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Post by Gunnails on May 25, 2015 12:43:46 GMT -5
I find it rather interesting that a Stephen Hill comparison gets thrown out ther for Smith, when DGB is actually closer to Hill than Smith is. ======================================================= I think it has to do where they were drafted by the Jets rather then similar measurables or style of play.
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Post by Paradis on May 25, 2015 14:48:55 GMT -5
Smith offers everything DGB does other than physical height. He also is flat out better in multiple areas than DBG. I find it rather interesting that a Stephen Hill comparison gets thrown out ther for Smith, when DGB is actually closer to Hill than Smith is.I find this to be misleading/not true. DGB is undoubtedly raw after not playing in 2015, and didn't leave missouri as a polished prospect. And while I hear your plight for the undue love H/W/S guys get, DGB had a far more developed route tree than Hill. One could even make argument that he did more 2 years ago at missouri, than Smith did route running posts and nines all day at Ohio. Now, i'm not dense enough to think that DGB is more refined than a guy who played 4 years in college, but painting DGB as a nothing but clay isn't fair. have a look here; subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/article.php?article=harmon_receptionperception_nfldraft_dorialgreen-beckham15
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Post by rangerous on May 25, 2015 15:14:50 GMT -5
if smith works out the jets will have a pretty decent wide receiver corps for the next 3 or 4 seasons. and if he works out then it gives them some leverage against marshall. i'm not saying this in a bad way. we all want marshall to succeed but at the same time he does have a limited shelf life and smith's progress may retire him that much sooner. and even if he doesn't they still have time to bring in someone else before marshall or decker or kerley stop being good receivers.
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Post by Paradis on May 25, 2015 15:24:00 GMT -5
if smith works out the jets will have a pretty decent wide receiver corps for the next 3 or 4 seasons. and if he works out then it gives them some leverage against marshall. i'm not saying this in a bad way. we all want marshall to succeed but at the same time he does have a limited shelf life and smith's progress may retire him that much sooner. and even if he doesn't they still have time to bring in someone else before marshall or decker or kerley stop being good receivers. I don't think we'll see anything more than the 2 years Marshall has left on his contract. He'll be 33 years old, and unless he gets a bite from a superbowl ready team in the way that Andre did with IND, then i think he'll be moving to his broadcasting career. He's already been grooming himself for that, and 2 yeas in the NY media is a good medium to finish that process off.
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Post by TheMo on May 25, 2015 18:12:57 GMT -5
I can't speak for everyone, but I think some of the silence can be attributed to his pedigree. Devin Smith has the profile of potentially becoming the next Steve Smith, the way he was back in 2003-2010 with Carolina. What he won't be is the next Alshon Jeffery or AJ Green. That's what I wanted. Granted, we have a couple WRs who mirror some of those skills in Decker and Marshall, but I myself wanted a homegrown alpha dog. Instead we got a WR who has a high ceiling, but a low floor... just another role player. The fact that DGB was there and we passed stings (at present). I've moved on, and have decided to get behind the pick. Here's hoping this guy takes the top off the enemy's defense. Big play threat that has you standing out of you seat when the ball's sailing through the air. mattwaldmanrsp.com/2015/04/16/rsp-film-room-no-41-wr-devin-smith/I really think he is going to excel Paradis. Watch that video when you get a chance. I really like Waldman for analysis and the reception perception guy is also a great listen. After reading up on both Williams and Smith from what Waldman had to say I absolutely love our first two picks.
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Post by HawkeyeJet on May 25, 2015 22:22:52 GMT -5
Smith offers everything DGB does other than physical height. He also is flat out better in multiple areas than DBG. I find it rather interesting that a Stephen Hill comparison gets thrown out ther for Smith, when DGB is actually closer to Hill than Smith is.I find this to be misleading/not true. DGB is undoubtedly raw after not playing in 2015, and didn't leave missouri as a polished prospect. And while I hear your plight for the undue love H/W/S guys get, DGB had a far more developed route tree than Hill. One could even make argument that he did more 2 years ago at missouri, than Smith did route running posts and nines all day at Ohio. Now, i'm not dense enough to think that DGB is more refined than a guy who played 4 years in college, but painting DGB as a nothing but clay isn't fair. have a look here; subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/article.php?article=harmon_receptionperception_nfldraft_dorialgreen-beckham15I didn't say he was like Hill, I just said he's closer to him than Smith is. The artical you linked is a very in depth read, but I don't agree with the guy that DGB shows everything you want as a potential route runner. DGB is a flat out bad route runner. There is a big difference between being asked to a lot of different routes and being poor at them, which is the case for DGB, and being asked to run minimal routes, which is the case for Smith. I don't believe Smith ran few routes because he was incapable of running them, the OSU offense just didn't call for them. I fully expect Smith to be a better route runner from Day 1 than DGB simply because Smith has shown the ability to put in work and focus on getting better, whereas DGB has shown the exact opposite. I may be wrong about Beckham, but physical talent only goes so far.
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Post by RobR on May 25, 2015 22:24:14 GMT -5
I can't speak for everyone, but I think some of the silence can be attributed to his pedigree. Devin Smith has the profile of potentially becoming the next Steve Smith, the way he was back in 2003-2010 with Carolina. What he won't be is the next Alshon Jeffery or AJ Green. That's what I wanted. Granted, we have a couple WRs who mirror some of those skills in Decker and Marshall, but I myself wanted a homegrown alpha dog. Instead we got a WR who has a high ceiling, but a low floor... just another role player. The fact that DGB was there and we passed stings (at present). I've moved on, and have decided to get behind the pick. Here's hoping this guy takes the top off the enemy's defense. Big play threat that has you standing out of you seat when the ball's sailing through the air. mattwaldmanrsp.com/2015/04/16/rsp-film-room-no-41-wr-devin-smith/I really think he is going to excel Paradis. Watch that video when you get a chance. I really like Waldman for analysis and the reception perception guy is also a great listen. After reading up on both Williams and Smith from what Waldman had to say I absolutely love our first two picks. WTF was that? Those ham and eggers lost me one minute into the hour long video. I think those two might be Dreamers and Tinstar.
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Post by RobR on May 25, 2015 22:51:16 GMT -5
I may be wrong about Beckham, but physical talent only goes so far. The whole thing about DGB is you might have another Megatron on your hands or maybe a complete nutball headcase. His ceiling is through the roof just by watching his tape and what he has already accomplished at such a young age. I could argue that he was the best WR prospect from the last five years hands down from a true overall talent prospective. He has all of the tools that you look for in a dominant #1 receiver. I don't think you can say that about Smith. I do agree with you about Smiths route running because he possesses all of the skill you look for in a great route runner. He just doesn't have the ceiling of a DGB. I hope I'm completely wrong, and only time will tell, but I see a Mike Wallace in Smith. Not bad but when you pass on that guy that has the H/W/S ratio and can also play the receiver position that decision should be questioned.
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Post by TheMo on May 25, 2015 23:35:49 GMT -5
WTF was that? Those ham and eggers lost me one minute into the hour long video. I think those two might be Dreamers and Tinstar. haha I take it you didn't watch it then. They are probably two of the better analysts out there. Waldman writes for football outsiders so these aren't two randos lol
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on May 26, 2015 0:03:52 GMT -5
They are probably two of the better analysts out there. I watched it and no they're not. They're alright, but that video was shit. The amount of content in it should have lasted 20 min tops.
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Post by TheMo on May 26, 2015 0:09:12 GMT -5
They are probably two of the better analysts out there. I watched it and no they're not. They're alright, but that video was shit. The amount of content in it should have lasted 20 min tops. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then. Not big deal. I think his writing and analysis is quite nuanced vs. the usual ESPN blather
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Post by DDNYjets on May 26, 2015 6:44:36 GMT -5
If it's a red flag against someone that they thought of quitting playing football at some point or another, 90% of NFL players have red flags. None of of the rest of this is directed specifically at you, just some additional thoughts. People get hardons for guys like DGB because of his height/speed combo while essentially ignoring the fact that he's extremely unpolished and truth be told, quite shitty in certain aspects as WR. Smith offers everything DGB does other than physical height. He also is flat out better in multiple areas than DBG. I find it rather interesting that a Stephen Hill comparison gets thrown out ther for Smith, when DGB is actually closer to Hill than Smith is. 100% of the players have "issues" whether it be on or off the field. You just have to pick the ones you can live with. My only question is if he pouted about not getting the ball at OSU what is he gonna do when he is facing better players with Geno Smith throwing the ball? I dont think people are comparing Smith and Hill as players. Just the fact that we picked them with another still on the board that people liked. Smith's production will get compared to DGBs.
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Post by DDNYjets on May 26, 2015 6:49:40 GMT -5
if smith works out the jets will have a pretty decent wide receiver corps for the next 3 or 4 seasons. and if he works out then it gives them some leverage against marshall. i'm not saying this in a bad way. we all want marshall to succeed but at the same time he does have a limited shelf life and smith's progress may retire him that much sooner. and even if he doesn't they still have time to bring in someone else before marshall or decker or kerley stop being good receivers. I don't think we'll see anything more than the 2 years Marshall has left on his contract. He'll be 33 years old, and unless he gets a bite from a superbowl ready team in the way that Andre did with IND, then i think he'll be moving to his broadcasting career. He's already been grooming himself for that, and 2 yeas in the NY media is a good medium to finish that process off. Is he still doing Inside the NFL? God forbid he drops a TD pass you know what is going to happen.
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Post by ryu79 on May 26, 2015 12:00:25 GMT -5
I may be wrong about Beckham, but physical talent only goes so far. The whole thing about DGB is you might have another Megatron on your hands or maybe a complete nutball headcase. I think given the new mgmt and recent Hill experience for this team that risk aversion for the latter part of your assessment was too high. Risk adjusted, Big Mac likely had Smith rated higher. I say that trusting the analysis of yourself and Paradis and a lot of folks here who have been touting the guy - because on draft night, the panels on both the networks had football reservations about DGB, specifically that he played soft, was handled by smaller corners and was easy to push off of his routes.
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Post by RobR on May 26, 2015 13:17:55 GMT -5
The whole thing about DGB is you might have another Megatron on your hands or maybe a complete nutball headcase. I think given the new mgmt and recent Hill experience for this team that risk aversion for the latter part of your assessment was too high. Risk adjusted, Big Mac likely had Smith rated higher. I say that trusting the analysis of yourself and Paradis and a lot of folks here who have been touting the guy - because on draft night, the panels on both the networks had football reservations about DGB, specifically that he played soft, was handled by smaller corners and was easy to push off of his routes. You have to remember he only played his freshman and sophomore seasons in college and he was also in the SEC. I'm not drafting him because of what he's done....I'm drafting him because of what he can become. If he played two more years of college ball....... remember Devin Smith played four, I'm pretty sure he would be in consideration for the first overall pick if he kept his head on straight. To me that was a gamble worth taking at our draft position,
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