geno comes out and throws for 4000 yards with 27 TD's, 65% comp and 12 int's you're going to want to let him play out his final year without extending him? I'm not a huge Tannehill fan but to argue that he's a bad QB is a non starter. 15th in QBR last year ahead of Newton, Stafford, Dalton and Kaepernick and he's either making less than those guys or is about to make less than True the numbers are solid. I guess he doesn't strike me as a guy who can play against any decent defense. I think in the regular season he is able to eek out 8-10 wins by beating inferior teams and maybe getting lucky against a good team or two (when the rest of his team plays lights out). But when it comes to high stakes games against real defenses he collapses. This is NOT driven by data just kinda what I have seen of him while following other games sometimes. If someone has better research I am open to being wrong, but I am lazy as fuck right now and don't feel like looking it up lol. imo geno is a tease. last season he had a zero and he had a perfect (well at least as high of a qbr as a qb can get). he has played some pretty strong games against the patsies and many times he's stunk it up but the team was within striking distance in the fourth. and he has thrown games away in the fourth qtr. here's to hoping genot will post those numbers but i don't think i'd hold my breath.
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Post by DDNYjets on May 19, 2015 21:24:52 GMT -5
Yes. Because for Geno that would be one good year versus 2 apocalyptic ones. And I never said Tannehill was bad. I said that he was below average by my estimation. I would take Newton, Stafford and Dalton over him. Mark Sanchez once accounted for 32 TDs in a single season. Also, my initial opinions in thread were based on the OP which stated the deal was for $45 million guaranteed. It is now being reported that the guaranteed money is less than half of that. Big difference. That's what the OP posted. It's now reported that its: According to NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport, the deal is for $95 million over six years in total. $25 million is fully guaranteed, with $45 million in "guarantees" over the life of the deal. (Tannehill has to be on the roster to earn those guarantees.) And it's listed as a 4 year extension added to his remaining 2 seasons I guess. You have to go by what is fully guaranteed at the time he signed the contract. To get the 45 he has to be on the roster. That is not fully guaranteed. The OP made me believe that the 45 was fully guaranteed and that is not the case. Basically this is a safe contract for the Dolphins. I would have let him play out his deal at which time both he and the HC would be extended or dumped. It is basically a two year contract with options for the team to extend him at what will be below market value. 21 or 25 is a lot easier to absorb than 45.
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Post by sec.101row23 on May 20, 2015 6:25:57 GMT -5
That's what the OP posted. It's now reported that its: According to NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport, the deal is for $95 million over six years in total. $25 million is fully guaranteed, with $45 million in "guarantees" over the life of the deal. (Tannehill has to be on the roster to earn those guarantees.) And it's listed as a 4 year extension added to his remaining 2 seasons I guess. You have to go by what is fully guaranteed at the time he signed the contract. To get the 45 he has to be on the roster. That is not fully guaranteed. The OP made me believe that the 45 was fully guaranteed and that is not the case. Basically this is a safe contract for the Dolphins. I would have let him play out his deal at which time both he and the HC would be extended or dumped. It is basically a two year contract with options for the team to extend him at what will be below market value. 21 or 25 is a lot easier to absorb than 45. It would have been financially foolish to let Tannehill play out his current deal. Tannehill was already under contract through the 2016 season because they exercised his 5th year option. He was scheduled to make 2.1M (4.1M cap number) in salary and roster bonus this season and 16.2M (16.2M cap number)in 2016. The Suh contract escalates to an approximate 29M cap number in 2016, so the Dolphins wanted to lower Tannehill's number in 2016. So instead the Dolphins pay Tannehill 21.5M in salary and bonus this year and 3.5M in salary next year, thus lowering Tannehill's cap number by more than 10M in 2016. The rest of the contract is all based on team options that kick in every March. The Dolphins spent more cash this year to create more cap space in 2016.
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Post by JB1089 on May 20, 2015 10:47:55 GMT -5
Comparing total contract values in the NFL is pointless. The deal will be restructured or the player will be cut before the end of the originally agreed upon contract. It's very rare that a player of any value even makes it to the final year of their contract without there having been some alterations along the way. Right now it may look like he's making too much, but that's the nature of a new contract. A year or two from now, he'll be right in line with where he should be, assuming that he continues to perform at his current level. We're at the point where that's how much money an AVERAGE quarterback is going to make, especially with the coming cap increases. The better ones will make slightly more on a per year basis, but with significantly more guaranteed money.
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