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Post by Touchable on Dec 22, 2014 12:46:42 GMT -5
www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/bondy-hold-fire-idzik-falls-rex-article-1.2052800Blame John Idzik all you want for the Jets’ woes, but this loss to Tom SparklePony and Fagtriots is on Rex Ryan There comes a time when the Jets' coaching staff must take its share of blame for what can only be called truly stupid football.
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS Monday, December 22, 2014, 12:25 AM By Filip Bondy You want to join the pitchfork posse and blame this whole mess on John Idzik, go right ahead. He’s not the most personable fellow, he’s the one who hitched his wagon to Geno Smith, and you’ll have plenty of company — including the fans waving the yellow towels Sunday in the stands and the ones flying flags outside MetLife stadium. But really, there comes a time when the Jets’ coaching staff must take its share of blame for what can only be called truly stupid football. It wasn’t Idzik who called for Smith’s deep drop on third-and-4 at the Pats*’ 24, when the Jets were within an easy field goal of taking the lead late in the fourth quarter. It wasn’t Idzik who then iced his own kicker by messing up the play clock and line assignments, calling a hectic timeout. Finally, it wasn’t Idzik who allowed Calvin Pryor and Dawan Landry to knock Brandon Bolden out of bounds after the Patriot back already had a first down with 1:41 left in the game. At that juncture, the Jets should have let Bolden score, their last, remote chance. This, in the end, is on Rex Ryan, who once again designed a wonderful defensive scheme to trouble Tom SparklePony and then ignored a lot of game-management details that made the difference. You want to know what makes Bill Homeless Hoodie such an uncommon success? He doesn’t miss those details. He sees the whole field, both sides of the ball. He sees the clock, figures the odds. It’s not just about Tom SparklePony with him. So Ryan exits East Rutherford for good, in all likelihood, with a final boast and a final defeat. He exits as a fine defensive coordinator, a wonderful guy and a flawed head coach. “We’re always the team that gives (SparklePony) the greatest challenge, whether he admits it or not,” Ryan said. “We play different than most teams in the league.” SparklePony doesn’t have to admit anything, not after the Fagtriots beat Ryan for the ninth time in 13 meetings. There always seem to be these big moments in games, and Ryan’s staff does not often put his players in position to succeed in those moments. Marty Mornhinweg warned Smith not to take the sack, and after the game Ryan said, “You can't take a sack in that situation.” But they both should know Smith’s limitations, and that New England would bring big pressure on that down. This was the time for a draw, or simply a running play that would center the ball between the hash marks for Nick Folk. Instead, Smith was overwhelmed, in every sense of that word. “I didn’t have a chance for an outlet,” he said. The 10-yard loss turned a 42-yard field goal into a 52-yarder, and then the Jets appeared completely confused about what to do next. “We took a little time to decide what we’re gonna do,” said Folk, after the kick was partially blocked by Vince Wilfork. “We didn’t have confidence with the line at the 34. That’s where the confusion took place.” The kick was tipped, as is fairly common with low-trajectory, 52-yard attempts. Then New England came down and ran out the clock, because the Jets couldn’t stop them and then were too dumb to let Boldin score. Some of this is on Idzik, true. He helped put together this team with a relatively low football IQ. But some perspective is in order. Idzik was hired less than two years ago. Ryan has been around for five years, he’s assembled his staff. He should know better in so many ways. Out in Section L-15 of the parking lot Sunday, that’s what a fan, Ken Baal from Centereach, L.I., was saying, a lonely voice in the void. Baal was flying a green “Keep Patient” flag above his white van, and he might have been the only guy out there who would tell you Idzik was getting a bum rap. “I’ve never heard of fans calling for a general manager to be fired,” Baal said. “Usually, they don’t even know who the general manager is. I think he’s made some good moves. There’s enough talent on offense and defense not to go 3-12. I have to blame the coaching staff. You gonna tell me that two cornerbacks doomed the whole team?” The cornerbacks were just fine on Sunday. Everything was just fine until the biggest moments, when the game slipped away again from Ryan. When he and Mornhinweg botched their own goodbye.
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Post by rexneffect on Dec 22, 2014 13:02:00 GMT -5
Smith doesn't know how to throw the ball away in his second year as an NFL starter so that's...Rex's fault?
You can put this story with the WP story posted today and get two sides of an absolutionist debate between who is at fault. It's like two ships going in opposite directions and never meeting. Both the coaching and management staff have blame in everything that has happened this season. Acting like it's one or the other just requires ignoring a long list of facts.
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Post by Hotman on Dec 22, 2014 13:03:57 GMT -5
UT are you a bigtime Idzik supporter?
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Post by Touchable on Dec 22, 2014 13:09:41 GMT -5
UT are you a bigtime Idzik supporter? No I just think it's ridiculous how some flatout despise the guy while still defending Rex, tooth and nail. If Idzik is retained, then I understand. You allow him to finally pick his own HC and give them both a minimum of 2 years. Otherwise, you aren't attracting anyone worthwhile when they know they could be shitcanned after one season. If Woody decides to part ways and totally clean house, then I'm cool with that as well. But under absolutely no circumstance should Rex be retained. It should be obvious to everyone by now that the guy just isn't a competent gameday coach and our offense will always be stuck in the fucking paleolithic period with him running the show. |
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Post by DDNYjets on Dec 22, 2014 13:14:47 GMT -5
Not sure what you guys expect Geno to do. He is inside of a collapsing pocket. Intentional grounding is the same as a sack.
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Post by Touchable on Dec 22, 2014 13:16:05 GMT -5
Not sure what you guys expect Geno to do. He is inside of a collapsing pocket. Intentional grounding is the same as a sack. This |
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Post by sec.101row23 on Dec 22, 2014 13:21:59 GMT -5
Not sure what you guys expect Geno to do. He is inside of a collapsing pocket. Intentional grounding is the same as a sack. True, and it's not like he left Folk with a 60 yard FG, it was 52 yards, well with in his range. That game was not all about the INT and that sack. What happened after the Jets picked off Brady before the FG attempt? Classic ultra conservative Rex, run on first down, run on second down, pass attempt on third down. Never even tried to score a TD, he played for a FG attempt. |
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Post by vicmill on Dec 22, 2014 14:40:21 GMT -5
Smith doesn't know how to throw the ball away in his second year as an NFL starter so that's...Rex's fault? You can put this story with the WP story posted today and get two sides of an absolutionist debate between who is at fault. It's like two ships going in opposite directions and never meeting. Both the coaching and management staff have blame in everything that has happened this season. Acting like it's one or the other just requires ignoring a long list of facts. Yes, its Rex's fault. He has a quarterback with a good arm and good legs and can't teach him how to think about the game situationally. He's too busy drawing up exotic blitz schemes. |
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Post by vin on Dec 22, 2014 15:26:25 GMT -5
Not sure what you guys expect Geno to do. He is inside of a collapsing pocket. Intentional grounding is the same as a sack. That game was not all about the INT and that sack. What happened after the Jets picked off SparklePony before the FG attempt? Classic ultra conservative Rex, run on first down, run on second down, pass attempt on third down. Never even tried to score a TD, he played for a FG attempt. Was that kick partially-blocked? |
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Post by DDNYjets on Dec 22, 2014 15:28:07 GMT -5
True, and it's not like he left Folk with a 60 yard FG, it was 52 yards, well with in his range. That game was not all about the INT and that sack. What happened after the Jets picked off SparklePony before the FG attempt? Classic ultra conservative Rex, run on first down, run on second down, pass attempt on third down. Never even tried to score a TD, he played for a FG attempt. Was that kick partially-blocked? It was. But it was also very low. Wilfat barely gets a inch off the ground when he jumps. |
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Post by vin on Dec 22, 2014 15:36:46 GMT -5
Was that kick partially-blocked? It was. But it was also very low. Wilfat barely gets a inch off the ground when he jumps. So basically, Nick went for maximum distance instead of height and miscalculated. Meh. It happens. |
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Post by Redlichtie on Dec 22, 2014 16:08:33 GMT -5
Not sure what you guys expect Geno to do. He is inside of a collapsing pocket. Intentional grounding is the same as a sack. This 100%...there have been some sacks this year where Smith has held on too long but also a lot of the sacks have been where the pressure has been almost instant and he's had nowhere to go. |
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Post by Harrier on Dec 22, 2014 16:14:18 GMT -5
UT are you a bigtime Idzik supporter? No I just think it's ridiculous how some flatout despise the guy while still defending Rex, tooth and nail. If Idzik is retained, then I understand. You allow him to finally pick his own HC and give them both a minimum of 2 years. Otherwise, you aren't attracting anyone worthwhile when they know they could be shitcanned after one season. If Woody decides to part ways and totally clean house, then I'm cool with that as well. But under absolutely no circumstance should Rex be retained. It should be obvious to everyone by now that the guy just isn't a competent gameday coach and our offense will always be stuck in the fucking paleolithic period with him running the show. It's not about being an Idzik supporter, it's about not putting entire blame on a guy who was hired to "try" and sort the exact same issues that existed long before he was appointed. Every problem we currently have existed long before Idzik came here, exempt for a better CB situation. |
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Post by Aussie Jet on Dec 22, 2014 16:22:01 GMT -5
Smith doesn't know how to throw the ball away in his second year as an NFL starter so that's...Rex's fault? You can put this story with the WP story posted today and get two sides of an absolutionist debate between who is at fault. It's like two ships going in opposite directions and never meeting. Both the coaching and management staff have blame in everything that has happened this season. Acting like it's one or the other just requires ignoring a long list of facts. Yes, its Rex's fault. He has a quarterback with a good arm and good legs and can't teach him how to think about the game situationally. He's too busy drawing up exotic blitz schemes. Beat me to it. Rex is the head coach. It's his responsibility to coach up the players on his roster so that they maximise their ability. Except for a defensive lineman or two (Mo, Snacks, Sheldon), I struggle to think of many players that Rex made better in his time as head coach of the Jets (Revis aside when he turned from a good corner into the best corner in the league). Even if they're not "Rex's guys" and they play on the other side of the football, which seems to be a foreign country to Rex, he has had the responsibility at the end of the day to make them better players and to make them work as a team to win football games. Perhaps I'm wrong and other people can point me out those players on offence he's made better during his time as the Jets head coach. Unfortunately for Rex, the trend is heading in the wrong direction and accelerating. |
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Post by nyahaybus on Dec 22, 2014 16:34:33 GMT -5
The sack was Powell's fault. He abandoned his inside position to pick up a guy coming from the outside. Had he stayed put, 'nope would have had more time to get rid of it. Actually, it was more than just Powell the blocking on that play was a disaster.
OTOH there would have been nothing wrong with calling the 3rd down draw that Paul Hackett was famous for, esp. if you regarded the situation as being 4-down territory.
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