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Post by rangerous on Mar 8, 2016 12:26:15 GMT -5
that's why maccagnan gets the big bucks. it's not as bad as it seems. true enough that marshall and decker have short shelf lives and mangold and brick are getting beyond their sell by dates but they do have some young guys for depth on the oline and amaro and smith will be coming back as well as owusu and enunwa in the receiving corps. fitz? depends on what he wants. he's good enough for a couple of seasons while petty and or genot and or ? get ready. on defense they have a stacked line but as many teams have demonstrated a stacked line doesn't necessarily mean great qb pressure. so even though harrison or wilkerson may be going out the door it doesn't mean they won't be replaced by equal or better players or the defensive scheme changed to take advantage. as for the cap, it's low from the standpoint of signing or even re-signing free agents but they also have 6 draft picks so between the draft and udfa's they should be able to get better. and they should be able to renegotiate brick's contract. I respectfully ask you -- what's your point? "Yes, we have all these problems... but cmon..." that's about what your reply amounted to. You acknowledged all the issues, and made vague references to "depth" and the potential of replacements... If this was a business meeting, and that was your presentation on how to address the issues, I'd have pushed the "trap-door" button about 10 minutes ago. you related to the donald? my point is should you decide to read and interpret instead of making proclamations you can't back up is that maccagnan is the guy making the decisions and he'll have to figure out who to keep and who to let walk. as for your comments about wilk, i don't care if he's the second coming of klecko, if he gets signed for 15 mi and it ruins the cap then he really can't be on the team. if the jets can parlay wilk into a high first rounder then so be it. as for williams, yes he does make wilk more expendable. but you know as well as anyone that the dline gets gassed due to more teams trying to run hurry up offenses so drafting williams is just another highly talented player to rotate into the line.
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Post by carlito1171 on Mar 8, 2016 12:37:24 GMT -5
This is what happens when you spend every first round pick on a defensive player. Jets over the years had several chances to grab a top level WR, RB even a good QB and passed for another Defensive player it will be no different this year guaranteed they will take another defensive player. Its is not just that, its is also a result of how pathetic our offensive draft picks have been going back to 2007 -- the year after we took Brick and Mangold. This is a list of all of the offensive players we have taken in the first 4 rounds since 2006: Year | Round | Player | Position | 2015 | 2 | Devin Smith | WR | 2015 | 4 | Bryce Petty | QB | 2014 | 2 | Jace Amaro | TE | 2014 | 4 | Jalen Saunders | WR | 2014 | 4 | Shaq Evans | WR | 2014 | 4 | Dakota Dozier | G | 2013 | 2 | Geno Smith | QB | 2013 | 3 | Brian Winters | G | 2012 | 2 | Stephen Hill | WR | 2011 | 4 | Bilal Powell | RB | 2010 | 2 | Vlad Ducasse | T | 2010 | 4 | Joe Mcknight | RB | 2009 | 1 | Mark Sanchez | QB | 2009 | 3 | Shonn Greene | RB | 2008 | 1 | Dustin Keller | TE |
This should form the nucleus of our offense, especially the guys picked in the last 4 or 5 drafts. And we have one starter -- Brian Winters -- and he only started through injury to Colon last season. If you don't draft well and develop your young talent, then you are forced to overpay in free agency which leaves you in the position we are in today. Even when the free agents work out -- guys like Marshall, Decker, and to a lesser extent, Carpenter, they are expensive relative to draft picks. In order to overhaul the offense, we need to start to draft well. Good post. This is the bottom line....if we drafted better this would all be a moot point. Moreso then FA, I'm more interested in seeing what Mac does with a full year of his own guys in there after the Florham Park mass exodus...
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Post by Paradis on Mar 8, 2016 12:37:53 GMT -5
I respectfully ask you -- what's your point? "Yes, we have all these problems... but cmon..." that's about what your reply amounted to. You acknowledged all the issues, and made vague references to "depth" and the potential of replacements... If this was a business meeting, and that was your presentation on how to address the issues, I'd have pushed the "trap-door" button about 10 minutes ago. you related to the donald? my point is should you decide to read and interpret instead of making proclamations you can't back up is that maccagnan is the guy making the decisions and he'll have to figure out who to keep and who to let walk. as for your comments about wilk, i don't care if he's the second coming of klecko, if he gets signed for 15 mi and it ruins the cap then he really can't be on the team. if the jets can parlay wilk into a high first rounder then so be it. as for williams, yes he does make wilk more expendable. but you know as well as anyone that the dline gets gassed due to more teams trying to run hurry up offenses so drafting williams is just another highly talented player to rotate into the line. Between the lack of commas, and verbal diarrhea - I don't know what you're trying to say. Honestly. I wanted to hang a lantern on the rough shape our roster is in offensively. You said "no it's not" and then started talking to yourself.
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Post by rangerous on Mar 8, 2016 17:24:02 GMT -5
you related to the donald? my point is should you decide to read and interpret instead of making proclamations you can't back up is that maccagnan is the guy making the decisions and he'll have to figure out who to keep and who to let walk. as for your comments about wilk, i don't care if he's the second coming of klecko, if he gets signed for 15 mi and it ruins the cap then he really can't be on the team. if the jets can parlay wilk into a high first rounder then so be it. as for williams, yes he does make wilk more expendable. but you know as well as anyone that the dline gets gassed due to more teams trying to run hurry up offenses so drafting williams is just another highly talented player to rotate into the line. Between the lack of commas, and verbal diarrhea - I don't know what you're trying to say. Honestly. I wanted to hang a lantern on the rough shape our roster is in offensively. You said "no it's not" and then started talking to yourself. i said it wasn't as bad as it seems. you seem to forget that this so called horrendous offense did better than any jet offense since 1985 or so. you also seem to have forgotten that the unit that performed the worst was the special teams and it's not like the defense was as dominant as their reputation. i will agree that the ofense has not received enough attention over the past 5 seasons. things are looking up since they have marshall and decker and there is every reason to believe that smith and amaro will be very nice compliments. as for the oline, much of what goes on with the oline is a function of qb play. i'm certain you know this and fitz proved to be much better than geno at avoiding the rush even if he doesn't have a world class arm or accuracy. the running backs? we all like the way ivory runs. he made the most out of an oline that didn't run block very well. cheer up, there is some young depth and they should be able to get some good talent in the draft. finally i want to point out that many teams have done very well with "patchwork" olines. the patsies of this past season had issues with keeping people healthy and both the steelers and the chargers have had problems in the past. it's just one of those things.
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