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Post by carlito1171 on Dec 26, 2014 18:41:55 GMT -5
I'm a Rex supporter but we need some change, a reboot on the team, so I'm not against letting him go. The best argument I've heard which I can't disagree with is that Rex has been the constant through 2 GMs, 2 QBs, and 3 OCs. Even though you could make a case that ALL of those guys are subpar (an incredible streak of ineptitude itself in not being able to improve the personnel in those positions over 5 years), at some point you have to say a refresh is needed. The ONLY thing I'll be critical of is if there's no upgrade at the HC position. Change for the sake of change isn't good. You can't simply say the team is better without Rex, because that is not true. It's not addition by subtraction here. We need someone who, in total, is a better HC than Rex Ryan. Rex had his faults....poor in-game management with regard to clock and penalties, little/no control or grasp of the offense, etc., but he also had his strengths. He is absolutely an elite defensive coach and his ability to come up with new and creative ways to befuddle some of the games best like SparklePony, Manning, etc. is remarkable, even the 7, 8 and 9th time he faces them he still surprises them. Rex is also a very good motivator and seems to get more out of guys than many other coaches would. Last year's team had 5 or 6 win talent and won 8 games, this year's group is underperforming but not by much. This again, is about a 5 win roster and it's performed like one for the most part. So again, we're going to cut loose one of the elite defensive coaches and master motivators in the head coaching ranks, so that we can alleviate ourselves of a guy who didn't pay much attention to the offense and wasn't a strong enough disciplinarian when it comes to clock, penalties, efficiency. We better find an upgrade. Great post as always JS! I agree, I've been a Rex fan since day 1, and I still very much like him, but facts are facts. He's the common denominator over the last 6 seasons of decline. You can't pin all of this on him, but there comes a time where you have to move in a different direction. Despite all of his blunders I'm going to miss Rex very much. I won't miss GnP, neutering our QB's, the Wildcat, poor clock mismanagement, poor challenge selections, zero blitzes, JAG CB's on islands, giving our players inflated egos, etc, but I will miss Rex the man, how much he gets the guys to play hard, and the swagger a (Talented) Rex Ryan team brings. Also you can't discount the fact that we are one of the few teams who don't bitch up like little girls when we play the Pats. We don't give a shit about BB or the Patriot way. We may not always beat them but at least we don't let them run over us like some other SOFT teams in the AFC. God I hope we get these next 2 hires correct!!!!
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Post by Jets Things on Dec 26, 2014 18:55:13 GMT -5
I'm a Rex supporter but we need some change, a reboot on the team, so I'm not against letting him go. The best argument I've heard which I can't disagree with is that Rex has been the constant through 2 GMs, 2 QBs, and 3 OCs. Even though you could make a case that ALL of those guys are subpar (an incredible streak of ineptitude itself in not being able to improve the personnel in those positions over 5 years), at some point you have to say a refresh is needed. The ONLY thing I'll be critical of is if there's no upgrade at the HC position. Change for the sake of change isn't good. You can't simply say the team is better without Rex, because that is not true. It's not addition by subtraction here. We need someone who, in total, is a better HC than Rex Ryan. Rex had his faults....poor in-game management with regard to clock and penalties, little/no control or grasp of the offense, etc., but he also had his strengths. He is absolutely an elite defensive coach and his ability to come up with new and creative ways to befuddle some of the games best like SparklePony, Manning, etc. is remarkable, even the 7, 8 and 9th time he faces them he still surprises them. Rex is also a very good motivator and seems to get more out of guys than many other coaches would. Last year's team had 5 or 6 win talent and won 8 games, this year's group is underperforming but not by much. This again, is about a 5 win roster and it's performed like one for the most part. So again, we're going to cut loose one of the elite defensive coaches and master motivators in the head coaching ranks, so that we can alleviate ourselves of a guy who didn't pay much attention to the offense and wasn't a strong enough disciplinarian when it comes to clock, penalties, efficiency. We better find an upgrade. Great post as always JS! I agree, I've been a Rex fan since day 1, and I still very much like him, but facts are facts. He's the common denominator over the last 6 seasons of decline. You can't pin all of this on him, but there comes a time where you have to move in a different direction. Despite all of his blunders I'm going to miss Rex very much. I won't miss GnP, neutering our QB's, the Wildcat, poor clock mismanagement, poor challenge selections, zero blitzes, JAG CB's on islands, giving our players inflated egos, etc, but I will miss Rex the man, how much he gets the guys to play hard, and the swagger a (Talented) Rex Ryan team brings. Also you can't discount the fact that we are one of the few teams who don't bitch up like little girls when we play the Pats*. We don't give a shit about BB or the Patriot way. We may not always beat them but at least we don't let them run over us like some other SOFT teams in the AFC. God I hope we get these next 2 hires correct!!!!I'd change "zero blitzes" to "ineffective blitzes," but I completely agree otherwise.
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Post by greengeek on Dec 26, 2014 19:34:37 GMT -5
One of the things I fear is a reactionary hire looking for Rex's opposite, focusing only upon his weaknesses. This has been the story behind all our recent hires post-Parcells. Ignoring Groh's short tenure, we had Herm Edwards, the great motivator/personality but NOT an X's and O's guy. We then needed an X's and O's guy and went to Mangini. We got plenty of football knowledge in a guy who drew the player's ire. Then comes Rex who the players love, but is all X and no O (and no discipline, clock management, half-time adjustment ...).
A beginning driver can't stay in their lane since they overcorrect continually and thereby become a menace to everyone on the road. Our recent coaching choices (whether by coincidence or design) have been an exercise in seeking out a candidate whose PRIMARY specialty seems to be the weakness(es) of the prior guy. The result is a honeymoon while the prior guy's influence is fresh in the player's minds, followed by a crash after the former coach is a long distant memory.
Despite the fact that my emotions cry out for an offensive specialist (as heard in many posts) my brain says we need balance. Hopefully by using 'football guys' as a resource, we'll learn to steer by looking down the road instead of at the pavement just ahead of us (or worse yet what is behind us).
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Post by crossfire on Dec 26, 2014 22:11:40 GMT -5
Great post JS. I have always liked Rex and really wanted him to succeed. But it is time for him to go. Let's get the right GM and get this team on the right track.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Dec 26, 2014 22:21:59 GMT -5
One of the things I fear is a reactionary hire looking for Rex's opposite, focusing only upon his weaknesses. This has been the story behind all our recent hires post-Parcells. Ignoring Groh's short tenure, we had Herm Edwards, the great motivator/personality but NOT an X's and O's guy. We then needed an X's and O's guy and went to Mangini. We got plenty of football knowledge in a guy who drew the player's ire. Then comes Rex who the players love, but is all X and no O (and no discipline, clock management, half-time adjustment ...). A beginning driver can't stay in their lane since they overcorrect continually and thereby become a menace to everyone on the road. Our recent coaching choices (whether by coincidence or design) have been an exercise in seeking out a candidate whose PRIMARY specialty seems to be the weakness(es) of the prior guy. The result is a honeymoon while the prior guy's influence is fresh in the player's minds, followed by a crash after the former coach is a long distant memory. Despite the fact that my emotions cry out for an offensive specialist (as heard in many posts) my brain says we need balance. Hopefully by using 'football guys' as a resource, we'll learn to steer by looking down the road instead of at the pavement just ahead of us (or worse yet what is behind us). Totally. Woody needs to ditch the new boyfriend approach to hiring the next coach.
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Post by jetstream23 on Dec 26, 2014 23:47:27 GMT -5
One of the things I fear is a reactionary hire looking for Rex's opposite, focusing only upon his weaknesses. This has been the story behind all our recent hires post-Parcells. Ignoring Groh's short tenure, we had Herm Edwards, the great motivator/personality but NOT an X's and O's guy. We then needed an X's and O's guy and went to Mangini. We got plenty of football knowledge in a guy who drew the player's ire. Then comes Rex who the players love, but is all X and no O (and no discipline, clock management, half-time adjustment ...). A beginning driver can't stay in their lane since they overcorrect continually and thereby become a menace to everyone on the road. Our recent coaching choices (whether by coincidence or design) have been an exercise in seeking out a candidate whose PRIMARY specialty seems to be the weakness(es) of the prior guy. The result is a honeymoon while the prior guy's influence is fresh in the player's minds, followed by a crash after the former coach is a long distant memory. Despite the fact that my emotions cry out for an offensive specialist (as heard in many posts) my brain says we need balance. Hopefully by using 'football guys' as a resource, we'll learn to steer by looking down the road instead of at the pavement just ahead of us (or worse yet what is behind us). Remember where we came from with Mangini. He buttoned everyone's lips, he controlled the building like Fort Knox and had a very rigid, disciplinarian type approach. The Jets played tight and few players really played hard for him or went the extra mile....I never heard a player say "I love playing for Eric" the way you hear it for Rex. So in came Rex, all 300+ pounds of him, with his bravado, confidence and F the Pats**** attitude. It was great, it was refreshing and the Jets needed it. We were going to win and we were going to have fun doing it! The unfortunate thing is that maybe the pendulum swung too far the other way from Mangini to Ryan. Uptight, rigid, no fun....became loose, overconfident and a little too undisciplined. So where do we go now? Back to a Mangini-type? I hope not. We need to find someone in the middle who can command a loose group of guys who play hard and disciplined. It takes a special kind of coach. Parcells was that way...he knew that some guys need a pat on the back and some need a kick in the ass. And, most importantly, Parcells knew which of his guys needed each type of approach. Look up the Lawrence Taylor story about the plane ticket Parcells was buying him to fly him to New Orleans for a one-week trade to bring back a guy who plays better against a certain opponent, or how about Bryan Cox walking into the locker room one day and finding an empty red gas tank at his locker that had a note, "Is there anything left in the tank, Bryan?" Cox went out and lit it up the next game with 2 sacks. My point is simply that we can't fall into exactly what you said, a reactionary approach. Tannenbaum overspent at the end of his tenure, so Woody hired a penny-pincher. Mangini was too tight so Woody brought in Rex and his "Ready, Fire, Aim" approach. I'm afraid of what lies ahead because I'm still a firm believer that Rex Ryan with an above average QB and a competent Off Coordinator wins a Super Bowl somewhere. I just don't see anyone looking at the Jets and saying, "How could that coach not win with Geno Smith?" I mean, is anyone calling for the firing of 6-win Jeff Fisher in St. Louis? What about the 6-win Saints and Sean Payton? Why is he getting a pass?
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Post by greengeek on Dec 27, 2014 9:14:12 GMT -5
One of the things I fear is a reactionary hire looking for Rex's opposite, focusing only upon his weaknesses. This has been the story behind all our recent hires post-Parcells. Ignoring Groh's short tenure, we had Herm Edwards, the great motivator/personality but NOT an X's and O's guy. We then needed an X's and O's guy and went to Mangini. We got plenty of football knowledge in a guy who drew the player's ire. Then comes Rex who the players love, but is all X and no O (and no discipline, clock management, half-time adjustment ...). A beginning driver can't stay in their lane since they overcorrect continually and thereby become a menace to everyone on the road. Our recent coaching choices (whether by coincidence or design) have been an exercise in seeking out a candidate whose PRIMARY specialty seems to be the weakness(es) of the prior guy. The result is a honeymoon while the prior guy's influence is fresh in the player's minds, followed by a crash after the former coach is a long distant memory. Despite the fact that my emotions cry out for an offensive specialist (as heard in many posts) my brain says we need balance. Hopefully by using 'football guys' as a resource, we'll learn to steer by looking down the road instead of at the pavement just ahead of us (or worse yet what is behind us). Remember where we came from with Mangini. He buttoned everyone's lips, he controlled the building like Fort Knox and had a very rigid, disciplinarian type approach. The Jets played tight and few players really played hard for him or went the extra mile....I never heard a player say "I love playing for Eric" the way you hear it for Rex. So in came Rex, all 300+ pounds of him, with his bravado, confidence and F the Pats***** attitude. It was great, it was refreshing and the Jets needed it. We were going to win and we were going to have fun doing it! The unfortunate thing is that maybe the pendulum swung too far the other way from Mangini to Ryan. Uptight, rigid, no fun....became loose, overconfident and a little too undisciplined. So where do we go now? Back to a Mangini-type? I hope not. We need to find someone in the middle who can command a loose group of guys who play hard and disciplined. It takes a special kind of coach. Parcells was that way...he knew that some guys need a pat on the back and some need a kick in the ass. And, most importantly, Parcells knew which of his guys needed each type of approach. Look up the Lawrence Taylor story about the plane ticket Parcells was buying him to fly him to New Orleans for a one-week trade to bring back a guy who plays better against a certain opponent, or how about Bryan Cox walking into the locker room one day and finding an empty red gas tank at his locker that had a note, "Is there anything left in the tank, Bryan?" Cox went out and lit it up the next game with 2 sacks. My point is simply that we can't fall into exactly what you said, a reactionary approach. Tannenbaum overspent at the end of his tenure, so Woody hired a penny-pincher. Mangini was too tight so Woody brought in Rex and his "Ready, Fire, Aim" approach. I'm afraid of what lies ahead because I'm still a firm believer that Rex Ryan with an above average QB and a competent Off Coordinator wins a Super Bowl somewhere. I just don't see anyone looking at the Jets and saying, "How could that coach not win with Geno Smith?" I mean, is anyone calling for the firing of 6-win Jeff Fisher in St. Louis? What about the 6-win Saints and Sean Payton? Why is he getting a pass?Precisely the point. Rex IS a highly talented coach in many respects. His defense is at least "good" every year and all the players are motivated. The question remains whether the rest of the coaching staff can fill in the holes. We're currently back to Ground and Pound with Mornhigweg as the OC. This is despite the availability of a veteran above average QB who was already successful in MM's system and decent (not great) receivers like Decker and Kerley. Back in High School, our dream was to have the Jazz Band selected to the Chesapeake Jazz Festival, the winner of which went to the Nationals. The band went once (my senior year) and came in second out of about 10 bands. The reason was that we had a band director change from a guy who was ALL about style, to one who was ALL about intonation. For one year we had both and fell one place short of the nationals (kinda like the AFCCG). We played on fire and in tune. The next year, I played for one semester in college for the guy who judged tapes submitted to get into Chesapeake. He asked me a question: "What the hell happened to Joppatowne? The were finally good last year and now they suck again." The answer was that they now reflect yet another director with an incomplete skill set. I am less confident than you that Rex with a good QB will go far, he simply will not put himself in that position if there is a sexy enforcer safety to be drafted in the first round. My reasoning is that he seems uninterested in making offensive acquisition a central goal of his team's development. Maybe in his next outing he would do better. Here's a thought on how that might happen. If we've got a great coach on D, but not on O, the best team will result if he doggedly seeks out talent on O and works to coach up the D. If we had taken that approach in our 12-player draft, we might be successful now. It is perhaps valid to point out that Rex does not trust enough in his own talent to maintain a decent D (no matter what the roster) that he spends all his cash and draft picks to build an elite roster on D at the expense of the offense. This year is a fluke of injury at corner back and we still have an OK defense. Kudos to Rex. We still suck on O partly because the roster there has suffered inexcusable neglect. I'm ready to blame Rex for that and he deserves a demotion to defensive coordinator on that basis. You can't be a one-sided head coach and win in the long term. My reservations are similar to yours. We've failed if we get another one-sided coach. We've failed if we get a balanced but not talented coach. I think we've failed also if we keep Rex after he's taken this team so far out of lane that we're on the cliff edge. I wish there was a strategy by which we keep Rex's involvement in the D and force feed him top talent on O (at the expense of D until the roster regains balance) and force feed him an OC who tells him to shut the fuck up and mind his own business. My view is that force feeding has been tried, but that the lap band wins, the team drops to 3-4 wins, and we have to remove Rex from the decision tree to save the franchise. It is truly a shame that this is the fate of a talented defensive coach. Maybe he learns his lesson with the next team and gains enough confidence in himself to balance the defensively-talented staff with an offensively talented roster.
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Post by Ff2 on Dec 27, 2014 11:09:35 GMT -5
Fat Rex was the best.
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Post by frostlich on Dec 27, 2014 12:25:27 GMT -5
Server may crash on Monday when Rex is retained.
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Post by Anthony Jet on Dec 27, 2014 12:25:39 GMT -5
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Post by Hotman on Dec 27, 2014 13:47:09 GMT -5
Server may crash on Monday when Rex is retained. As DC, dream come true
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Post by Bing© in Buffalo Chairman on Dec 27, 2014 13:55:02 GMT -5
Great DC for sho
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Post by fullblast on Dec 27, 2014 16:18:12 GMT -5
Suffered the same fate as Fat Mangini. History repeats.
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Post by the other ganggreene on Dec 27, 2014 17:16:52 GMT -5
The ou way I accept Rex's firing is if idzik goes too!
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Dec 28, 2014 0:31:15 GMT -5
The ou way I accept Rex's firing is if idzik goes too! That seems to be a foregone conclusion at this point
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