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Post by Paradis on Nov 22, 2015 23:02:56 GMT -5
This regime would be officially incompetent if they went into 2016 with the laurels all on Petty. Not saying it's impossible he develops, but we simply cannot bet next year on the hope that a 4th rounder from Baylor's spread is the answer. Fucking no way. Yep I like Petty, but let's be real here... The odds of him becoming anything more than a career backup are probably around 10%. I'm sure as shit not banking on those odds. If we're in position to grab one of the top QB's, then we need to pull the trigger. This team has only drafted 2 QB's in the 1st round since O'Brien...and we seriously question why we have such a shitty QB history. I don't care if we have holes elsewhere. You aren't going anywhere without a quality QB unless you have the perfect storm of an all-time great defense and a dominating running game coming together. And as the '00 Ravens and '02 Bucs proved...that shit isn't sustainable. It's good for one nice ride and then you have to blow the fucking thing up. Get a goddamn QB. You can still land a quality OL/RB/OLB in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th rounds. But the odds of landing a franchise QB in that area are pretty damn astronomical.
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Post by HawkeyeJet on Nov 22, 2015 23:03:53 GMT -5
What about him? Is he having a big night? I'm not watching. No just in general. I don't follow him. Quick check of stats would show he's been a good kick returner and nothing to write home about as a RB. A better receiver than runner, which is what he was in college.
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Post by RobR on Nov 22, 2015 23:04:06 GMT -5
I'll hold you to that. Bad mechanics and accuracy is all that I see. What are his mechanical issues? Half of his passes are wobblers.
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Post by HawkeyeJet on Nov 22, 2015 23:06:43 GMT -5
What are his mechanical issues? Half of his passes are wobblers. So are Peyton Manning's. Cook is regarded on having pretty good mechanics, so I was just curious,
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Post by Paradis on Nov 22, 2015 23:09:23 GMT -5
I don't follow him. Quick check of stats would show he's been a good kick returner and nothing to write home about as a RB. A better receiver than runner, which is what he was in college. I'm not trying to pick a fight, was seeing if you changed your view on him as you were quite the pessimist last spring. He's most certainly been better than what you've just described above. A quick stat check doesn't tell the story of Arians and his usage of said RB.
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Post by HawkeyeJet on Nov 22, 2015 23:24:15 GMT -5
I don't follow him. Quick check of stats would show he's been a good kick returner and nothing to write home about as a RB. A better receiver than runner, which is what he was in college. I'm not trying to pick a fight, was seeing if you changed your view on him as you were quite the pessimist last spring. He's most certainly been better than what you've just described above. A quick stat check doesn't tell the story of Arians and his usage of said RB. I've derailed this thread enough, so here is my last thought on this. Stats can be misleading in some ways. One of those ways is not how a player is used. Just by looking at his stats, I can tell you he's a backup RB for Arizona that is used more and is more effective as a receiver than a runner. I wasn't pessimistic about him. I just happen to know exactly what he was. He's a guy who is a better receiver out of the back field than he is a runner. He likely will never be someone's main back. Nothing so far indicates that's not his case. He's a decent player. Probably looking at a Shane Vereen type career.
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Post by Paradis on Nov 22, 2015 23:42:34 GMT -5
I'm not trying to pick a fight, was seeing if you changed your view on him as you were quite the pessimist last spring. He's most certainly been better than what you've just described above. A quick stat check doesn't tell the story of Arians and his usage of said RB. I've derailed this thread enough, so here is my last thought on this. Stats can be misleading in some ways. One of those ways is not how a player is used. Just by looking at his stats, I can tell you he's a backup RB for Arizona that is used more and is more effective as a receiver than a runner. I wasn't pessimistic about him. I just happen to know exactly what he was. He's a guy who is a better receiver out of the back field than he is a runner. He likely will never be someone's main back. Nothing so far indicates that's not his case. He's a decent player. Probably looking at a Shane Vereen type career. We'll leave this out of this thread, as you suggested - but your reply clearly suggests (as you've said) you haven't followed him - he's definitely demonstrated rushing chops. If the mood ever strikes you, we can continue this when you get up to speed.
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Post by DowNY on Nov 22, 2015 23:59:19 GMT -5
Don't worry guys, we surely won't hamper any development for Petty by trading for Kap, Stafford or RG3.
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Post by rangerous on Nov 23, 2015 7:50:12 GMT -5
Bryce will be the next QB to take the Jets to the playoffs. I said it when we drafted him. Need to focus on the O Line first and foremost in the draft. Let the kid play pre-season next year, and spin the dice. He will need more time than Fits had today. Thoughts? i'm all for a different qb, at least for next season but i just want to point out that fitz didn't lose that game the defense did. how they let tj yates beat them is beyond me. if you want to complain about fitz for being a journeyman how do you classify a guy who was watching tv and out of football for a few seasons coming in and winning two critical games?
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Post by frostlich on Nov 23, 2015 8:04:15 GMT -5
Bryce will be the next QB to take the Jets to the playoffs. I said it when we drafted him. Need to focus on the O Line first and foremost in the draft. Let the kid play pre-season next year, and spin the dice. He will need more time than Fits had today. Thoughts? O line. We need depth and some maulers to play their part in sustaining drives. Save for a very few hof QBs in this league they will all look like shit if theyre getting mauled before they get a 3 step drop and their RBs have no holes to hit. Our offenses that cant stay on the field suck the life out of our Defense. Been like that for too many years.
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Post by Fishooked on Nov 23, 2015 8:06:40 GMT -5
Bryce will be the next QB to take the Jets to the playoffs. I said it when we drafted him. Need to focus on the O Line first and foremost in the draft. Let the kid play pre-season next year, and spin the dice. He will need more time than Fits had today. Thoughts? i'm all for a different qb, at least for next season but i just want to point out that fitz didn't lose that game the defense did. how they let tj yates beat them is beyond me. if you want to complain about fitz for being a journeyman how do you classify a guy who was watching tv and out of football for a few seasons coming in and winning two critical games? Seriously. The guy was on the fucking street 3 weeks ago.
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Post by Bing© in Buffalo Chairman on Nov 23, 2015 9:15:49 GMT -5
Our game plan sucked yesterday...no run game...
We need a change...
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Post by Paradis on Dec 21, 2015 2:36:12 GMT -5
I'm not trying to pick a fight, was seeing if you changed your view on him as you were quite the pessimist last spring. He's most certainly been better than what you've just described above. A quick stat check doesn't tell the story of Arians and his usage of said RB. I've derailed this thread enough, so here is my last thought on this. Stats can be misleading in some ways. One of those ways is not how a player is used. Just by looking at his stats, I can tell you he's a backup RB for Arizona that is used more and is more effective as a receiver than a runner. I wasn't pessimistic about him. I just happen to know exactly what he was. He's a guy who is a better receiver out of the back field than he is a runner. He likely will never be someone's main back. Nothing so far indicates that's not his case. He's a decent player. Probably looking at a Shane Vereen type career. Mr. Johnson was being used (successfully) as a 3-down back tonight. It's no AP body of work, but he's making a case. Think you're selling him short.
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Post by rangerous on Dec 21, 2015 8:30:08 GMT -5
oh brother. here we go again. people are climbing on the petty band wagon when the starting qb is leading this team to an 11-5 record? i agree that fitz is not an elite qb but the whole issue is fitz being good enough to make this team win. and he has helped this team win by being an on field leader. something that genot wasn't. so now people want to throw petty in at qb after one season of bench warming? imo it's a little premature. petty needs to be used in preseason and even in game situations first. and yes the oline needs some serious upgrading but even there, i don't know what fitz' sack count is but it's way less than mariota's or even brady's. also, unless the coaches see something special in petty they ought to keep looking for a qb through the draft or free agency. it looks like there are some pretty good qb's who might shake loose this off season.
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Post by HawkeyeJet on Dec 21, 2015 8:52:32 GMT -5
I've derailed this thread enough, so here is my last thought on this. Stats can be misleading in some ways. One of those ways is not how a player is used. Just by looking at his stats, I can tell you he's a backup RB for Arizona that is used more and is more effective as a receiver than a runner. I wasn't pessimistic about him. I just happen to know exactly what he was. He's a guy who is a better receiver out of the back field than he is a runner. He likely will never be someone's main back. Nothing so far indicates that's not his case. He's a decent player. Probably looking at a Shane Vereen type career. Mr. Johnson was being used (successfully) as a 3-down back tonight. It's no AP body of work, but he's making a case. Think you're selling him short. I honestly don't care. I'm not trying to be short with you, I really just don't care. I saw him play high school and college football probably 100 times more than anyone else. I didn't think he'd be an everyday NFL back, and I still don't. It's entirely possible I'm wrong. I just don't really care though. I hope he becomes a superstar.
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