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Post by Hotman on Mar 23, 2016 15:03:33 GMT -5
Trump supporters you mean? As a Brit, what do you think of Trump?
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Post by Hotman on Mar 23, 2016 15:13:57 GMT -5
Political leanings aside, I have to say how awesome it is to have Dukey and Harrier to give us the "boots on the ground" perspective from Europe. On a fvcking Jets site, no less. Pretty fvcking awesome, I'd say! Btw, Raoul, was just in Quebec (did their St. Pats Parade). Great Frenchies and micks there... and a beautiful town. If you ever bail out of France....and the U.S. doesnt do it for ya...just saying. Loved it there, def. going back. Monitor Facebook and Twitter for subversive threats and deport any non-citizens; keep a close watch on citizens. Montreal has some of the sexiest womens I ever seen in my life.
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Post by Harrier on Mar 23, 2016 17:06:25 GMT -5
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Post by Harrier on Mar 23, 2016 17:32:34 GMT -5
Oh and his hair fuckin rocks.
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Post by Jetworks on Mar 23, 2016 18:38:58 GMT -5
Calling someone "uneducated" is a dog whistle. The left cries about the right using them. Nice double-standard. Obama ran as the anti-Bush. Called the man's policies unpatriotic. He was the "smartest guy in the room" and former president of the Hard Law Review that was going to be the great uniter. So the bar was set higher than it was for Bush that most people felt was a guy they would like to have a beer with and understood that his daddy got him into Yale. Sums him up so nicely. Anyone smart enough (and without an ego to constantly placate) knows that means you're in the wrong room.
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Post by Raoul Duke on Mar 24, 2016 3:05:26 GMT -5
Political leanings aside, I have to say how awesome it is to have Dukey and Harrier to give us the "boots on the ground" perspective from Europe. On a fvcking Jets site, no less. Pretty fvcking awesome, I'd say! Btw, Raoul, was just in Quebec (did their St. Pats Parade). Great Frenchies and micks there... and a beautiful town. If you ever bail out of France....and the U.S. doesnt do it for ya...just saying. Loved it there, def. going back. I visited about 8 years ago with the wife. Really nice city and people. It's weird because everything reminded me of the US (same road signs, ..etc) except everyone spoke French.
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Post by The Turk on Mar 24, 2016 3:14:23 GMT -5
How do you deport a citizen? Where do you send him? Why would Saudi Arabia accept an American/French/Belgian etc. . Most of these people are citizens so in the eyes of the law no different from you, at least in theory. Some may be first generation so let's say you revoke their citizenship but what about those whose parents/grandparents went there 60-70-80 years ago? What about those that are either fleeing this lunacy or at least trying to but had the misfortune of being born in a Muslim country (like me for example)? Let's say you build the wall and kept them out and even kicked all the ones out. The day you start doing that I guarantee you the radicals will go to the closest church,go thru a charade of convertion and remain there. Then what you'll kick everyone who used to be muslims out? And I suspect this might happen simply because we're the Jets and one of our best players is a Muslim. Of course this is going to happen. I wonder what we can get for Mo from the Riyadh Jihadis? you're assuming they are citizens - there are quite a few who are not. As for the ones that are citizens? Charge them with incitement to riot, conspiracy to murder... whatever. Just stop looking the other way. I was thinking more about the immigrant communities in Europe and less about America. I know for a fact that there are millions of muslims (Turks, Albanians and Bosniaks in Germany - Moroccans, Algerians, Tunisians and Turks in France etc.) that are citizens. There might be some truth to what you say about looking the other way. Apperantly one of the Bruxells bombers was deported from Turkey last year and was sent back to Netherlands because of his suspected links to ISIS and both the Belgians and the Dutch were warned and did nothing. Or at least not enough to stop these attacks. www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/brussels-attacks-president-erdogan-bomber-turkey-belgium-deported-isis-terrorist-terror-a6948341.html
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Post by The Turk on Mar 24, 2016 3:22:55 GMT -5
BTW its scary how much the Trump-Anti Trump rhetoric resembles the Erdogan-Anti Erdogan rhetoric in Turkey. The opposition has been calling the Erdogan supporters "ignorant sheep, anatolian idiots" etc. One even went so far as to say why does my vote count the same as a sheepherder in Anatolia. This actually plays into the hands of Erdogan in Turkey as he has unbelievably created this mirage of an "oppressed president". . Its lunacy when you think about it he is the most powerful man in the country and he still plays the victim card because the "white Turkish elite" look down on him.
What this caused in Turkey was that even if he did something his supporters were not in agreement with they still either kept silent or gave tacit approval because of this irrational snobness towards themselves. From what I can see, albeit from afar and from a very limited sample size, there is something similar going in in your neck of the woods.
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Post by DDNYjets on Mar 24, 2016 7:10:11 GMT -5
BTW its scary how much the Trump-Anti Trump rhetoric resembles the Erdogan-Anti Erdogan rhetoric in Turkey. The opposition has been calling the Erdogan supporters "ignorant sheep, anatolian idiots" etc. One even went so far as to say why does my vote count the same as a sheepherder in Anatolia. This actually plays into the hands of Erdogan in Turkey as he has unbelievably created this mirage of an "oppressed president". . Its lunacy when you think about it he is the most powerful man in the country and he still plays the victim card because the "white Turkish elite" look down on him. What this caused in Turkey was that even if he did something his supporters were not in agreement with they still either kept silent or gave tacit approval because of this irrational snobness towards themselves. From what I can see, albeit from afar and from a very limited sample size, there is something similar going in in your neck of the woods. Trump has done plenty to warrant criticism but I think a lot of people have and still are underestimated him and his supporters. They are just people that are fed up. I dont care if they dont have masters degrees. Frankly for every toothless moron at a Trump rally I can show you an Ivy Leaguer in Washington that has failed his/her country.
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Post by The Turk on Mar 24, 2016 8:02:15 GMT -5
BTW its scary how much the Trump-Anti Trump rhetoric resembles the Erdogan-Anti Erdogan rhetoric in Turkey. The opposition has been calling the Erdogan supporters "ignorant sheep, anatolian idiots" etc. One even went so far as to say why does my vote count the same as a sheepherder in Anatolia. This actually plays into the hands of Erdogan in Turkey as he has unbelievably created this mirage of an "oppressed president". . Its lunacy when you think about it he is the most powerful man in the country and he still plays the victim card because the "white Turkish elite" look down on him. What this caused in Turkey was that even if he did something his supporters were not in agreement with they still either kept silent or gave tacit approval because of this irrational snobness towards themselves. From what I can see, albeit from afar and from a very limited sample size, there is something similar going in in your neck of the woods. Trump has done plenty to warrant criticism but I think a lot of people have and still are underestimated him and his supporters. They are just people that are fed up. I dont care if they dont have masters degrees. Frankly for every toothless moron at a Trump rally I can show you an Ivy Leaguer in Washington that has failed his/her country. I agree with the principle. The people who have not been classically educated have the same rights as those that have. For the most part politics are not rocket science, I am oversimplifying here obviously at the very base of it its about sense of right and wrong and managing the masses. Neither of which require a college degree. That's why I was backing Erdogan's party before he flew off the handle and became an unbearable autocrat. Yes he wasn't what we were used to in the affluent parts if Istanbul but the republican elite failed the country. They ignored the masses and just tried to fill the coffers of a small minority, and with the backing of the Army making coup d'etats every decade or so they were kept in power by artificial means. But once Erdogan gained the power he forgot all about the platform he ran on minority rights, democracy, human rights etc. and just became more and more authoritarian. Of course no two countries are the same and we have plenty of fundamental differences in culture, sociology etc. but its just striking for me to see the same arguments, almost verbatim, I saw 15 years in Turkey in an American context.
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Post by quantum on Mar 24, 2016 9:02:26 GMT -5
BTW its scary how much the Trump-Anti Trump rhetoric resembles the Erdogan-Anti Erdogan rhetoric in Turkey. The opposition has been calling the Erdogan supporters "ignorant sheep, anatolian idiots" etc. One even went so far as to say why does my vote count the same as a sheepherder in Anatolia. This actually plays into the hands of Erdogan in Turkey as he has unbelievably created this mirage of an "oppressed president". . Its lunacy when you think about it he is the most powerful man in the country and he still plays the victim card because the "white Turkish elite" look down on him. What this caused in Turkey was that even if he did something his supporters were not in agreement with they still either kept silent or gave tacit approval because of this irrational snobness towards themselves. From what I can see, albeit from afar and from a very limited sample size, there is something similar going in in your neck of the woods. Trump has done plenty to warrant criticism but I think a lot of people have and still are underestimated him and his supporters. They are just people that are fed up. I dont care if they dont have masters degrees. Frankly for every toothless moron at a Trump rally I can show you an Ivy Leaguer in Washington that has failed his/her country. that's a horrible stereotype, which is wrong: I'll willingly vote for Trump and I graduated magna cum laude with a BS in computer science, and i'm still earning IT certifications. AND I have all my teeth. I want someone who's not afraid to play by dirty libturd rules in an election, and that's Trump. Certainly not Mittens or McCain. Republicans need to overcome the dirty tricks, lies, and bullshit of the left including the media, and most Republicans today either don't know how to play or refuse to play. Fight fire with fire.
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Post by ricard78 on Mar 24, 2016 10:40:17 GMT -5
I'm just going to leave this link here for people to read. I'm not going to get into any argument about religion as I believe all religion is evil and until the human race educates itself away for this one religion will always be looking to destroy the other. I see so much rhetoric about closing borders and not accepting refugees that the west displaced in the first place but everyone is looking over the fact that the majority of these horrific acts are being carried out by Europeans who are petty criminals and not even "true Muslims" before they are radicalised. Stop the madness
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Post by Raoul Duke on Mar 24, 2016 10:58:33 GMT -5
I'm just going to leave this link here for people to read. I'm not going to get into any argument about religion as I believe all religion is evil and until the human race educates itself away for this one religion will always be looking to destroy the other. I see so much rhetoric about closing borders and not accepting refugees that the west displaced in the first place but everyone is looking over the fact that the majority of these horrific acts are being carried out by Europeans who are petty criminals and not even "true Muslims" before they are radicalised. Stop the madnessGood read.
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Post by jetstream23 on Mar 24, 2016 11:59:55 GMT -5
Europe continues to get these wake-up calls, the question is whether they're going to truly get out of bed and confront or just keep hitting the snooze bar in my opinion. I’m curious what it is we should be doing which we’re not. Even if you seal off the borders to refugees you still have a problem with inbred radicalism through the ghettos and prisons. Like Turk said earlier, I’m not even sure that ends the problem. What would America do if Mexicans (or of mexican descent) were muslim? Seal off the borders OK, but you still have millions on your soil, some productive legal citizens, others are trying to get by, and others are just not fitting in for various reasons. What do you do? The odds are all in their favor. You can stop 99% of these random attacks and still lose because they have to succeed only once. I'm just going to leave this link here for people to read. I'm not going to get into any argument about religion as I believe all religion is evil and until the human race educates itself away for this one religion will always be looking to destroy the other. I see so much rhetoric about closing borders and not accepting refugees that the west displaced in the first place but everyone is looking over the fact that the majority of these horrific acts are being carried out by Europeans who are petty criminals and not even "true Muslims" before they are radicalised. Stop the madness"integrated into society," is the key phrase in that article IMO and I think it's a major reason why Europe has a somewhat bigger challenge than America right now. My perception is that Muslim-Americans are here for the same reasons my family came here from Ireland two generations ago, a better life and more opportunity. In large part I believe that Muslim-Americans are finding that better life and those better opportunities as they integrate with society. Europe seems to have a much more isolated, ghettoized population of Muslims. When people are put in a corner (and it's the dirtiest, darkest corner of the room) and feel disenfranchised then it's not surprising that a small percentage act out in an aggressive manner....and that others of the same population may turn a blind eye or not cooperate with authorities doing an investigation. Belgium has what, 11 million people, France has a population of about 66 million? Yet the problem with young, radical Islamists seems much more prevalent that what we're seeing here in America right now with a population of 320+ million. Again, just my perception.
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Post by jetstream23 on Mar 24, 2016 12:08:10 GMT -5
The U.S. lacks the will and leadership in the White House to do what it takes to stop terrorism at its source, a former undercover CIA officer who is now a Republican congressman said Wednesday, a day after the deadly attacks in Brussels. The nation's intelligence apparatus does not lack the ability to "solve the problem and put terrorists on the run," Texas Rep. Will Hurd told CNBC's "Squawk Box." Stressing the need to put more operatives on the ground in Iraq and Syria, he said: "The problem is abroad. The problem is our lack of strategy against ISIS in Iraq and Syria." "I spent 9½ years as an undercover officer in the CIA. I was the guy the in the back alleys at 4 o'clock in the morning, collecting intelligence on threats to our homeland," Hurd said. "I know the men and women in the CIA are eager and willing to go in." Airstrikes and diplomacy are not enough, said Jamil Jaffer, vice president for strategy and business development at IronNet Cybersecurity and former Department of Justice security expert. "We've got to address this cancer where the root is, and we haven't done that yet," Jaffer told CNBC's "Squawk Alley." "These people are being inspired from abroad. So do I think ... that we need to be patrolling neighborhoods at home? I think we need to take the fight to the terrorists where we know they live and operate." Though critics have argued that "boots on the ground" could cause violence to spread, Jaffer said waiting for attacks to come into Western countries is a failed policy. Pointing to the chaos in the Mideast, Hurd said Russia's role to protect Syrian President Bashar Assad in the country's 5-year-old civil war has had a domino effect. "The reason that you have the humanitarian crisis in the region is because of Bashar al-Assad. His policies and his killing his own people indiscriminately has caused those 4 million refugees to go throughout Europe. It's created the environment in which ISIS has grown up." Another factor contributing to the rise of terrorist ideology in European countries lies with how immigrants are treated, said George Mitchell, former special envoy for Middle East peace under President Barack Obama.
"In the U.S., we've taken in many more immigrants overall, than any other country. But we have a policy of assimilation. We've encouraged them to become citizens," the Democratic former Senator majority leader said. "That has not been the case in most countries around the world."
"As a result, there's been a huge ghettoization of unassimilated groups [in Europe]," said Mitchell, adding that that has created a subset of poor, disenfranchised, and in some cases desperate individuals.
Mitchell believes European countries need to recognize these trends and change their approach "given the tremendous internal conflicts within Islam that are producing these kind of radical extremists."
But former ambassador Frank Wisner said though the neighborhood of the suspects faces high unemployment, many countries have influence and power over the roots of ISIS and must all work together. "This is a small minority," Wisner told CNBC's "Squawk on the Street." "They are extremely well-organized and they're vicious. They have to be crushed, and the way you do it is through good police and good intelligence. And, good international cooperation. This is not only a Belgian problem," said Wisner, international affairs advisor at Squire Patton Boggs and former ambassador to Zambia, Egypt, the Philippines and India. Also on CNBC, Danny Danon, Israeli ambassador to the United Nations, said the task of combating terrorism is a two-step process, offensive measures such as developing human intelligence and deploying technology, and defensive measures like tighter airport security. "Unfortunately, we [Israelis] have experience dealing with terrorists. And we're telling our friends in Europe, we stand with you," said Dannon, former Israeli deputy minister of defense. "But first, you have to develop a moral clarity, no justification, no excuses, no self-blaming. You have to fight terrorism, period." The Islamic State terror group has claimed responsibility for the two bombings at Brussels' main airport and at a city metro station. Thirty-one people were killed and at least 270 were wounded. In describing Israel's approach to airport security, Dannon said: "In Israel, when you go to the terminal in the airport, you are being checked twice before you get to the check-in area." In the U.S. and Europe, passengers go through only one security screening. Profiling also needs to be deployed, Dannon said. "I know it's a sensitive issue here in the U.S., but it works, commonsense. Someone who is 22 years old who's coming to board a plane, maybe you want to check him and not to check a grandmother who's 85 years old." — CNBC's Anita Balakrishnan contributed to this report. www.cnbc.com/2016/03/23/ex-cia-officer-do-this-to-root-out-terror.html
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