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Post by Paradis on Dec 14, 2015 20:08:41 GMT -5
Yes that might be the worst FA WR class I can remember, ever. (and yes, assuming Jeffery won't leave cause he wont) The young developmental guys further down the list will all get brought back next year by their respective teams. That list is a bald. Cincy has three guys on the list, that's weird timing. They can't all be resigned by Cincinatti can they? Marvin Jones was the only other name I found interesting on that list... but given his production/pedigree, I kinda feel like he'll either resign for team-friendly money OR get overpaid on the market. He's worth sniffing.
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Post by thebigragu on Dec 14, 2015 20:16:58 GMT -5
LOL what. So you're saying he throws a football on a frozen rope? Ill take brains over genos arm strength any day. Or Cutlers or Flaccos. You cheerleaders keep sitting around waiting for the burning 60 yard plays. Watch College football it be more entertaining. The NFL is 90 Percent Brains at the QB position not some swinging dick that can lob a football 80 yards like that braindead fucking infant Geno I'll take Fitz over Geno too, but that doesn't discount that he is what he is. PS, it's not just the distance it's the speed with which the throw arrives. His throws look a lot slower, and probably what the disconnect is between him and Devin. On the plus side - we don't have a deep threat QB. Looks pretty certain Fitz will be here next season. And it seems Fitz would be better served with an awesome slot receiver than a guy who is going to run 50yd downfield....
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Post by Bing© in Buffalo Chairman on Dec 14, 2015 20:20:03 GMT -5
Its how the Jets handle personnel issues...serious injury....
Very Jersey.
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Post by Paradis on Dec 14, 2015 20:50:55 GMT -5
I'll take Fitz over Geno too, but that doesn't discount that he is what he is. PS, it's not just the distance it's the speed with which the throw arrives. His throws look a lot slower, and probably what the disconnect is between him and Devin. On the plus side - we don't have a deep threat QB. Looks pretty certain Fitz will be here next season. And it seems Fitz would be better served with an awesome slot receiver than a guy who is going to run 50yd downfield.... It's not that fitz can't throw deep, it's just that he sucks at it. Don't argue that.
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Post by thebigragu on Dec 14, 2015 21:05:56 GMT -5
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Dec 14, 2015 21:51:11 GMT -5
List of free agent wide receivers from Spotrac. I assume you can quickly take Jeffery off the list - there's no way Chicago won't either franchise tag him or extend his contract. Apart from Jeffery, it's real slim pickings. www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/wide-receiver/Sucks for Smith that he's done for at least 12 months, but I doubt it really affects how Maccagnan approaches the off-season. Yes that might be the worst FA WR class I can remember, ever. (and yes, assuming Jeffery won't leave cause he wont) The young developmental guys further down the list will all get brought back next year by their respective teams. That list is bald. The Bears are supposedly cleaning house and Jeffery was on the block. I wouldn't mind exploring a Richardson + Kerley trade for Jeffery + something. If not give me Laquon Treadwell or Myles Jack in the 1st.
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Post by Hotman on Dec 14, 2015 23:25:34 GMT -5
Which is -----? Kenbrell Thompkins; Jeremy Kerley? Today Bowles named these two guys and added Kerley playing depended on whether he was hurt or not. When did he get hurt? Also as far as Smith being a poor fit for the Gailey's office, wasn't Gailey already the OC at the time? and wouldn't they have known what his offense would be? Kind of strange to select a deep threat with no route running experience in that case. Fitzmagic was signed to be a veteran back-up to Genope. Genope has the arm strength, if not the brains, to hit Smith on deep balls down-field. Enemkpali's sock to the jaw changed a lot. Yup
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Post by Hotman on Dec 14, 2015 23:32:18 GMT -5
On the plus side - we don't have a deep threat QB. Looks pretty certain Fitz will be here next season. And it seems Fitz would be better served with an awesome slot receiver than a guy who is going to run 50yd downfield.... I'm totally fine with that. As long as they keep moving the chains.
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Post by Paradis on Dec 15, 2015 0:51:33 GMT -5
I'll raise a more relevant article:
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Post by JetRepulsion1 on Dec 15, 2015 1:07:49 GMT -5
What a disappointment this Devin smith is. Knew he was a stupid pick.
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Post by quantum on Dec 15, 2015 9:00:51 GMT -5
Geno was never starting the second Bowles walked in here. Regardless of what was said. Maybe he was going out for a game or 2 before he was benched. Fitzpatrick was brought in to go from day one OK then we're back to square one - Devin Smith a weird draft pick for Gailey and Fitz yup we really need one of those fast white midgets (Welker, Amendola, Edleman, Beasly, et al)
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Post by ryu79 on Dec 15, 2015 9:20:20 GMT -5
OK then we're back to square one - Devin Smith a weird draft pick for Gailey and Fitz yup we really need one of those fast white midgets (Welker, Amendola, Edleman, Beasly, et al) That would have been the Brandin Cooks pick. Alas. I am worried for Devin - anyone know if it was just the ACL or there was other damage?
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Dec 15, 2015 11:43:58 GMT -5
Fitzmagic was signed to be a veteran back-up to Genope. Genope has the arm strength, if not the brains, to hit Smith on deep balls down-field. Enemkpali's sock to the jaw changed a lot. I thought of that, but then wasn't the choice of this OC a strange one if Geno was the designated QB? Somebody is the odd man out in this lineup Gailey was brought in because he was highly regarded by a lot of guys Bowles respects and because he runs a "spread" offense, which is similar to what Geno operated in at W.Va. The spread offense is not limited to dink and dunk. While short passing and distributing the ball is the focus of the spread it does incorporate longer passes in its playbook. The feeling was Geno would have a better chance of succeeding with a lot of short, high percentage pass plays, and then when the D cheats up to stop the short passes, Geno would go over the top to Smith. This would force the D to defend the entire field. Fitz has done a great and is an exceptional leader, but he does not force a defense to defend the entire field.
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Dec 15, 2015 11:52:05 GMT -5
OK then we're back to square one - Devin Smith a weird draft pick for Gailey and Fitz I dont know how many times I have to say it or people have to see it. FItz does not have a cannon but there is zero wrong with his arm strength he can make every throw. Hes not chad pennington like people make him out to be. During the bye week, Metro polled six members of the Jets offense to get their take on Fitzpatrick. They were promised anonymity so that they could speak freely and openly. “[Fitzpatrick] commands [the offense] so well,” one player told Metro. “In the huddle, the language comes out clean. He understands the playbook, where we’re supposed to be. There’s no hesitation.” Another player said that “he’s like having a second coordinator out there on practice [field] or [in] meetings or a game. It’s really natural to him.” When asked if Smith had the same command of the offense last year and this year in practices and games, the player would only say that “Fitz has the best command of any quarterback I’ve ever played with in this league. It’s phenomenal.” Fitzpatrick’s numbers are slightly better than Smith’s during the first quarter of the season when compared to the same sample size from last year. But the 3-1 mark is better than at any point during Smith’s two years running things. Fitzpatrick has been criticized for showing a lack of downfield arm strength, something that Smith has no shortage of. With wide receivers such as Brandon Marshall and rookie wide receiver Devin Smith — both home run threats — Smith could potentially be an asset in helping stretch the field. “Geno, I’ve played with him now a couple of years,” one offensive skill position player said during the bye week. “ And Geno has this huge arm, but he hasn’t learned to use it. Ryan has a stronger arm than people think but his placement is good. And this offense doesn’t ask him to throw it 60 yards down field. Just get it over the top of the secondary, over the safeties when they’re playing deep. He can do that. He’s done it a few times this season.“ I don’t get everyone saying he has a weak arm, he doesn’t. His ball placement, man it’s impressive. We haven’t always had that. Some quarterbacks around here in the past, they get you the ball but it’s not in stride. You’re reaching up, going back and it throws you off your route. That can be the difference in a first down or a third down, that little second to stop and get a ball. [Ryan] doesn’t have that issue. He’s placing the ball right there.” www.metro.us/sports/polled-jets-players-in-love-with-ryan-fitzpatrick-not-ready-for-geno-smith-return/zsJojm---i3vM6dubGIgVM/More like the company line, rather than a ringing endorsement of arm strength. And I've got eyes and watch a lot of games other than the Jets. Fitz may be regarded by some as having an "adequate arm", but when you compare him to the top QB's, his arm strength is not even close and his accuracy is average at best. I like the guy and think he is doing great things with the limited talents he possesses, but please do not fool yourself. There is a reason he went to Harvard, was undrafted, and has played for nearly every team in the AFC. His brain is big, but his physical skills are limited.
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Post by thebigragu on Dec 15, 2015 11:54:44 GMT -5
I'll raise a more relevant article: Air yards is defined as the total distance that a football is thrown beyond the line of scrimmage to the point of reception. Air yards is calculated by taking total passing yards and subtracting Yards After the Catch (YAC). More about Quarterback Air Yards While it isn't a clear cut statistic, it does give us an indication of how much of a quarterback's total pass yards are due to the QB vs receiver by eliminating the 2 yard dump pass that ends up being a 50 yard gain. Note: there is a one day delay on the YAC calculation due to ensuring accuracy in review of each play, which may lead to some inaccuracies for a day following each game. Screenshot made with GrabillaScreenshot made with GrabillaLast one is 2014 when fitz only played 12 games.
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