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Post by JStokes on Dec 3, 2016 23:35:52 GMT -5
The murderer. That dude should be in custody. Why? He's white. _
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Post by Big L on Dec 4, 2016 6:36:29 GMT -5
Oh snap
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Post by DDNYjets on Dec 4, 2016 9:02:55 GMT -5
Haven't been following the incident. Im assuming it has picked up steam bc the shooter was white.
Having learned something from seeing these types of incidents over recent years I know that initial reports are basically worthless. And frankly the media should do a better job of not reporting whatever shit is thrown at the wall and let the investigators do their work.
Hopefully there is surveillance video of some kind. Im sure the autopsy will also shed light on what happened. Joe never seemed like the confrontational type. But who knows.
Either way, RIP Joe. Gone way too soon.
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Post by 2foolish on Dec 5, 2016 8:48:03 GMT -5
I agree with Stokes. The evidence does not line up with the "eye witnesses" statements. The shooter was inside the car not standing over him. I sure hope there is a security camera somewhere that caught at least part of this. The next 5 to 7 days or so should provide some real good information. Crime scene reenactment, autopsy report and toxicology. Even if the shooter stayed in his car the entire time, that may not justify his decision to shoot McKnight. We don't know all the facts and I don't know what the law is in Louisiana with respect to self defense. ur car is like ur house...
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Post by Trades on Dec 5, 2016 9:07:54 GMT -5
Even if the shooter stayed in his car the entire time, that may not justify his decision to shoot McKnight. We don't know all the facts and I don't know what the law is in Louisiana with respect to self defense. ur car is like ur house... Maybe his car IS his house.
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Post by gman on Dec 5, 2016 10:00:15 GMT -5
I agree with Stokes. The evidence does not line up with the "eye witnesses" statements. The shooter was inside the car not standing over him. I sure hope there is a security camera somewhere that caught at least part of this. The next 5 to 7 days or so should provide some real good information. Crime scene reenactment, autopsy report and toxicology. Even if the shooter stayed in his car the entire time, that may not justify his decision to shoot McKnight. We don't know all the facts and I don't know what the law is in Louisiana with respect to self defense. If the shooter stayed in his car, and McKnight doesn't have a gun pulled on him, wouldn't a better option be to drive away rather than "stand your ground" and kill someone?
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Post by maury77 on Dec 5, 2016 11:45:59 GMT -5
Even if the shooter stayed in his car the entire time, that may not justify his decision to shoot McKnight. We don't know all the facts and I don't know what the law is in Louisiana with respect to self defense. ur car is like ur house... In a self defense scenario, I'm not sure about that. As far as police investigations, you are certainly afforded a much greater right to privacy in your home than in your car.
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Post by maury77 on Dec 5, 2016 11:46:58 GMT -5
Even if the shooter stayed in his car the entire time, that may not justify his decision to shoot McKnight. We don't know all the facts and I don't know what the law is in Louisiana with respect to self defense. If the shooter stayed in his car, and McKnight doesn't have a gun pulled on him, wouldn't a better option be to drive away rather than "stand your ground" and kill someone? Reasonably speaking, yes, but that may not be the law in Louisiana. Some states had (or may still have) stand your ground laws that permit you to kill even if you could reasonably run away.
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Post by gman on Dec 5, 2016 11:56:59 GMT -5
If the shooter stayed in his car, and McKnight doesn't have a gun pulled on him, wouldn't a better option be to drive away rather than "stand your ground" and kill someone? Reasonably speaking, yes, but that may not be the law in Louisiana. Some states had (or may still have) stand your ground laws that permit you to kill even if you could reasonably run away. I'm not even talking wise. Just saying how fucked up does the shooter have to be to decide "I'm gonna shoot this guy instead of just getting the hell out of here."
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Dec 5, 2016 13:22:41 GMT -5
One would think, thinking rationally, driving away is the best choice there... this guy mustve been out of his head.
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Post by Harrier on Dec 5, 2016 13:34:21 GMT -5
One would think, thinking rationally, driving away is the best choice there... this guy mustve been out of his head. You're always best driving away, the other guy may not have as much to lose as you. I had a knife pulled on my once, by some spaced out crack addict slashin at me, he had no interest in fighting he just wanted to cause maximum damage.
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Post by Trades on Dec 5, 2016 13:35:06 GMT -5
Even if the shooter stayed in his car the entire time, that may not justify his decision to shoot McKnight. We don't know all the facts and I don't know what the law is in Louisiana with respect to self defense. If the shooter stayed in his car, and McKnight doesn't have a gun pulled on him, wouldn't a better option be to drive away rather than "stand your ground" and kill someone? There was an accident. You are suggesting he commit a crime by leaving the scene of an accident!?!?! What is wrong with you!?!?
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Post by DDNYjets on Dec 5, 2016 13:56:41 GMT -5
At the very least its a terrible tragedy. If it does turnout to be a crime, I dont see how this is different than the thousands of other shootings that plague some parts of the country. Even in places with very strict anti-gun laws. Some of our cities are war zones. They are not going to change the stand your ground laws. It might be used as a loophole for some real criminals to try get away with murder but that is not a reason to remove a law. I would like to see how many people have been saved bc they were able to protect themselves properly bc of these laws. And we know those never get reported on. In hindsight, its very easy to say someone should flee after the fact. But we have fight or flight instincts that are triggered in milliseconds. And if you run away from someone whats to say you dont get shot in the back? Hopefully there is thorough investigation and the authorities have evidence that allows them to paint a picture of what happened. Should also be noted that "stand your ground" laws do not lessen the threshold needed to justify use of force. All they do is say that if force is warranted you are not obligated to retreat. The Lousiana Law: www.legis.la.gov/Legis/Law.aspx?d=78338
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Dec 5, 2016 14:11:12 GMT -5
The only reason this is news is because he's a former NFL player, and one of the more famous recent athletes to come out of Louisiana. And because hes black and the other guy is white. Similar instances happen all the time unfortunately.
I guess where Im unclear is what it an accident or an incident? I guess from the original report I assumed it was the latter - road rage/stopped at an intersection/things got heated/guys get out of cars, etc. In that case, its best to drive away before it gets out of hand. There's no guarantee you dont get shot at, but you increase your chances for survival.
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Post by thebigragu on Dec 5, 2016 14:44:32 GMT -5
Of course I'm right! I remember like it was yesterday. Our RBs were LT, Shonn Greene, Tony Richardson, John Connor and McKnight. No room for a 6th RB but we needed a WR with Santonio on the shelf. _ Mention Mark Fucking Suckchez and Stokes Becomes Wikifuckingpedia
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