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Post by jets.penguin on Jan 8, 2017 10:12:00 GMT -5
Well, we shall see. Mac obviously didn't like Lynch. Hack has been reduced to the worst QB ever. I say he will surprise the naysayers. Time will tell. This thread may be bumped a couple of times more over the next couple of years. John Elway who knows a thing or two about QBs liked Lynch. I'll take his recommendation over Macc, the only GM in the league who liked a QB who sounds like throw up/ vomit. What makes you think Elway knows a thing or two about drafting QB's? He knew a hell of a lot about PLAYING qb but we dont have a freaking clue if he knows any more about drafting them than you do. A monkey could have figured out signing Manning was a good idea...we have no other evidence to suggest he is a good QB talent evaluator.
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Post by Paradis on Jan 8, 2017 15:05:29 GMT -5
John Elway who knows a thing or two about QBs liked Lynch. I'll take his recommendation over Macc, the only GM in the league who liked a QB who sounds like throw up/ vomit. What makes you think Elway knows a thing or two about drafting QB's? He knew a hell of a lot about PLAYING qb but we dont have a freaking clue if he knows any more about drafting them than you do. A monkey could have figured out signing Manning was a good idea...we have no other evidence to suggest he is a good QB talent evaluator. Disagree. He had the wherewithal to ditch Tebow (to us), which seems obvious now, but that came on the heels of Tebow winning a playoff game. He got Manning, which is very much a worthy feather in his cap. Manning hadn't played in a year. He also got more out of his 7th round pick in Trevor, then we did from Petty in the 4th... and he has Lynch on his roster. Elway knows what he's doing.
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Post by Paradis on Jan 8, 2017 15:07:39 GMT -5
agreed. I didn't like lynch that much but if I was a GM and betting my career on a QB I would have taken him over Hack. I honestly dont think he is a much better prospect that Hack. He shot up the draft boards as the draft got closer but the more I looked at him, heard him and saw him all I saw is a kid who is tall, goofy and not bright enough to success at this level. I dont know his gpa or wonderlick score but I gotta tell you, I got the same gut feeling for this kid as I did when I saw sanchez on the morning show the day before the draft in ny when they asked him about the jets drafting him. I could be wrong and in a few years we will see but my guess is he is a cold stone bust and Hack is at least as likely to succeed or to fail as lynch is. I have a hard time digesting your remarks when you compare Lynch who was a developing winner his last 2 years in college, and Hack who showed next to nothing at Penn state. The same Penn State team that just won the big and played in the rose bowl with Hack.
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Post by jets.penguin on Jan 8, 2017 15:33:51 GMT -5
What makes you think Elway knows a thing or two about drafting QB's? He knew a hell of a lot about PLAYING qb but we dont have a freaking clue if he knows any more about drafting them than you do. A monkey could have figured out signing Manning was a good idea...we have no other evidence to suggest he is a good QB talent evaluator. Disagree. He had the wherewithal to ditch Tebow (to us), which seems obvious now, but that came on the heels of Tebow winning a playoff game. He got Manning, which is very much a worthy feather in his cap. Manning hadn't played in a year. He also got more out of his 7th round pick in Trevor, then we did from Petty in the 4th... and he has Lynch on his roster. Elway knows what he's doing. We're going to have to agree to disagree. Getting rid of Tebow does not make him a great evaluator almost everybody knows that Tebow couldn't throw which is why there was such debate about him being drafted in the first place Hell even a few people on this board knew that Tebow was a bum quarterback. Getting Manning wasn't a brainstorm even we tried to get Manning so again that's not Superior evaluation he just had a better team than some of Manning's other options. And getting more out of his seventh round pick then we got out of petty is more of a testament to how poorly our team has been run then to the greatness of Elway.
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Post by jets.penguin on Jan 8, 2017 15:35:33 GMT -5
What makes you think Elway knows a thing or two about drafting QB's? He knew a hell of a lot about PLAYING qb but we dont have a freaking clue if he knows any more about drafting them than you do. A monkey could have figured out signing Manning was a good idea...we have no other evidence to suggest he is a good QB talent evaluator. Disagree. He had the wherewithal to ditch Tebow (to us), which seems obvious now, but that came on the heels of Tebow winning a playoff game. He got Manning, which is very much a worthy feather in his cap. Manning hadn't played in a year. He also got more out of his 7th round pick in Trevor, then we did from Petty in the 4th... and he has Lynch on his roster. Elway knows what he's doing. And so far having lynch on his roster is not a feather in his cap because he hasn't done anything yet will know about that a little more down the road
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Post by Paradis on Jan 8, 2017 15:51:12 GMT -5
Disagree. He had the wherewithal to ditch Tebow (to us), which seems obvious now, but that came on the heels of Tebow winning a playoff game. He got Manning, which is very much a worthy feather in his cap. Manning hadn't played in a year. He also got more out of his 7th round pick in Trevor, then we did from Petty in the 4th... and he has Lynch on his roster. Elway knows what he's doing. We're going to have to agree to disagree. Getting rid of Tebow does not make him a great evaluator almost everybody knows that Tebow couldn't throw which is why there was such debate about him being drafted in the first place Hell even a few people on this board knew that Tebow was a bum quarterback. Getting Manning wasn't a brainstorm even we tried to get Manning so again that's not Superior evaluation he just had a better team than some of Manning's other options. And getting more out of his seventh round pick then we got out of petty is more of a testament to how poorly our team has been run then to the greatness of Elway. no. He knows he what's doing. Everything you said here is spoonful of hindsight.
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Post by jets.penguin on Jan 8, 2017 17:02:03 GMT -5
We're going to have to agree to disagree. Getting rid of Tebow does not make him a great evaluator almost everybody knows that Tebow couldn't throw which is why there was such debate about him being drafted in the first place Hell even a few people on this board knew that Tebow was a bum quarterback. Getting Manning wasn't a brainstorm even we tried to get Manning so again that's not Superior evaluation he just had a better team than some of Manning's other options. And getting more out of his seventh round pick then we got out of petty is more of a testament to how poorly our team has been run then to the greatness of Elway. no. He knows he what's doing. Everything you said here is spoonful of hindsight. Maybe he does and maybe he doesn't. Like I said, we have to agree to disagree. It's not hindsight that Tebow sucked, maybe you felt differently but I didn't and I remember many others here and on JI saying the same thing. Then and now. The Broncos tailored an offense around his limitations because it was clear THEN that he sucked. No new flash here. I also remember THEN us trying to get Horsehead but didnt as he wasnt interested in us. Some people here and in the media did a lot of speculating about his neck injury and how he would hold up but it didnt stop our management from being interested. Not hindsight, a team starving for a QB such as ours not willing to take that risk would be idiots. Us not getting much out of petty being a symptom of a larger problem on this team maybe hindsight but it isnt isolated to the QB so again this doesnt make Elway any smarter. Hindsight is when you allow new information obtained after the fact help you make determinations. None of this is new information or anything that hasnt been stated to death years ago. We will see soon enough what Lynch is or isn't. I know he's your boy, I see you post about him so you believe he is going to be something special. I saw you post about him even before the draft, I get it. I think that goofy fucker is gonna be a bust. I guess time will tell.
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Post by bxjetfan on Jan 8, 2017 18:59:18 GMT -5
Our Oline got the QB knocked out 4 times. You can't get a fair evaluation of a QB when he is under that much duress in my opinion.
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Post by JetRepulsion1 on Jan 8, 2017 19:24:00 GMT -5
John Elway who knows a thing or two about QBs liked Lynch. I'll take his recommendation over Macc, the only GM in the league who liked a QB who sounds like throw up/ vomit. What makes you think Elway knows a thing or two about drafting QB's? He knew a hell of a lot about PLAYING qb but we dont have a freaking clue if he knows any more about drafting them than you do. A monkey could have figured out signing Manning was a good idea...we have no other evidence to suggest he is a good QB talent evaluator. Lynch can hit the ocean and Hack can't. So, Lynch is already better. ) but, we all know hack is gonna suck. Everyone in the league knows. Even people within the Jets organization know. It was a wasted pick. Look at Penn State without Hack. He was he one holding them back. There's like 5 fans holding out hope, but the rest of the world knows it.
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Post by HawkeyeJet on Jan 8, 2017 19:41:04 GMT -5
Elway's draft have actually been pretty poor in Denver. His 2nd RD picks are just as bad as Macs. Von Miller was obviously a great pick, but was also an obvious one.
The best thing Elway has done is get Manning in Denver and spend well in FA around him.
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Post by jets.penguin on Jan 8, 2017 20:05:43 GMT -5
What makes you think Elway knows a thing or two about drafting QB's? He knew a hell of a lot about PLAYING qb but we dont have a freaking clue if he knows any more about drafting them than you do. A monkey could have figured out signing Manning was a good idea...we have no other evidence to suggest he is a good QB talent evaluator. Lynch can hit the ocean and Hack can't. So, Lynch is already better. ) but, we all know hack is gonna suck. Everyone in the league knows. Even people within the Jets organization know. It was a wasted pick. Look at Penn State without Hack. He was he one holding them back. There's like 5 fans holding out hope, but the rest of the world knows it. I'm not about to stand here and defend hack but I dont believe every thing I reak from other "hacks" like manish and his unknown sources. that being said, my original statement to you was about elway not hack....and I dont believe that penn state suddenly got better cause one player left. Football isnt that simple, cmon man please tell me you know better than that.
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Jan 8, 2017 20:15:44 GMT -5
Elway's draft have actually been pretty poor in Denver. His 2nd RD picks are just as bad as Macs. Von Miller was obviously a great pick, but was also an obvious one. The best thing Elway has done is get Manning in Denver and spend well in FA around him. Just Von Miller was a great pick? He also drafted Julius Thomas, Derek Wolfe, Malik Jackson, Danny Trevathan, CJ Anderson, Bradley Roby, Shaquil Barrett. Add in Semian who would be our best QB, Ronnie Hillman, Shane Ray who is probably just as good or better than Mauldin and Jordan. He also drafted Brock Osweiler and didn't make the mistake of resigning him to a huge contract so he'll get a nice comp pick for him. Oh and he got Chris Harris as a UDFA. Almost all of these players would start for us or be great depth. You add in his FA signings and he's done a great job.
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Post by HawkeyeJet on Jan 8, 2017 20:39:51 GMT -5
Elway's draft have actually been pretty poor in Denver. His 2nd RD picks are just as bad as Macs. Von Miller was obviously a great pick, but was also an obvious one. The best thing Elway has done is get Manning in Denver and spend well in FA around him. Just Von Miller was a great pick? He also drafted Julius Thomas, Derek Wolfe, Malik Jackson, Danny Trevathan, CJ Anderson, Bradley Roby, Shaquil Barrett. Add in Semian who would be our best QB, Ronnie Hillman, Shane Ray who is probably just as good or better than Mauldin and Jordan. He also drafted Brock Osweiler and didn't make the mistake of resigning him to a huge contract so he'll get a nice comp pick for him. Oh and he got Chris Harris as a UDFA. Almost all of these players would start for us or be great depth. You add in his FA signings and he's done a great job. Again,that's your opinion. Lots of those guys you list are just contributors in my opinion. Some are extremely overrated. Unless I'm mistaken, you scoffed at me saying Mac had drafted some solid contributors. Elway has also had 5 drafts compared to Mac. I can't get a good read on you. You say things that just don't jive sometimes. You point out Rey is as good or better than Mauldin and Jenkins. One is a 1st RD pick, the others are 3rd. If Rey is in the same conversation as the other two, that's a testament to Mac, not Elway. The reality is, that if he drafted extremely well, they wouldn't have had to spend so much in FA to fill so many roster holes
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Post by JetRepulsion1 on Jan 8, 2017 20:40:12 GMT -5
Elway's draft have actually been pretty poor in Denver. His 2nd RD picks are just as bad as Macs. Von Miller was obviously a great pick, but was also an obvious one. The best thing Elway has done is get Manning in Denver and spend well in FA around him. Just Von Miller was a great pick? He also drafted Julius Thomas, Derek Wolfe, Malik Jackson, Danny Trevathan, CJ Anderson, Bradley Roby, Shaquil Barrett. Add in Semian who would be our best QB, Ronnie Hillman, Shane Ray who is probably just as good or better than Mauldin and Jordan. He also drafted Brock Osweiler and didn't make the mistake of resigning him to a huge contract so he'll get a nice comp pick for him. Oh and he got Chris Harris as a UDFA. Almost all of these players would start for us or be great depth. You add in his FA signings and he's done a great job. The team has also been to two SBs in he last few years and won one. The jets? Choked last year in the last game with a wuss schedule, have probably the worst roster in the league (old losers and young talentless busts) and are going no where. In fact, they are probably at the lowest point in their pathetic history.
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Post by JetRepulsion1 on Jan 8, 2017 20:45:06 GMT -5
Lynch can hit the ocean and Hack can't. So, Lynch is already better. ) but, we all know hack is gonna suck. Everyone in the league knows. Even people within the Jets organization know. It was a wasted pick. Look at Penn State without Hack. He was he one holding them back. There's like 5 fans holding out hope, but the rest of the world knows it. I'm not about to stand here and defend hack but I dont believe every thing I reak from other "hacks" like manish and his unknown sources. that being said, my original statement to you was about elway not hack....and I dont believe that penn state suddenly got better cause one player left. Football isnt that simple, cmon man please tell me you know better than that. It wasn't just manish - ESPN and others reported it too. And, we can just sense that hack sux. Accuracy issues almost never get fixed (and he has a million other issues too). In fact, most of us (and the world) knew it the minute they drafted him. And nothing that transpired in pre season or practice all year or what we've heard has changed that. Seems like it took the jets clueless GM and bumbling coach a year to see what everyone else knew already.
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