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Post by Paradis on Nov 23, 2015 16:17:51 GMT -5
Same person I was on JI for 10 years and have been on here since the day we started. Yes I can be a sarcastic dick at times but it wasn't meant to be solely contrarian. Would I prefer the Bengals O players and especially Dalton butthat amazing Bengals offense lost to the same team we lost to and we scored more points against them. That amazing Bengals team has also lost every game they made it to in the playoffs since 1990! I think that is a pretty important distinction, no? The Jets have been much more successful in recent history even with our crap shoot at QB. Trades at JI? I thought maybe Ragu flipped your name around.
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Post by Trades on Nov 23, 2015 16:19:16 GMT -5
Same person I was on JI for 10 years and have been on here since the day we started. Yes I can be a sarcastic dick at times but it wasn't meant to be solely contrarian. Would I prefer the Bengals O players and especially Dalton butthat amazing Bengals offense lost to the same team we lost to and we scored more points against them. That amazing Bengals team has also lost every game they made it to in the playoffs since 1990! I think that is a pretty important distinction, no? The Jets have been much more successful in recent history even with our crap shoot at QB. Trades at JI? I thought maybe Ragu flipped your name around. Nope its just me. Nothing to see here.
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Post by rangerous on Nov 23, 2015 18:46:36 GMT -5
At this point, I kinda hope we don't. What would you rather have happen, go 8-8 and still miss the playoffs anyway... Or go 5-11 and be in position to grab one of the top QB prospects? I'm going with Option B. I don't give a flying fuck if we have holes elsewhere. So did the Bucs when they took Winston. So did the Titans when they took Mariota. So did the Jags when they took Bortles. QB takes precedent above all else. And you people are fucking daffy if you're going to place all of your faith in some 4th round project to be our saving grace. i don't know who the can't qb's are but with 5 wins it's doubtful thy'll be in a position to draft one.and even there the qb could take two or more seasons to be ready for prime time. so that would mean another season of fitz or some other journeyman. imo they can find a guy who's either a back up or a guy who is in a bad situation. the way this team has been playing of late the problems are well beyond the qb spot.
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Post by rangerous on Nov 23, 2015 18:58:01 GMT -5
I get the angst over the Jets "never drafting skill guys", but in reality, over the past decade or so, the championship teams aren't teams loaded with offensive skill guys taken early in the draft. There are 2 positions really that the Jets have lacked to take them to a different level. A competent QB(we aren't talking Tom Brady or Andrew Luck, Matt Ryan or Flacco level can do)and a legitimate edge rusher. Those are key positions in the NFL and the Jets have not had good players at either of those positions for quite awhile. They haven't "ignored" it as some say, they just have whiffed. Sanchez washed out. Geno Washed out. Coples washed out(which was stupid to think he was an edge rusher to begin with). I think they completely understand the importance there, they just have whiffed. Doesn't necessarily make it better, but it's not as if they are clueless as to what it takes to build a successful team. The offensive playmaker stuff in the draft is one of the most overblown things discussed, in my opinion. There is not a lot of proven success building a team that way. If there was, the Lions would be perennial contenders and the Steelers would be crap. I'm not saying that having playmakers isn't important, but going through the first and second round to get them isn't always the best success model either(outside of QB obviously). You are going to "whiff" more often when you draft skill guys later in the draft. You build your team through the draft and when you rarely draft skill players in the first three rounds your success rate will suffer. Of course it doesn't help when you select guys like Stephen Hill and Devin Smith in the second round, but that goes back to the point of taking the guy with legit "elite" talent. Running back should be one of the easiest positions to draft in any round and yet this team has a poor record of drafting that position. that's true. group jace amaro in the 2nd round skill position set too. i look at it this way. the past few seasons the jets have been picking top 10. this means they have the 42nd pick in the draft. even at that level they should be able to land a player who was the best college player of the year at his position. the draft seems to run in waves. some years the edge rushers dominate the first round, sometimes it's tackles, or wr's, or qb's or whatever. so even drafting 42nd means they should get a darn good player in the second round. but they have been missing left and right and they've gotten very little out of the past 3 drafts.
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Post by maury77 on Nov 23, 2015 20:18:37 GMT -5
You are going to "whiff" more often when you draft skill guys later in the draft. You build your team through the draft and when you rarely draft skill players in the first three rounds your success rate will suffer. Of course it doesn't help when you select guys like Stephen Hill and Devin Smith in the second round, but that goes back to the point of taking the guy with legit "elite" talent. Running back should be one of the easiest positions to draft in any round and yet this team has a poor record of drafting that position. that's true. group jace amaro in the 2nd round skill position set too. i look at it this way. the past few seasons the jets have been picking top 10. this means they have the 42nd pick in the draft. even at that level they should be able to land a player who was the best college player of the year at his position. the draft seems to run in waves. some years the edge rushers dominate the first round, sometimes it's tackles, or wr's, or qb's or whatever. so even drafting 42nd means they should get a darn good player in the second round. but they have been missing left and right and they've gotten very little out of the past 3 drafts. I'm not ready to bail on Jace yet. He had a better season than Pryor last year, but he got hurt this year.
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Post by Peebag on Nov 24, 2015 0:47:50 GMT -5
Trades at JI? I thought maybe Ragu flipped your name around. Nope its just me. Nothing to see here. What are you doing posting in the football forum? Get back to posting them phunny pics!
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Post by Trades on Nov 24, 2015 7:44:48 GMT -5
Nope its just me. Nothing to see here. What are you doing posting in the football forum? Get back to posting them phunny pics!
Yes'm massa.
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