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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Jun 26, 2015 11:52:24 GMT -5
Exactly. 100% factual "analysis". Geno has all the physical tools and none of the mental ones and that is not something you gain with more experience. He melts down and implodes when it matters; you'll never get anywhere with a QB like that. He's done it two years in a row now, the pattern is definitely emerging. There's been thousands of NFL QBs who were drafted in the first few rounds. Name all the ones who got the mental part of the game down in the first two seasons. Should be a pretty lo list. Bet you have a hard time getting past 10. Imcant believe you said said the mental part of the game is not something you gain with more experience. That's th np biggest part of the game that just about every QB has to gain with experience. We hold Geno to standards ridiculously few QBs reach. I didn't say mental part, I said mental tools. He doesn't have any. He wilts under the bright lights when there is anything on the line. This is a character flaw, what they call "intangibles", not something you can fix with time or practice. Some (usually more talented) QB's take a really long time to show it, like Peyton or Matt Ryan or Andy Dalton. The good news is Geno showed us what he's made of in record time, so we don't have to waste time hoping he'll "develop".
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Jun 26, 2015 14:35:45 GMT -5
There's been thousands of NFL QBs who were drafted in the first few rounds. Name all the ones who got the mental part of the game down in the first two seasons. Should be a pretty lo list. Bet you have a hard time getting past 10. Imcant believe you said said the mental part of the game is not something you gain with more experience. That's th np biggest part of the game that just about every QB has to gain with experience. We hold Geno to standards ridiculously few QBs reach. I didn't say mental part, I said mental tools. He doesn't have any. He wilts under the bright lights when there is anything on the line. This is a character flaw, what they call "intangibles", not something you can fix with time or practice. Some (usually more talented) QB's take a really long time to show it, like Peyton or Matt Ryan or Andy Dalton. The good news is Geno showed us what he's made of in record time, so we don't have to waste time hoping he'll "develop". Reminds me when Bradshaw couldn't spell cat according to Steeler fans who didn't think he had the mental capability to play QB. If spotted the "c" and the "t"
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Jun 26, 2015 14:39:56 GMT -5
I love how people who want to kill the guy think they can pick and choose the games on a schedule to look at. Geno did well bs the Pats, fuck it, didn't count. He ended the season really well. As good as anyone? Why see it as progress? I'm a fan who looks for reasons to trash my team so fuck it, don't count this games either. Why the fuck can't fans look at games he play d well in and see it as progress instead of digging deep to come up with reasons why what happened didn't happen. So your argument about why you shouldn't pick and choose games is to pick and choose one game? At the end of his first season it looked like progress. Then he came back worse in season two. Why should I get my hopes up about the apparent repeat performance being different? I want to be wrong about him. I'd like to see him come out and not embarrass himself on the field. I'll be happy to come back here and say I was wrong. I just can't look at the end of last season and forget that the same thing happened the year before. It's on Geno to improve not on me to be perennially optimistic. There's been thousands of NFL QBs who were drafted in the first few rounds. Name all the ones who got the mental part of the game down in the first two seasons. Should be a pretty lo list. Bet you have a hard time getting past 10. Imcant believe you said said the mental part of the game is not something you gain with more experience. That's th np biggest part of the game that just about every QB has to gain with experience. We hold Geno to standards ridiculously few QBs reach. Name the ones who have run backwards out of the endzone, buttfumbled himself, threw three interceptions in a row and can't handle a time change. I bet that's a short list, too. I bet you have a hard time getting past 1. Nobody is holding him to the standard of being Peyton Manning on the field but he also doesn't seem to have the decisiveness or confidence needed to do the job. Last year he was making the same panicked and stupid mistakes over and over. What's frustrating is that Geno has the physical skills to be a great QB but mentally is playing at the bottom of the league. It seems like he is starting from a position far below where a first or second year QB with starting experience in college should be. I used the end of the season, you said none of the games meant anything, the Pats game was for home field advantage. you can't answer the simple as shit question so your response is to bring up sacks, handful of p,and etc. as if that eliminated how well he played after people like you wanted him benched. The. When he came back and eliminat d everything you're whining about you keep repeating them. I dont one even know what your point is. Meh came back and p,aged better. You just want him gone because. I get it.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Jun 26, 2015 14:47:35 GMT -5
I didn't say mental part, I said mental tools. He doesn't have any. He wilts under the bright lights when there is anything on the line. This is a character flaw, what they call "intangibles", not something you can fix with time or practice. Some (usually more talented) QB's take a really long time to show it, like Peyton or Matt Ryan or Andy Dalton. The good news is Geno showed us what he's made of in record time, so we don't have to waste time hoping he'll "develop". Reminds me when Bradshaw couldn't spell cat according to Steeler fans who didn't think he had the mental capability to play QB. If spotted the "c" and the "t" Terry Bradshaw may not be "book smart" but he is a fighter and a competitor. Geno is NOT. Terrible comparison . And I'm still not talking about how smart or stupid he is, I'm talking about how he can't deal with performing under pressure. Can you understand that?
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Post by rangerous on Jun 26, 2015 18:33:38 GMT -5
Reminds me when Bradshaw couldn't spell cat according to Steeler fans who didn't think he had the mental capability to play QB. If spotted the "c" and the "t" Terry Bradshaw may not be "book smart" but he is a fighter and a competitor. Geno is NOT. Terrible comparison bradshaw was also benched in favor of joe willie gilliam and had some difficulty beating out hanratty. we should all be hoping geno does well simply because if he does well so do the jets. imo, he's like the little girl with the curl and we'll see if we see good geno or bad geno. i'll give him lot's of rope until game 4.
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Post by Warfish on Jun 26, 2015 20:52:36 GMT -5
Prove it Geno.
Talk is cheap.
Articles are cheaper.
We'll see what we see on the field.
Only place that matters.
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Post by rexneffect on Jun 26, 2015 21:35:38 GMT -5
I used the end of the season, you said none of the games meant anything, the Pats game was for home field advantage. you can't answer the simple as shit question so your response is to bring up sacks, handful of p,and etc. as if that eliminated how well he played after people like you wanted him benched. The. When he came back and eliminat d everything you're whining about you keep repeating them. I dont one even know what your point is. Meh came back and p,aged better. You just want him gone because. I get it. I believe you do not know what my point is. Anybody who writes this sort of disjoined garbage clearly has reading comprehension challenges. You're just repeating the same shit you said before. Sure, Geno had a good end to season two but he had a good end to season one. He did not have a good start to season two. So what is different between season one and season two that makes you believe he won't be just as awful at the start of season three? If there is not something different about Geno then your argument only works if you pretend like December 2013-November 2014 did not occur.
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Jun 27, 2015 9:38:59 GMT -5
Reminds me when Bradshaw couldn't spell cat according to Steeler fans who didn't think he had the mental capability to play QB. If spotted the "c" and the "t" Terry Bradshaw may not be "book smart" but he is a fighter and a competitor. Geno is NOT. Terrible comparison . And I'm still not talking about how smart or stupid he is, I'm talking about how he can't deal with performing under pressure. Can you understand that? No, people were convinced that Bradshaw didn't have the mental capacity to play the position. It's a dead on comparison to people saying Geno doesn't have the capacity to play the position. I hear what you're saying, you're trying to say he might none smart off the field but isn't smart on. It's simple, I'm not dumb. You're just not listening. It was the same for Bradshaw.
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Jun 27, 2015 9:45:14 GMT -5
I used the end of the season, you said none of the games meant anything, the Pats game was for home field advantage. you can't answer the simple as shit question so your response is to bring up sacks, handful of p,and etc. as if that eliminated how well he played after people like you wanted him benched. The. When he came back and eliminat d everything you're whining about you keep repeating them. I dont one even know what your point is. Meh came back and p,aged better. You just want him gone because. I get it. I believe you do not know what my point is. Anybody who writes this sort of disjoined garbage clearly has reading comprehension challenges. You're just repeating the same shit you said before. Sure, Geno had a good end to season two but he had a good end to season one. He did not have a good start to season two. So what is different between season one and season two that makes you believe he won't be just as awful at the start of season three? If there is not something different about Geno then your argument only works if you pretend like December 2013-November 2014 did not occur. He was better at the start of 2014 than the start of 2013. He finished much better in 2014 than 2013. He improved in every single stat over 2013. Maybe given how much a QB has to learn, especially one coming from a spread offense, he's starting to get it. Especially since there was a change before he showed improvement at the end of the season. He was benched. But feel free to go on and on that it was meaningless and anyone who at least hopes he showed improvement doesn't get it. And keep telling us that he ended the year before on an upswing so 2014 is meaningless.
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Post by rangerous on Jun 27, 2015 12:07:45 GMT -5
I believe you do not know what my point is. Anybody who writes this sort of disjoined garbage clearly has reading comprehension challenges. You're just repeating the same shit you said before. Sure, Geno had a good end to season two but he had a good end to season one. He did not have a good start to season two. So what is different between season one and season two that makes you believe he won't be just as awful at the start of season three? If there is not something different about Geno then your argument only works if you pretend like December 2013-November 2014 did not occur. He was better at the start of 2014 than the start of 2013. He finished much better in 2014 than 2013. He improved in every single stat over 2013. Maybe given how much a QB has to learn, especially one coming from a spread offense, he's starting to get it. Especially since there was a change before he showed improvement at the end of the season. He was benched. But feel free to go on and on that it was meaningless and anyone who at least hopes he showed improvement doesn't get it. And keep telling us that he ended the year before on an upswing so 2014 is meaningless. imo geno has showed very little and while what he did in 2014 has little to do with what he did in 2013 is true, as the tuna said, you are what your record is. and while you can make a case that the whole team was pretty bad you can make an equal case that geno was the main reason for the team's failure. that he was benched and vick came in and was equally bad probably gives geno more of a pass than he would ordinarily deserve. going back to the bradshaw analogy, those pitsburgh teams were loaded. bradsahw had stallworth and swann to throw to and harris/fuqua/blier weren't too shabby coming out of the backfield. and, of course, the defense was shut down. my point is that geno hasn't had the very good to great receivers that bradshaw had nor did he have the oline. however, genot had worse receivers in 2013 than in 2014 and the fact that he didn't improve much is troubling. now he has marshall along with decker, kerley and a should be improved amaro. there are no more team excuses for him. we'll see.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 13:07:09 GMT -5
Geno hasn't done enough to warrant praise. For every good game he has had, he has had 3 bad games. Saying he had incomplete receivers last year is bunk because Decker and Harvin are as good as what Russel Wilson worked with. Until Geno proves himself, especially with his decision making, he is not a viable starter. To say that it is unfair to criticize Geno because Terry Bradshaw was considered stupid is irrelevant because we are comparing decision making on the football field and not standard intelligence. It is observed that until now Geno is stupid on the football field whereas Bradshaw was not. That's the difference that matters. He doesn't deserve a whole season to figure this out. If he is still making the same mistakes in week 4 then it is time for him to ride the pine.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 13:15:48 GMT -5
Jesus, how about knitting yourself a noose? Add one for rex'sneck as well. So are we done for the year? What are your solutions? Or is it just going to be whining for the rest of the year? LOL I'm supposed to come up with solutions? I'm not part of the FO. Maybe some good LSD? Dancing Bears......
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Post by choon328 on Jun 27, 2015 13:34:49 GMT -5
The biggest problem with how the Jets handled Geno the first two years is that instead of taking his skill set and working off of that they decided to try to aggressively mold him into what they wanted him to be. The best thing any Jets coach said this off season was from Gailey. He said that he would mold the offense around what Geno does well instead of the opposite. In college he was in a one read offense where the scheme dictated who was going to be open. Gailey said that after looking at tape Geno was at his best when he had clean reads. He said it was his responsibility to scheme clean reads for him. It's exactly what he did for Fitzpatrick in Buffalo. The problem they eventually ran into with Fitzpatrick was that his physical tools limited his ability to go deep and stretch the field vertically. So defenses started sitting on short passes. That won't be a problem with Geno bc he has elite physical traits and add in the addition of Smith as a vertical threat and it will be hard for defenses to sit on the quick passing scheme that Gailey is implementing. I'm cautiously optimistic for Geno bc I think Bowles fully trusts Gailey and won't hamstring him like Rex did with all of his coordinators. We'll see though.
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Post by rangerous on Jun 27, 2015 18:45:30 GMT -5
The biggest problem with how the Jets handled Geno the first two years is that instead of taking his skill set and working off of that they decided to try to aggressively mold him into what they wanted him to be. The best thing any Jets coach said this off season was from Gailey. He said that he would mold the offense around what Geno does well instead of the opposite. In college he was in a one read offense where the scheme dictated who was going to be open. Gailey said that after looking at tape Geno was at his best when he had clean reads. He said it was his responsibility to scheme clean reads for him. It's exactly what he did for Fitzpatrick in Buffalo. The problem they eventually ran into with Fitzpatrick was that his physical tools limited his ability to go deep and stretch the field vertically. So defenses started sitting on short passes. That won't be a problem with Geno bc he has elite physical traits and add in the addition of Smith as a vertical threat and it will be hard for defenses to sit on the quick passing scheme that Gailey is implementing. I'm cautiously optimistic for Geno bc I think Bowles fully trusts Gailey and won't hamstring him like Rex did with all of his coordinators. We'll see though. much as i tend to agree that geno didn't have the greatest supporting cast, it did improve in his second season with the addition of decker and amaro and geno's production didn't improve. i guess it's all too easy to blame rex and morhinweg at this point. morinhweg was a highly regarded oc when he came on board so it's hard to know what he saw or didn't see in geno. and obviously geno wasn't supposed to start in year one. that was supposed to be sanchez. but even going back many seasons the theme has always been to blame the coaches because the qb sucks. again, to some degree this is true although the only coach who was flat out bad was schitty and even he coached some pretty good games. it's hard to believe the jets didn't actively try to make a team that was complimentary to geno's talents. at the same time only so much can be done before it bcomes apparent that the player isn't doing it or requires too much adaption by the rest of the team. we'll see.
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Post by choon328 on Jun 27, 2015 20:08:51 GMT -5
The biggest problem with how the Jets handled Geno the first two years is that instead of taking his skill set and working off of that they decided to try to aggressively mold him into what they wanted him to be. The best thing any Jets coach said this off season was from Gailey. He said that he would mold the offense around what Geno does well instead of the opposite. In college he was in a one read offense where the scheme dictated who was going to be open. Gailey said that after looking at tape Geno was at his best when he had clean reads. He said it was his responsibility to scheme clean reads for him. It's exactly what he did for Fitzpatrick in Buffalo. The problem they eventually ran into with Fitzpatrick was that his physical tools limited his ability to go deep and stretch the field vertically. So defenses started sitting on short passes. That won't be a problem with Geno bc he has elite physical traits and add in the addition of Smith as a vertical threat and it will be hard for defenses to sit on the quick passing scheme that Gailey is implementing. I'm cautiously optimistic for Geno bc I think Bowles fully trusts Gailey and won't hamstring him like Rex did with all of his coordinators. We'll see though. much as i tend to agree that geno didn't have the greatest supporting cast, it did improve in his second season with the addition of decker and amaro and geno's production didn't improve. i guess it's all too easy to blame rex and morhinweg at this point. morinhweg was a highly regarded oc when he came on board so it's hard to know what he saw or didn't see in geno. and obviously geno wasn't supposed to start in year one. that was supposed to be sanchez. but even going back many seasons the theme has always been to blame the coaches because the qb sucks. again, to some degree this is true although the only coach who was flat out bad was schitty and even he coached some pretty good games. it's hard to believe the jets didn't actively try to make a team that was complimentary to geno's talents. at the same time only so much can be done before it bcomes apparent that the player isn't doing it or requires too much adaption by the rest of the team. we'll see. I never said anything about the talent around him. I was strictly talking about the style of offense they wanted him to run. I guess a good example of what I'm talking about would be RG3. His rookie year they tailored the offense around his skill set and he had his best year. Then going forward they tried to mold him into what they wanted him to be and what offense they wanted him to run instead of going with what he was comfortable with. QB is the most important position on the field. Why not put the QB in the best position to succeed instead of trying to make him something he isn't? While MM is a highly regarded OC he and Rex were trying to put a square peg in a round hole by making Geno run a west coast offense. Gailey will run a system that he knows Geno is most comfortable in and won't ask him to do things that expose his weaknesses. I'm not saying it will work but it'll give Geno the best chance to succeed going forward in my opinion.
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