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Post by PK on Jun 27, 2015 22:25:22 GMT -5
Experience can't make someone mentally better at their job?
I r confused.
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Post by gibby on Jun 29, 2015 14:08:22 GMT -5
Nay
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Jun 29, 2015 14:59:38 GMT -5
Experience can't make someone mentally better at their job? I r confused. Sure it can, in some cases and certain kinds of mental tasks, but I don't think you can "learn" to deal with pressure - if he hasn't already by now |
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Post by greengeek on Jun 29, 2015 17:15:08 GMT -5
This year is huge for Geno. We've officially run out of excuses for his play:
He is now 3rd year.
He has solid talent around him.
He has a coordinator with successful experiences molding an offense to maximize productivity of mid range QB talents.
These three items summarize (all?) the reasons why past performance might not be a future indicator. Each has some validity, but NONE apply here in 2015.
Unless he misses the year for injury, Geno will either produce at a fair to middling level or accumulate ass splinters.
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Post by Vondarkmoor on Jun 30, 2015 5:32:21 GMT -5
Geno isn't very good, but this is one of the reasons why Rex is the worst for a QBs development. I'm all for running the ball 49 times but only because that's what the defense is giving. Can't keep putting your QBs on a roller coaster of game plans and limitations. Hopefully Bowles lets Geno do his thing and then move on from there. Pretty much When they actually took the handcuffs off Geno at the end of last year, he looked like a totally different player. He seems like he plays better when he doesn't have someone in his fucking ear constantly telling him not to turn the ball over. It looks like he performs at a higher level when he's allowed to just go out and play. I'm not sure how the hell you can get into a rhythm as a QB if you've only put the ball in the air 8 times heading into the 4th quarter. Is Geno the answer? Probably not But the kid definitely deserves one more shot with a much improved set of skill players around him. Now what possible reason did Rex have for screaming at Geno not to turn the ball over? Stupid Rex, he clearly ruined the guy. |
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Post by Vondarkmoor on Jun 30, 2015 5:42:56 GMT -5
The biggest problem with how the Jets handled Geno the first two years is that instead of taking his skill set and working off of that they decided to try to aggressively mold him into what they wanted him to be. The best thing any Jets coach said this off season was from Gailey. He said that he would mold the offense around what Geno does well instead of the opposite. In college he was in a one read offense where the scheme dictated who was going to be open. Gailey said that after looking at tape Geno was at his best when he had clean reads. He said it was his responsibility to scheme clean reads for him. It's exactly what he did for Fitzpatrick in Buffalo. The problem they eventually ran into with Fitzpatrick was that his physical tools limited his ability to go deep and stretch the field vertically. So defenses started sitting on short passes. That won't be a problem with Geno bc he has elite physical traits and add in the addition of Smith as a vertical threat and it will be hard for defenses to sit on the quick passing scheme that Gailey is implementing. I'm cautiously optimistic for Geno bc I think Bowles fully trusts Gailey and won't hamstring him like Rex did with all of his coordinators. We'll see though. much as i tend to agree that geno didn't have the greatest supporting cast, it did improve in his second season with the addition of decker and amaro and geno's production didn't improve. i guess it's all too easy to blame rex and morhinweg at this point. morinhweg was a highly regarded oc when he came on board so it's hard to know what he saw or didn't see in geno. and obviously geno wasn't supposed to start in year one. that was supposed to be sanchez. but even going back many seasons the theme has always been to blame the coaches because the qb sucks. again, to some degree this is true although the only coach who was flat out bad was schitty and even he coached some pretty good games. it's hard to believe the jets didn't actively try to make a team that was complimentary to geno's talents. at the same time only so much can be done before it bcomes apparent that the player isn't doing it or requires too much adaption by the rest of the team. we'll see. Lets not re-write history here, Rex only started "hamstringing" Geno after the interception express reached top speed. |
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Post by DDNYjets on Jun 30, 2015 6:13:17 GMT -5
I have the same opinion as I did last year. Right now Geno is the only QB on our roster that can run the offense and has a chance to be our future (consensus is that Petty is going to need some time). For that reason alone we have to run him out there and see what he has. This team is not a SB team and it is the honeymoon year for Bowles and Mac.
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Post by DDNYjets on Jun 30, 2015 6:15:08 GMT -5
much as i tend to agree that geno didn't have the greatest supporting cast, it did improve in his second season with the addition of decker and amaro and geno's production didn't improve. i guess it's all too easy to blame rex and morhinweg at this point. morinhweg was a highly regarded oc when he came on board so it's hard to know what he saw or didn't see in geno. and obviously geno wasn't supposed to start in year one. that was supposed to be sanchez. but even going back many seasons the theme has always been to blame the coaches because the qb sucks. again, to some degree this is true although the only coach who was flat out bad was schitty and even he coached some pretty good games. it's hard to believe the jets didn't actively try to make a team that was complimentary to geno's talents. at the same time only so much can be done before it bcomes apparent that the player isn't doing it or requires too much adaption by the rest of the team. we'll see. Lets not re-write history here, Rex only started "hamstringing" Geno after the interception express reached top speed. The moment a Rex Ryan is hired his philosophies begin to hamstring QBs. His coaching style is not conducive to developing QBs to say the least. "Red" "Yellow" "Green" |
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Post by MDL JET on Jun 30, 2015 11:54:47 GMT -5
much as i tend to agree that geno didn't have the greatest supporting cast, it did improve in his second season with the addition of decker and amaro and geno's production didn't improve. i guess it's all too easy to blame rex and morhinweg at this point. morinhweg was a highly regarded oc when he came on board so it's hard to know what he saw or didn't see in geno. and obviously geno wasn't supposed to start in year one. that was supposed to be sanchez. but even going back many seasons the theme has always been to blame the coaches because the qb sucks. again, to some degree this is true although the only coach who was flat out bad was schitty and even he coached some pretty good games. it's hard to believe the jets didn't actively try to make a team that was complimentary to geno's talents. at the same time only so much can be done before it bcomes apparent that the player isn't doing it or requires too much adaption by the rest of the team. we'll see. And if he does that again the start of this year, fine, but at least we know we can finally move on from him and know for sure that he's not the answer for this team. But if they're gonna start Geno, let him play. No need to reel it in and completely shackle him down after a couple of picks and hope he gets it. I'm really interested to see how Bowles coaches this team and how he handles the QB. Especially coming from Arians. Cardinals didn't exactly abandon the passing game once Palmer went down. If Marshall and Decker stay healthy, I really think we'll see some good QB play from Geno that will win this team some games. As long as the oline keeps him upright... but that's a whole other story. |
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Post by rexneffect on Jun 30, 2015 11:54:51 GMT -5
Lets not re-write history here, Rex only started "hamstringing" Geno after the interception express reached top speed. The moment a Rex Ryan is hired his philosophies begin to hamstring QBs. His coaching style is not conducive to developing QBs to say the least. "Red" "Yellow" "Green" I agree Rex is not a coach who should be anywhere near a young QB but is there any NFL coach who would not have coached Geno against turnovers or try to limit his turnovers? |
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Post by MDL JET on Jun 30, 2015 11:59:48 GMT -5
The moment a Rex Ryan is hired his philosophies begin to hamstring QBs. His coaching style is not conducive to developing QBs to say the least. "Red" "Yellow" "Green" I agree Rex is not a coach who should be anywhere near a young QB but is there any NFL coach who would not have coached Geno against turnovers or try to limit his turnovers? Theres a difference between trying to limit his turnovers and just telling your QB not to throw it. Put him in better situations, play to his strengths, call plays he's comfortable with, etc. Rex made his QBs think WAY too much. |
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Post by greenwave on Jun 30, 2015 12:08:07 GMT -5
I have the same opinion as I did last year. Right now Geno is the only QB on our roster that can run the offense and has a chance to be our future (consensus is that Petty is going to need some time). For that reason alone we have to run him out there and see what he has. This team is not a SB team and it is the honeymoon year for Bowles and Mac. If Geno plays the way he did over the final four games of last season, do you still feel this way? Just curious. If I still have hope for Geno, it's that his "best" is better than any "best" we've had back there for a long time. Vinny had the arm talent, but no athleticism. Pennington had the brains and accuracy, but not enough arm talent to overcome good defenses. Sanchez had all the physical tools, but through four years never had a "signature" game where he was the best player on the field. I just think Geno's ceiling is higher than any QB the team has had since Namath. That's not comparing him to a HOF QB, that's comparing him to the mediocrity the Jets have had at that position over the years. But with that high of a ceiling, I'm willing to give him the full season to sink or swim. People kill Geno rightly for his first two years, but forget that Geno shouldn't have seen the field until late in year one. How would a guy like Tony Romo have looked in his first two professional seasons, if he had been forced into the starting role? We'll never know, because Romo didn't play until year 3. I understand the skepticism from fans, it's justified. But I also don't think he's being given a fair shake - Sanchez got four years despite similar paltry production as a QB. Let's give Geno a full 3. |
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Jun 30, 2015 12:25:59 GMT -5
I agree Rex is not a coach who should be anywhere near a young QB but is there any NFL coach who would not have coached Geno against turnovers or try to limit his turnovers? Theres a difference between trying to limit his turnovers and just telling your QB not to throw it. Put him in better situations, play to his strengths, call plays he's comfortable with, etc. Rex made his QBs think WAY too much. the red yellow green strategy was the exact opposite, it was supposed to take as much thinking out of the equation as possible |
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Post by rangerous on Jun 30, 2015 12:29:32 GMT -5
Lets not re-write history here, Rex only started "hamstringing" Geno after the interception express reached top speed. And if he does that again the start of this year, fine, but at least we know we can finally move on from him and know for sure that he's not the answer for this team. But if they're gonna start Geno, let him play. No need to reel it in and completely shackle him down after a couple of picks and hope he gets it. I'm really interested to see how Bowles coaches this team and how he handles the QB. Especially coming from Arians. Cardinals didn't exactly abandon the passing game once Palmer went down. If Marshall and Decker stay healthy, I really think we'll see some good QB play from Geno that will win this team some games. As long as the oline keeps him upright... but that's a whole other story. believe it or not, the oline did a good job keeping geno upright last season. he simply held the ball too long an was his own worst enemy in this regard. no excuses this year. |
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Post by greengeek on Jun 30, 2015 14:29:41 GMT -5
Lets not re-write history here, Rex only started "hamstringing" Geno after the interception express reached top speed. The moment a Rex Ryan is hired his philosophies begin to hamstring QBs. His coaching style is not conducive to developing QBs to say the least. "Red" "Yellow" "Green" EXACTLY! This is what KILLED Sanchez. He got confused between playing "Red-Light/Green-Light" and "Play like a Jet (meaning always green)". So he went green on every down and THAT ruined him. It was bad coaching...dammit...he was a GUARANTEED STAR if not for the coach!  And then after ruining Sanchez, Rex ruined Geno too. We f'in always draft stars and f'in we always ruin them!!!!! More seriously...
I have to admit that I've never been able to tell the difference between a QB that was a "bust" that was given the reins early and one that was "ruined" BECAUSE he was put in too soon. I believe that BECAUSE it is impossible to tell the difference, the debate will last forever on fan forums. At least the page views will help Ragu pay the bills... |
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