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Post by Touchable on Jul 21, 2016 8:55:13 GMT -5
That's surprising. I would've guessed you were pro-bullfighting. I have a helluva lot more sympathy for animals than humans, kids excluded.
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Post by Ff2 on Jul 21, 2016 8:59:36 GMT -5
That's surprising. I would've guessed you were pro-bullfighting. I have a helluva lot more sympathy for animals than humans, kids excluded. At what age does a kid become unsympathetic?
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Post by Raoul Duke on Jul 21, 2016 8:59:55 GMT -5
One could also argue they're treated like demi-gods their whole lives up to that moment, which is cruel I agree. In terms of quality of life they leave the rest of the animal world in the dust. If animal cruelty is the argument then you should stop eating meat altogether because what goes on in slaughterhouses isn't better. It's weird I feel a bit the same way about boxing. When it’s well done by pros it’s a thing of beauty, even if when you like at it in a vacuum, it’s 2 dudes beating the shit out of each other. Why would we find that beautiful or worthwhile? I understand why people find it horrendous and I have a hard time explaining why I think it’s incredible. Maybe it’s like watching the Germans waltz in and take over your country. Dunno. Fixed On a scale of 1 to 10, that was Southside.
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Post by Ff2 on Jul 21, 2016 9:01:28 GMT -5
Oh the poor bull! Says the guy eating his cheeseburger.
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Post by Jets Things on Jul 21, 2016 9:01:38 GMT -5
That's surprising. I would've guessed you were pro-bullfighting. I have a helluva lot more sympathy for animals than humans, kids excluded. What if a tween girl is kicking a puppy?
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Post by crossfire on Jul 21, 2016 9:06:58 GMT -5
On a scale of 1 to 10, that was Southside. Southside >>>>> french
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Post by DDNYjets on Jul 21, 2016 9:09:29 GMT -5
Most of the time the animal is already injured or exhausted by the time it enters the ring. Its a savage spectacle. Same for the bull runs. I don't buy the culture argument. It used to be our "culture" to own other human beings and make them fight against each other to the death for entertainment. He got what he deserved. Hope he felt every bit of it. One could also argue they're treated like demi-gods their whole lives up to that moment, which is cruel I agree. In terms of quality of life they leave the rest of the animal world in the dust. If animal cruelty is the argument then you should stop eating meat altogether because what goes on in slaughterhouses isn't better. It's weird I feel a bit the same way about boxing. When it’s well done by pros it’s a thing of beauty, even if when you like at it in a vacuum, it’s 2 dudes beating the shit out of each other. Why would we find that beautiful or worthwhile? I understand why people find it horrendous and I have a hard time explaining why I think it’s incredible. Maybe it’s like watching a car crash. Dunno. The eating meat argument is an interesting one. In my opinion it doesn't equate. If you are going to kill an animal to eat its meat then I am fine with it. Im not fine with killing animals for sport or their pelts or the ivory or for entertainment. I agree about the slaughterhouses and how animals are treated on "factory farms" although I dont think the people are doing it for enjoyment and that is where I make the difference. I don't equate animal life with human life although I do think some animals should be held in reverence over others. I do believe as humans we hold dominion over the rest of the creatures on earth and but with that comes responsibilities. If we take an animals life for the purpose of sustaining our own then that is something we should take seriously. Boxing is a brutal sport, so is MMA. But in those sports you have two consenting adults acting within their free will. Animals don't have free will. I dunno. Just how I view the whole thing.
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Post by Raoul Duke on Jul 21, 2016 9:18:12 GMT -5
On a scale of 1 to 10, that was Southside. Southside >>>>> french WTF
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Post by Mond the Bagnificient on Jul 21, 2016 9:21:24 GMT -5
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Post by Ff2 on Jul 21, 2016 9:24:44 GMT -5
One could also argue they're treated like demi-gods their whole lives up to that moment, which is cruel I agree. In terms of quality of life they leave the rest of the animal world in the dust. If animal cruelty is the argument then you should stop eating meat altogether because what goes on in slaughterhouses isn't better. It's weird I feel a bit the same way about boxing. When it’s well done by pros it’s a thing of beauty, even if when you like at it in a vacuum, it’s 2 dudes beating the shit out of each other. Why would we find that beautiful or worthwhile? I understand why people find it horrendous and I have a hard time explaining why I think it’s incredible. Maybe it’s like watching a car crash. Dunno. Im not fine with killing animals for sport or their pelts or the ivory or for entertainment. Ever have a leather jacket?
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Post by 2foolish on Jul 21, 2016 9:34:58 GMT -5
That's surprising. I would've guessed you were pro-bullfighting. I have a helluva lot more sympathy for animals than humans, kids excluded. thats disturbing...
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Post by porgyman on Jul 21, 2016 9:39:35 GMT -5
Going too far....
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Post by DDNYjets on Jul 21, 2016 9:40:56 GMT -5
Im not fine with killing animals for sport or their pelts or the ivory or for entertainment. Ever have a leather jacket? Nope. I dont even own real leather shoes or belts. Im not gonna sit hear and claim to be the best advocate for animals or some moral standard on the issue. I just think there is a difference between bullfighting and killing animals for food. I know on the internet we try to make everything black and white or put things in a box so they are easy to digest but thats not how things work in the real world. In my opinion a 20 or 30 minute bullfight in which a disorientated animal is forced to charge until exhaustion whilst being stuck with spears is different than shooting them in the head or slicing their throat.
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Post by crossfire on Jul 21, 2016 10:14:54 GMT -5
ok... maybe I crossed the line there.
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Post by Jets Things on Jul 21, 2016 10:26:20 GMT -5
ok... maybe I crossed the Maginot line there. Fixed
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