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Post by RobR on May 1, 2016 23:18:29 GMT -5
How do you know he didn't? We're watching an edited piece of film and there is no way the network wanted to see Hack throw the entire staff of PSU under the bus. It's not good business for the NFL, not good for Hack, and it's not good for PSU. They're just protecting their interests and it was widely reported in individual interviews that Hack threw the coaching staff at PSU under the bus and deflected blame. Sometimes brutal honesty is best left behind closed doors. By that standard, how do we know anything? Not saying you are wrong and im sure a lot is said in private but we can only go by what we see. You missed the basis of my post. It was pointing out that even if Gruden asked the hard questions, which I'm sure he did, the networks will never air that. It's bad business for all of the parties involved. Regarding the private interviews that was kind of my point although I didn't express it well. We don't know, will never know, and for the most part are only left making educated guesses. Everything us everyday fans that are exposed too regarding leaks, will have the stories changed within a week. Look no further than Hack, in the early stages the leaks were he put his teammates and staff under the bus......later that changed and it said he didn't. Who the hell knows what happened and he had multiple interviews with different teams so they obviously went different. I put absolutely no stock into leaks about interviews unless they come to a consensus.
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Post by RobR on May 1, 2016 23:22:38 GMT -5
How do you know he didn't? We're watching an edited piece of film and there is no way the network wanted to see Hack throw the entire staff of PSU under the bus. It's not good business for the NFL, not good for Hack, and it's not good for PSU. They're just protecting their interests and it was widely reported in individual interviews that Hack threw the coaching staff at PSU under the bus and deflected blame. Sometimes brutal honesty is best left behind closed doors. according to the Jenny Vrentas article he didn't. How much more credibility does Vrentas have over any of our other beat writers? Truth is all of them don't know shit and make multiple predictions so one of them sticks.
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Post by crossfire on May 1, 2016 23:43:59 GMT -5
Gruden should have asked him why it happened. It makes no sense. I'd like to hear somebody explain it. Hackenberg only said he was told to do it. If Gruden had any balls, he would have asked why. Then again, I can't stand Gruden so the less he spoke, the better. How do you know he didn't? We're watching an edited piece of film and there is no way the network wanted to see Hack throw the entire staff of PSU under the bus. It's not good business for the NFL, not good for Hack, and it's not good for PSU. They're just protecting their interests and it was widely reported in individual interviews that Hack threw the coaching staff at PSU under the bus and deflected blame. Sometimes brutal honesty is best left behind closed doors. Ok, let's play the same logic... How do you know that the "widely reported" story that Hack reportedly threw the PSU coaching staff under the bus was actually true? How do you know he actually said it? Tell me exactly who the sources were. Supposedly it was said to two NFL teams. And even if the sources did say it, there is no way it wasn't true? And there is never any disinformation thrown out there? Noooooooo. Sources never lie. No team would ever throw out disinformation to get a competitive advantage. See? It's easy to dispel what you don't want to hear and believe what you want. Fans... people in general... do it all the time. But to get back to the point I made, in a segment on ESPN, Gruden should have delved into the question a bit more. As I recall, and I saw the segment more than once, it was uncut during that part. No splices. No edits. Could they have refilmed it? Sure. I doubt it. I'm not a Gruden fan but even I give him credit for preparing for the segment. But of course it could have been edited. But if he didn't ask it and then it was edited, it's even more embarrassing for Gruden and ESPN.
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Post by crossfire on May 1, 2016 23:50:18 GMT -5
according to the Jenny Vrentas article he didn't. How much more credibility does Vrentas have over any of our other beat writers? Truth is all of them don't know shit and make multiple predictions so one of them sticks. Perfect. You just proved my point. People believed the story they want to believe and dismissed what they don't want to believe.
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Post by RobR on May 2, 2016 0:02:43 GMT -5
How do you know he didn't? We're watching an edited piece of film and there is no way the network wanted to see Hack throw the entire staff of PSU under the bus. It's not good business for the NFL, not good for Hack, and it's not good for PSU. They're just protecting their interests and it was widely reported in individual interviews that Hack threw the coaching staff at PSU under the bus and deflected blame. Sometimes brutal honesty is best left behind closed doors. Ok, let's play the same logic... How do you know that the "widely reported" story that Hack reportedly threw the PSU coaching staff under the bus was actually true? How do you know he actually said it? Tell me exactly who the sources were. Supposedly it was said to two NFL teams. And even if the sources did say it, there is no way it wasn't true? And there is never any disinformation thrown out there? Noooooooo. Sources never lie. No team would ever throw out disinformation to get a competitive advantage. See? It's easy to dispel what you don't want to hear and believe what you want. Fans... people in general... do it all the time. But to get back to the point I made, in a segment on ESPN, Gruden should have delved into the question a bit more. As I recall, and I saw the segment more than once, it was uncut during that part. No splices. No edits. Could they have refilmed it? Sure. I doubt it. I'm not a Gruden fan but even I give him credit for preparing for the segment. But of course it could have been edited. But if he didn't ask it and then it was edited, it's even more embarrassing for Gruden and ESPN. At this point I think we're arguing the same premise. There were conflicting reports of what Hack said in private interviews that none of us will ever be privy to and he interviewed with multiple teams. Are the reports accurate or not? I have absolutely no clue but I can have an informed opinion. I'm GUESSING he did both to some extent, and I don't blame him, if he was brutally honest. Sorry about the Gruden piece but I didn't focus in on the film frames. My point still stands. They more than likely did at least 10-12 hours of filming, maybe it wasn't asked at that time, but it was asked. It was in the best interest of all parties not too air it.
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Post by RobR on May 2, 2016 0:08:43 GMT -5
How much more credibility does Vrentas have over any of our other beat writers? Truth is all of them don't know shit and make multiple predictions so one of them sticks. Perfect. You just proved my point. People believed the story they want to believe and dismissed what they don't want to believe. Your point? Most of the diehards here read many reports taking each for their own worth and coming to an informed conclusion. Jenny Vrentas is way down my list just like most of our other beat writers.
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Post by The Turk on May 2, 2016 3:44:49 GMT -5
You know what I've absolutely loved nearly everything I've watched about this guy since the draft. For the first time in a long time I trust the OC, and the GM. I love it that he could, as a fucking freshman in college, read defenses and adjust plays at the line of scrimmage, something for example Sanchez or Geno still cannot do to save their lives. After watching all of this I wouldn't be surprised to see him under center against the Bengals if Fitz doesn't see the light. I2m guessing its going to take this kid about a week to catch up to the knucklehead in terms of learning our offense. The only thing that really worries me is, as others have said, whether he's shellshocked from all the hits he took. Well we'll see won't we.
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Post by Yankees45 on May 2, 2016 6:04:16 GMT -5
You know what I've absolutely loved nearly everything I've watched about this guy since the draft. For the first time in a long time I trust the OC, and the GM. I love it that he could, as a fucking freshman in college, read defenses and adjust plays at the line of scrimmage, something for example Sanchez or Geno still cannot do to save their lives. After watching all of this I wouldn't be surprised to see him under center against the Bengals if Fitz doesn't see the light. I2m guessing its going to take this kid about a week to catch up to the knucklehead in terms of learning our offense. The only thing that really worries me is, as others have said, whether he's shellshocked from all the hits he took. Well we'll see won't we. If he comes in and takes in the whole playbook really fast that's the first way he can impress the coaches and have a chance at the starter , if he then executes we can have something , he seems very capable of learning the book as soon as he gets into camp
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Post by BEAC0NJET on May 2, 2016 8:52:39 GMT -5
Well, technically Gruden ripped his footwork and Hackenberg simply said that he was told to do it. In my opinion, Gruden should have delved into that more by asking why the hell the staff would have asked him to do it. I'm pretty curious myself because it seems like a pretty stupid thing to ask him to do. Gruden lined up a juicy fastball over the middle of the plate for Hack to explain why his footwork went to shit. I'm not sure how that can be construed as him ripping him for it, if anything it was giving him an out. And where he could have really trashed the coaching staff, he didnt. He just said they told me to, and moved on, then admitted he went back to what was comfortable at the end of the season.
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Post by BEAC0NJET on May 2, 2016 8:56:34 GMT -5
At the end of the day, after watching this last night, I feel better about the pick. The guy is smart, and he already gets pro terminology. A huge huge key is going to be getting him the right coaching to correct the footwork thing, and letting him sit a year. And keeping him upright, which is on him, and on the Jets beefing up the OL. 103 sacks makes you cringe.
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Post by The Turk on May 2, 2016 9:01:33 GMT -5
At the end of the day, after watching this last night, I feel better about the pick. The guy is smart, and he already gets pro terminology. A huge huge key is going to be getting him the right coaching to correct the footwork thing, and letting him sit a year. And keeping him upright, which is on him, and on the Jets beefing up the OL. 103 sacks makes you cringe. Yeah and some of the hits I saw him take were brutal, those O-Linemen have no business on a football field.
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Post by crossfire on May 2, 2016 10:04:05 GMT -5
And keeping him upright, which is on him, and on the Jets beefing up the OL. 103 sacks makes you cringe. 103 over three years but 82 in the past 2 seasons. (44 & 38) He admitted that especially in his freshman year, (21 sacks) he could have reduced that number and I'm sure he was responsible for quite a few in the past two seasons. The o-line was horrible but he was also willing to stay in the pocket and absorb too many hits. That's an area where he needs to be coached up too.
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Post by Brady's a catcher on May 2, 2016 10:11:48 GMT -5
You know what I've absolutely loved nearly everything I've watched about this guy since the draft. For the first time in a long time I trust the OC, and the GM. I love it that he could, as a fucking freshman in college, read defenses and adjust plays at the line of scrimmage, something for example Sanchez or Geno still cannot do to save their lives. After watching all of this I wouldn't be surprised to see him under center against the Bengals if Fitz doesn't see the light. I2m guessing its going to take this kid about a week to catch up to the knucklehead in terms of learning our offense. The only thing that really worries me is, as others have said, whether he's shellshocked from all the hits he took. Well we'll see won't we. If he comes in and takes in the whole playbook really fast that's the first way he can impress the coaches and have a chance at the starter , if he then executes we can have something , he seems very capable of learning the book as soon as he gets into camp Does anyone know is PSU is on quarters vs semesters like OSU and I think UCLA. I know, I know...Google is my friend. Anyway, hoping we don't have to wait until fucking June for Hack like we do for OSU players. Such a lame rule.
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Post by DDNYjets on May 2, 2016 10:17:26 GMT -5
There is a fine line between "holding onto the ball too long" and "keeping the play alive". All depends on the results.
Then there is also the times where you have no chance bc your OL gets beat clean at the line. I have seen a lot of that in the Penn State vids.
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Post by MDL JET on May 2, 2016 10:38:56 GMT -5
If this were Rex and company i'd have little to no confidence in him turning into something. But with the coaches we have now, there's hope and it's all on them. Otherwise just toss it up to Marshall and hope for the best!
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