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Post by RobR on Dec 21, 2014 20:09:26 GMT -5
Cooper is not a top ten player. Give me Parker or Peat(hoping he declares) or take a shot at one of the QB's. Cooper is a good prospect, not a great prospect. Respectfully disagree. Cooper is in the same mold as Julio Jones, AJ Green, Mike Evans etc. He is a big physical WR with top end speed as well. He has a great vertical and great hands. Parker is nice but I worry about him being the next Gholston a physical freak who dominated against college competition but can't do it on the next level. Cooper played against the best anyone had and owned them all with less than stellar QBs Not sure if you're trolling with this statement but Cooper is not even close to any of those players. I think even the Cooper fans will admit that much.
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Post by vitony on Dec 21, 2014 20:09:50 GMT -5
Respectfully disagree. Cooper is in the same mold as Julio Jones, AJ Green, Mike Evans etc. He is a big physical WR with top end speed as well. He has a great vertical and great hands. Parker is nice but I worry about him being the next Gholston a physical freak who dominated against college competition but can't do it on the next level. Cooper played against the best anyone had and owned them all with less than stellar QBs Gholston dominated one game against jake long and the combine. That's it. Cooper had a much better college career. He is going to be a very good NFL player. I wasn't comparing Cooper to Gholston. I desperately want the Jets to take Cooper. I was comparing Parker to Cooper. Parker may be the most freakish athlete in college football and ESPN even named him the most freakish for '14. He is a workout freak.
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Post by RobR on Dec 21, 2014 20:12:12 GMT -5
Cooper is not a top ten player. Give me Parker or Peat(hoping he declares) or take a shot at one of the QB's. Cooper is a good prospect, not a great prospect. ha Wait until his stock starts sliding. I like him as a prospect.....but fuck no top 5.
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Post by RobR on Dec 21, 2014 20:14:23 GMT -5
Gholston dominated one game against jake long and the combine. That's it. Cooper had a much better college career. He is going to be a very good NFL player. I wasn't comparing Cooper to Gholston. I desperately want the Jets to take Cooper. I was comparing Parker to Cooper. Parker may be the most freakish athlete in college football and ESPN even named him the most freakish for '14. He is a workout freak. He also has the game tape too back it up. What are we arguing about here?
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Post by Lithfan on Dec 21, 2014 20:15:03 GMT -5
Cooper is not a top ten player. Give me Parker or Peat(hoping he declares) or take a shot at one of the QB's. Cooper is a good prospect, not a great prospect. Respectfully disagree. Cooper is in the same mold as Julio Jones, AJ Green, Mike Evans etc. He is a big physical WR with top end speed as well. He has a great vertical and great hands. Parker is nice but I worry about him being the next Gholston a physical freak who dominated against college competition but can't do it on the next level. Cooper played against the best anyone had and owned them all with less than stellar QBs I see Cooper as more of a Roddy White / Reggie Wayne type of receiver. Not overly big by today's standards -- about 6', but the guys you mention are all 6'3" to 6'5" -- much bigger more physical receivers. I think Cooper has a higher floor, but a lower ceiling than a guy like Parker. He should be a really good pro, but I don't think he will be at the level of a Jones or Green. Probably the next tier of WR -- which is still pretty damn good.
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Post by vitony on Dec 21, 2014 20:16:14 GMT -5
Respectfully disagree. Cooper is in the same mold as Julio Jones, AJ Green, Mike Evans etc. He is a big physical WR with top end speed as well. He has a great vertical and great hands. Parker is nice but I worry about him being the next Gholston a physical freak who dominated against college competition but can't do it on the next level. Cooper played against the best anyone had and owned them all with less than stellar QBs Not sure if you're trolling with this statement but Cooper is not even close to any of those players. I think even the Cooper fans will admit that much. Not even remotely trolling. Cooper is the next in that line of players. Don't just look at the size. 6'1 is the same size as Watkins, only 1 inch shorter than Bryant and only 2 inches shorter than Jones and Gordon. Evans and Green are 6'4 if I am not mistaken. Cooper is physical, can go across the middle and stretch the field. He catches the ball at the highest point, has great body control, runs solid routes and doesn't get jammed off the line. I'm dead serious when I say this kid is going to be special.
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Post by rexneffect on Dec 21, 2014 20:23:31 GMT -5
Not sure if you're trolling with this statement but Cooper is not even close to any of those players. I think even the Cooper fans will admit that much. Not even remotely trolling. Cooper is the next in that line of players. Don't just look at the size. 6'1 is the same size as Watkins, only 1 inch shorter than Bryant and only 2 inches shorter than Jones and Gordon. Evans and Green are 6'4 if I am not mistaken. Cooper is physical, can go across the middle and stretch the field. He catches the ball at the highest point, has great body control, runs solid routes and doesn't get jammed off the line. I'm dead serious when I say this kid is going to be special. Not if Sanjay gets his hands on him.
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Post by RobR on Dec 21, 2014 20:27:32 GMT -5
Not sure if you're trolling with this statement but Cooper is not even close to any of those players. I think even the Cooper fans will admit that much. Not even remotely trolling. Cooper is the next in that line of players. Don't just look at the size. 6'1 is the same size as Watkins, only 1 inch shorter than Bryant and only 2 inches shorter than Jones and Gordon. Evans and Green are 6'4 if I am not mistaken. Cooper is physical, can go across the middle and stretch the field. He catches the ball at the highest point, has great body control, runs solid routes and doesn't get jammed off the line. I'm dead serious when I say this kid is going to be special. How can you not look at the size when comparing those players. Every comparison you mentioned are inches taller than Cooper and they all will run faster. Watkins was much more explosive than Cooper and it's not even close. Cooper is a good prospect and I like him.....just don't compare him to players that have inches on him, jump higher, and are faster. Cooper will never be an AJ Green, Parker can be. And with a top 5 pick I want a difference maker, did you get a chance to watch Bryant today? Cooper will never be that guy.
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Post by Frank Reynolds on Dec 21, 2014 20:29:43 GMT -5
At 6'1'', cooper is an inch taller than OBJ at 6'0". That guy seems to be doing ok.
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Post by vitony on Dec 21, 2014 20:32:44 GMT -5
Not even remotely trolling. Cooper is the next in that line of players. Don't just look at the size. 6'1 is the same size as Watkins, only 1 inch shorter than Bryant and only 2 inches shorter than Jones and Gordon. Evans and Green are 6'4 if I am not mistaken. Cooper is physical, can go across the middle and stretch the field. He catches the ball at the highest point, has great body control, runs solid routes and doesn't get jammed off the line. I'm dead serious when I say this kid is going to be special. How can you not look at the size when comparing those players. Every comparison you mentioned are inches taller than Cooper and they all will run faster. Watkins was much more explosive than Cooper and it's not even close. Cooper is a good prospect and I like him.....just don't compare him to players that have inches on him, jump higher, and are faster. Cooper will never be an AJ Green, Parker can be. And with a top 5 pick I want a difference maker, did you get a chance to watch Bryant today? Cooper will never be that guy. Bryant only has 1 inch on cooper. Bryant is just 220. I think Cooper is about 210. I think Cooper could be a Dez type player, he plays physical and bigger than he is. Just like Dez. The TD catch Dez has, Dez went up and got that at its highest point. Cooper can do that too. While he won't run faster than Watkins, I think he is a better all around receiver than Watkins. I think he will run just as fast as Julio or AJ or Evans or Dez. Probably faster than Dez did.
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Post by RobR on Dec 21, 2014 20:37:02 GMT -5
How can you not look at the size when comparing those players. Every comparison you mentioned are inches taller than Cooper and they all will run faster. Watkins was much more explosive than Cooper and it's not even close. Cooper is a good prospect and I like him.....just don't compare him to players that have inches on him, jump higher, and are faster. Cooper will never be an AJ Green, Parker can be. And with a top 5 pick I want a difference maker, did you get a chance to watch Bryant today? Cooper will never be that guy. Bryant only has 1 inch on cooper. Bryant is just 220. I think Cooper is about 210. I think Cooper could be a Dez type player, he plays physical and bigger than he is. Just like Dez. The TD catch Dez has, Dez went up and got that at its highest point. Cooper can do that too. While he won't run faster than Watkins, I think he is a better all around receiver than Watkins. I think he will run just as fast as Julio or AJ or Evans or Dez. Probably faster than Dez did. If you can compare Dez to Cooper we'll just agree too disagree. Even as college prospects they are nothing alike.
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Post by Touchable on Dec 21, 2014 21:02:55 GMT -5
Respectfully disagree. Cooper is in the same mold as Julio Jones, AJ Green, Mike Evans etc. He is a big physical WR with top end speed as well. He has a great vertical and great hands. Parker is nice but I worry about him being the next Gholston a physical freak who dominated against college competition but can't do it on the next level. Cooper played against the best anyone had and owned them all with less than stellar QBs I see Cooper as more of a Roddy White / Reggie Wayne type of receiver. Not overly big by today's standards -- about 6', but the guys you mention are all 6'3" to 6'5" -- much bigger more physical receivers. I think Cooper has a higher floor, but a lower ceiling than a guy like Parker. He should be a really good pro, but I don't think he will be at the level of a Jones or Green. Probably the next tier of WR -- which is still pretty damn good. I agree that Cooper is in that Reggie Wayne/Roddy White/Chad Johnson mold And I really don't see how anyone could be against that. Cooper is a good bet to be an 1100 yard, 8-10 TD a year receiver for the next decade provided that you have a halfway competent QB. A fantastic route runner whose work ethic Mel Kiper compared to Jerry Rice. The kid is supposedly relentless in his preparation and is obsessive over his craft as a receiver. I like Parker and he may present the more eye popping physical tools, but he's definitely still a raw player and certainly presents more risk IMO. Cooper is one of the more polished overall receivers that I've seen come out of college in a long time. Definitely my first choice if we can't land Mariota
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Post by 10pennytocoles87 on Dec 21, 2014 21:37:00 GMT -5
I see Cooper as more of a Roddy White / Reggie Wayne type of receiver. Not overly big by today's standards -- about 6', but the guys you mention are all 6'3" to 6'5" -- much bigger more physical receivers. I think Cooper has a higher floor, but a lower ceiling than a guy like Parker. He should be a really good pro, but I don't think he will be at the level of a Jones or Green. Probably the next tier of WR -- which is still pretty damn good. I agree that Cooper is in that Reggie Wayne/Roddy White/Chad Johnson mold And I really don't see how anyone could be against that. Cooper is a good bet to be an 1100 yard, 8-10 TD a year receiver for the next decade provided that you have a halfway competent QB. A fantastic route runner whose work ethic Mel Kiper compared to Jerry Rice. The kid is supposedly relentless in his preparation and is obsessive over his craft as a receiver. I like Parker and he may present the more eye popping physical tools, but he's definitely still a raw player and certainly presents more risk IMO. Cooper is one of the more polished overall receivers that I've seen come out of college in a long time. Definitely my first choice if we can't land Mariota I don't want Roddy White or Chad Johnson. I want AJ Green or Demaryius Thomas or Dez Bryant. Parker (or even DGB) is closer to that.
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Post by gangrene on Dec 21, 2014 23:28:17 GMT -5
Yeah this team is not accustomed to getting great players We're much better off with Percy, his $10mil per year salary, and brittle bones. We need to continue our streak of consecutive drafts picking d-line guys. Good One Rank ...
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Post by Bavarian on Dec 22, 2014 8:37:28 GMT -5
I agree that Cooper is in that Reggie Wayne/Roddy White/Chad Johnson mold And I really don't see how anyone could be against that. Cooper is a good bet to be an 1100 yard, 8-10 TD a year receiver for the next decade provided that you have a halfway competent QB. A fantastic route runner whose work ethic Mel Kiper compared to Jerry Rice. The kid is supposedly relentless in his preparation and is obsessive over his craft as a receiver. I like Parker and he may present the more eye popping physical tools, but he's definitely still a raw player and certainly presents more risk IMO. Cooper is one of the more polished overall receivers that I've seen come out of college in a long time. Definitely my first choice if we can't land Mariota I don't want Roddy White or Chad Johnson. I want AJ Green or Demaryius Thomas or Dez Bryant. Parker (or even DGB) is closer to that. As a GM, that's a tall order considering that the Jets spent so much on WR's this year for Decker and Harvin. Thomas or Bryant will be even more expensive. You will now be impacting other positions being upgraded since you've allocated so much at WR. And let's be clear on one thing, WR isn't the only position of need. But that's your choice. I think that as a rule of thumb, you want a young vet FA opposite a player on his rookie contract for maximum cap fiscal practice. When the rookie contract expires, he is now the young vet and you go get another player on a rookie deal thereby minimizing cost at that position. This is what John set out to do but failed in signing the FA's and then failed.
And to set up an all-star corp of WR's isn't quite going to get it done when you have no QB. Those top players you mention are also looking to the next contract and how will they get there when they will get about 3 catches a game? They won't pick up the phone. IMO, I think the Jets need at this point to draft a WR.
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