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Post by 2foolish on Jan 6, 2016 14:34:46 GMT -5
it would be impossible to clean up all his DNA just like it would be impossible to clean up all ur DNA from you job or home...now his cleaning up her?...i could see reasonable doubt...but Dasseys interview was not coerced despite what the documentary claims and he said they cleaned it up...Dasseys IQ is clocked at 70...to me that means that he probably couldn't make up a story thats comparable with the evidence... Bottom line for me, is that the two of them are idiots. No way they commit that crime in the manner claimed by the prosecutor without leaving evidence EVERYWHERE. So, they scrub the bedroom, handcuffs, and garage of her DNA, but leave her phone in the burner barrel? They would have to be criminal geniuses to accomplish the former, and I fully expect them to do the latter. thats why its such an compelling story...
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Post by jetswin on Jan 6, 2016 14:37:38 GMT -5
The DNA, the key, even the fire pit seem very questionable imho...even the truck, why hide it in plain sight when he could have crushed it beyond recognition?
How close would the DNA have to be to be someone else in the family looking to set him up? It's a bizarre story but someone killed the girl and I don't think it was the cops.
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Post by Ff2 on Jan 6, 2016 14:44:07 GMT -5
Also his thesis on "Reverse Reverse Racism" is a must read! One of my better works....full of hand-wringing and media-driven false-narratives, with a dose of self-hatred and latent-racist platitudes... and those teen bodies keep filling urban morgues (just like we secretly want, YAY!!!!!!) The militias eat that stuff up, boy howdy. Oh so much hand-wringing. you wouldn't believe it.
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Post by Hotman on Jan 6, 2016 16:40:58 GMT -5
So, they cleaned up everything -- all the blood and her DNA-- but left Avery's DNA as well as bullet? I'm not saying Avery didn't do it, but that's impossible. And wasn't the prosecutor in Avery 2 disbarred or something for sex-related conduct? Absolutely impossible to clean and sanitize that cluttered rats nest of a trailer and garage.... while leaving HIS dna... and only removing hers, and no trace of blood on ANYTHING in the garage with dirty shit EVERYWHERE... no fuckin blood ANYWHERE... Not on the bed... not on the grimy CARPET etc... yet oh, here's a bullet with her blood on it in the garage! How did we miss if after searching for weeks, then go right to ti and find it IMMEDIATELY 6 months later... And Oh we found a drip of his blood in her car, yet not ONE FUCKING FINGERPRINT! And BTW, OOPS we destroyed any use of future testing of that bullet, breaking all protocol, just because and stuff. But the blood was DEFINITELY not from the vial of blood, TAMPERED with from the evidence room with that crooked pig's signature all over EVERYTHING. Including falsified documents and fake police reports. Oh color me shocked. What a coincidence. yes for sexting...but irrelevant to case...i thought Halbachs DNA was on the bullet? Yes... for "sexting" and sexually harassing the VICTIM of a domestic abuse he was prosecuting... over 20 times. I swear man.... some of yall are in for the rudest awkenings of your lives. Just blind to reality. Believe everything they tell you. How much more fuckin proof do you need?! Frightening. It's like textbook brainwashed.
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Post by 2foolish on Jan 6, 2016 16:42:31 GMT -5
yes the guy did a bad thing...it is curious...but the girl asked her boss not to send out to the Averys shop because of harrasment and the cell phone records show Steve Avery called her three times that day...all circumstantial but also curious...i believe he killed her but maybe not the way the cops say he did......
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Post by Hotman on Jan 6, 2016 16:47:46 GMT -5
yes the guy did a bad thing...it is curious... A bad thing?! That guy is pure evil scum of the earth. It's as plain as day and he belongs in prison. I can't even imagine what he's done. No problem framing an innocent man (which was PROVEN) over a fuckin grudge by one of his cop buddy's bitches... And then all that shit again.. Absolutely insane. And he REEKS of child molester. Everything about him. I pray some shit like anonymous drags some shit up on that scumbag and they send him to his death in prison.
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Post by Hotman on Jan 6, 2016 16:50:34 GMT -5
i believe he killed her but maybe not the way the cops say he did...... I don't. Not for a second. The timeline doesn't even fit, and he has a documented, LONG, conversation with his girl who was in jail when this supposedly took place. Also, there is a woman who STRONGLY believes her (ex)husband murdered and burned that lady... and tried to tell those crooked lying pigs. They were married at the time. And their dogs found some of her bones... in the burn pile. They guy knew all kinds of shit about it and even mentioned he went out to the salvage yard when questioned by the wife where was he at. So fucked.
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Jan 6, 2016 16:53:37 GMT -5
So, they cleaned up everything -- all the blood and her DNA-- but left Avery's DNA as well as bullet? I'm not saying Avery didn't do it, but that's impossible. And wasn't the prosecutor in Avery 2 disbarred or something for sex-related conduct? Absolutely impossible to clean and sanitize that cluttered rats nest of a trailer and garage.... while leaving HIS dna... and only removing hers, and no trace of blood on ANYTHING in the garage with dirty shit EVERYWHERE... no fuckin blood ANYWHERE... Not on the bed... not on the grimy CARPET etc... yet oh, here's a bullet with her blood on it in the garage! How did we miss if after searching for weeks, then go right to ti and find it IMMEDIATELY 6 months later... And Oh we found a drip of his blood in her car, yet not ONE FUCKING FINGERPRINT! And BTW, OOPS we destroyed any use of future testing of that bullet, breaking all protocol, just because and stuff. But the blood was DEFINITELY not from the vial of blood, TAMPERED with from the evidence room with that crooked pig's signature all over EVERYTHING. Including falsified documents and fake police reports. Oh color me shocked. What a coincidence. yes for sexting...but irrelevant to case...i thought Halbachs DNA was on the bullet? Yes... for "sexting" and sexually harassing the VICTIM of a domestic abuse he was prosecuting... over 20 times. I swear man.... some of yall are in for the rudest awkenings of your lives. Just blind to reality. Believe everything they tell you. How much more fuckin proof do you need?! Frightening. It's like textbook brainwashed. When a defendant claims the police obtained evidence in violation of his 4th amendment rights, the court has a pretrial hearing to determine if the evidence should be excluded due to the violation. It is exponentially worse when evidence is planted. There is no doubt in my mind that a great deal of evidence was planted, or created, by one or more deputy sheriffs. Therefore, IMO, they should have a pre-trial hearing to determine if any evidence should be excluded because it appears to not be "genuine". And in the future if any criminal defendant raises credible concerns as to fabricated evidence, the court can have a pre-trial "Avery" Hearing to fully address the issue before the case goes to a jury.
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Post by Hotman on Jan 6, 2016 16:55:24 GMT -5
People wanna talk "tin foil" "conspiracy theory" blah blah blah I've had this same type shit happen to me! And I'm not the only one around here too! Not for murder charges obviously... but lying pigs, false police reports, crooked lawyers, handshake deals with prosecutors. It's fuckin infuriating. There is no justice here.
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Post by 2foolish on Jan 6, 2016 16:58:17 GMT -5
i believe he killed her but maybe not the way the cops say he did...... I don't. Not for a second. The timeline doesn't even fit, and he has a documented, LONG, conversation with his girl who was in jail when this supposedly took place. Also, there is a woman who STRONGLY believes her (ex)husband murdered and burned that lady... and tried to tell those crooked lying pigs. They were married at the time. And their dogs found some of her bones... in the burn pile. They guy knew all kinds of shit about it and even mentioned he went out to the salvage yard when questioned by the wife where was he at. So fucked. Dassey admitted it to his mother that they did it and that Avery had sexual abused him also...
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Post by 2foolish on Jan 6, 2016 16:58:45 GMT -5
In this phone conversation (transcript in link) with his mother (which is not entirely included in the docuseries), Brendan told his mother that he did it, that Steven made him do it, and that Steven had touched him (and others) inappropriately in the past.
Mom: What all happened, what are you talking about? Brendan: About what Me & Steven did that day, Mom: What about it? Brendan: Well, Mike & Mark & Matt came up one day and took another interview with me and said because they think I was lying but so, they said if I come out with it that I would have to go to jail for 90 years. Mom: What? Brendan: Ya. But if came out with itT would probably get I dunno about like 20 or less. After the interview they told me if I wanted to say something to her family and said that I was sorry for what I did. Mom: Then Steven did do it. Brendan: Ya Mom: (Mom Crying) Why diddn't you tell me about this? Brendan. Ya, but they came out wi.th something that was untrue with me Mom:. What's that? Brendan: They said that I sold crack
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Mom: So did you talk to her family? Brendan: No M: Huh Brendan: They just asked me if I wanted to say something to them, on the tape. Mom: Did you? Brendan: .lust that I was sorry for what I did.
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Mom: Did he make you do this? Brendan: Ya. Mom: Then why didn't you tell him that. Brendan: Tell him what Mom: That Steven made you do it. You know he made you do a lot of things. Brendan: Ya, I told them that. I even told them about Steven touching me and that. Mom: What do you mean touching you? Brendan: He would grab me somewhere where I was uncomfortable. Mom: Brendan I am your mother. Brendan. Ya. Mom: Why didn't you come to me? Why didn't you tell me? Was this all before this happened? Brendan: What do you mean? Mom: All before this happened, did he touch you before all this stuff happened to you. Brendan: Ya. Mom: Why didn't you come to me, because then he would have been gone then and this wouldn't have happened. Brendan: Ya .. Mom: Yes, and you would still be here with me. Brendan: Yes, Well you know I did it. Mom: Huh Brendan. You know he always touched us and that. Mom: I didn't think there. He used to horse around with you guys. Brendan: Ya, but you remember he would always do stuff to Brian and that. Mom: What do you mean. Brendan: Well he would like fake pumping him Mom: Goofing around Brendan: Ya but, like that one time when he was going with what's her name Jessica .. sister. Mom: Teresa? Brendan: Ya. That one day when she was over, Steven and Blaine and Brian and I was downstairs and Steven was touching her and that.
-- There's no denying that it was unethical as hell for the investigator of Dassey's own attorney to elicit a confession out of Brendan, but the documentary suggests that the investigator peppered Brendan with leading questions and basically fed him the answers. From the full transcript, that is not the case at all. Brendan not only confessed, he gave a very detailed account of what happened. They had sex with Teresa on the bed, then they carried her out to the garage, where they cut her throat, and that's where Steven shot her five times with the .22 Brendan said he pulled from above his bed. Then they threw her in the fire. She begged for her life through the entire ordeal. Brendan even cut off some of her hair. Then they cleaned up with bleach and burned all the clothes in the bonfire.
The bits and pieces from the interview provided in the series make it seem like Brendan is kind of making it up as he goes along or is being fed answers. The 21-page transcript leaves very little doubt of Brendan's role. But again, Brendan's IQ is 70. He'd been molested by Steven in prior occasions. Basically, Steven forced him to do this, and Brendan wasn't bright enough to say no. He's also not bright enough to make up a story that matches much of the evidence, without being fed the answers.
On the other hand, make no mistake: That was tantamount to a coerced confession. From a legal perspective, the information contained within it was worthless. Brendan would've said anything at this point, and it should've never been admitted at trial. Yet, it was, and to any jury seeing it -- and the specificity of the details -- you might see why they believed Avery and Dassey committed the crime.
Sources: Milwaukee Mag, Reddit
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Post by Hotman on Jan 6, 2016 17:00:38 GMT -5
Absolutely impossible to clean and sanitize that cluttered rats nest of a trailer and garage.... while leaving HIS dna... and only removing hers, and no trace of blood on ANYTHING in the garage with dirty shit EVERYWHERE... no fuckin blood ANYWHERE... Not on the bed... not on the grimy CARPET etc... yet oh, here's a bullet with her blood on it in the garage! How did we miss if after searching for weeks, then go right to ti and find it IMMEDIATELY 6 months later... And Oh we found a drip of his blood in her car, yet not ONE FUCKING FINGERPRINT! And BTW, OOPS we destroyed any use of future testing of that bullet, breaking all protocol, just because and stuff. But the blood was DEFINITELY not from the vial of blood, TAMPERED with from the evidence room with that crooked pig's signature all over EVERYTHING. Including falsified documents and fake police reports. Oh color me shocked. What a coincidence. Yes... for "sexting" and sexually harassing the VICTIM of a domestic abuse he was prosecuting... over 20 times. I swear man.... some of yall are in for the rudest awkenings of your lives. Just blind to reality. Believe everything they tell you. How much more fuckin proof do you need?! Frightening. It's like textbook brainwashed. When a defendant claims the police obtained evidence in violation of his 4th amendment rights, the court has a pretrial hearing to determine if the evidence should be excluded due to the violation. It is exponentially worse when evidence is planted. There is no doubt in my mind that a great deal of evidence was planted, or created, by one or more deputy sheriffs. Therefore, IMO, they should have a pre-trial hearing to determine if any evidence should be excluded because it appears to not be "genuine". And in the future if any criminal defendant raises credible concerns as to fabricated evidence, the court can have a pre-trial "Avery" Hearing to fully address the issue before the case goes to a jury. That judge is as crooked as Kratz, Lent, all of them. And that fuckin bastard presided over all of his appeal hearings! They all INSISTED he was guilty of the first rape, when his alibi was ignored, and DNA PROVED he did not do it... yet they refuse to admit to it. Because they knew EXACTLY what they did. And when they were about to lose their jobs and be forced to pay him MILLIONS, well just a couple days later, what'ya know! Arrested for murder. Oh forget his alibis on that one too... or the fact that there is ZERO evidence. Oh and let's ignore the fact that there are people who think they may know who did it, but it ain't Avery who they flat out framed, TWICE now.. fuckin a man this shit pisses me off, this is what I'm talking about.
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Post by 2foolish on Jan 6, 2016 17:00:53 GMT -5
that article says almost the same thing i was thinking...the kid wasn't smart enough to make up, a story so close to the evidence...
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Post by Hotman on Jan 6, 2016 17:02:18 GMT -5
I don't. Not for a second. The timeline doesn't even fit, and he has a documented, LONG, conversation with his girl who was in jail when this supposedly took place. Also, there is a woman who STRONGLY believes her (ex)husband murdered and burned that lady... and tried to tell those crooked lying pigs. They were married at the time. And their dogs found some of her bones... in the burn pile. They guy knew all kinds of shit about it and even mentioned he went out to the salvage yard when questioned by the wife where was he at. So fucked. Dassey admitted it to his mother that they did it and that Avery had sexual abused him also... Did you actually watch this or what?
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Post by 2foolish on Jan 6, 2016 17:04:56 GMT -5
Dassey admitted it to his mother that they did it and that Avery had sexual abused him also... Did you actually watch this or what? i did...i also believe theres reasonable doubt and that the cops framed him for the rape and that they probably planted the blood in his car...i just think they did it...
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