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Post by i against i on Dec 30, 2014 13:08:39 GMT -5
I dont think it will be that long, Ozzie isn't necessarily the beacon of health. That may play into the scenario.
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Post by 10pennytocoles87 on Dec 30, 2014 13:10:01 GMT -5
Hopefully Casserly and Wolf are convincing enough to get this done. DeCosta is by far my No. 1 target.
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Post by rexneffect on Dec 30, 2014 13:14:25 GMT -5
One reason DeCosta might be unwilling to leave BAL is a self-awareness that building an organization from scratch isn't his strong suit. All the organizations begging for him are looking for a guy to do just that. If he hangs out with Newsome then he can keep doing what he is good at and eventually take over, rather than build, a consistent organization.
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Post by Touchable on Dec 30, 2014 14:07:41 GMT -5
@briancoz 1m1 minute ago
The Jets have also asked permission from the Browns to interview Bill Kuharich, who is in their personnel department. #nyj
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Post by Trades on Dec 30, 2014 14:09:17 GMT -5
@briancoz 1m1 minute ago The Jets have also asked permission from the Browns to interview Bill Kuharich, who is in their personnel department. #nyj Why would you go anywhere near someone from the Browns?
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Post by jetstream23 on Dec 30, 2014 14:31:30 GMT -5
@briancoz 1m1 minute ago The Jets have also asked permission from the Browns to interview Bill Kuharich, who is in their personnel department. #nyj Why would you go anywhere near someone from the Browns? Let's hire as GM a guy involved with drafting Johnny Foosball.
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Post by jetstream23 on Dec 30, 2014 14:36:01 GMT -5
I don't think it's unappealing but we're talking about DeCosta, a premiere front office guy who has the pick of the litter if he wants it. For a guy with seemingly unlimited choices I think the Jets are lower on the list than other places. Everything you stated is valid, there's opportunity here with Cap $ and picks, but this place is not a model of stability. Firing Idzik was the absolute right thing to do but to some people, it will give them pause. He was fired after only two years, was never able to pick his own coach, and even though the '14 draft looks disastrous it is nowhere near being able to fully evaluate it. Unrealistic, but if somehow McDougal and Shaq Evans become starters, Pryor sticks as a solid S, and maybe Amaro blossoms into a Top 5 TE then it doesn't look so bad. My only point is that is that taking the GM job with the Jets could be perceived as risky....and for someone who doesn't need to take a risk, why do it? I'm not seeing how firing Idzik after two years would make us viewed as a team of instability. The Jets kept Bradway as GM for 5 years. They kept Tannenbaum for 7 years. They brought back a HC who had missed the playoffs each of the previous 3 seasons. It's not like we're the Raiders or Browns who seemingly change HC's and GM's more often than most people change their underwear. If DeCosta declines to interview, then it just shows that he really is committed to Baltimore. I agree with that, he may simply be committed to Baltimore. But whether we like to admit it or not, the overall track record of management here is not that great. I'm not saying it's a bad job at all....I'm just saying that there are valid concerns and possible risks. If were coming in for an interview I might ask basic questions like, "Will I be allowed to hire and fire the HC on my own?" and "I've heard reports that the power structure here will have both the GM and HC reporting directly to you, the owner. What if I want the HC to report to me?" and "Will you meddle? Will I be told to trade for a guy like Tim Tebow just to help sell tickets?"
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Post by themagicrat on Dec 30, 2014 14:43:03 GMT -5
@briancoz 1m1 minute ago The Jets have also asked permission from the Browns to interview Bill Kuharich, who is in their personnel department. #nyj Why would you go anywhere near someone from the Browns? Kuharich has been in the league for a number of years and was hired by the Browns this year... "Kuharich worked in multiple capacities for the New Orleans Saints, from 1986 to 1999, as: Director of Player Personnel (1986–1993); Vice President of Football Operations (1994–1995); Executive Vice President/General Manager (1996); and, President/General Manager/Chief Operating Officer (1997–1999). During his tenure, the team acquired (eventual) Pro Bowl-grade players such as Willie Roaf, Sammy Knight, and La'Roi Glover. As the Kansas City Chiefs' Pro Personnel Director (2000-2005), Kuharich helped orchestrate the acquisitions of Priest Holmes, Eddie Kennison, Trent Green and (eventual NFL Hall of Famer), Willie Roaf. Kuharich was promoted to Vice-President of Player Personnel in 2006; between 2006 and 2008, they acquired standouts like Tamba Hali; Dwayne Bowe; Brandon Flowers; Jamaal Charles, and Brandon Carr. Kuharich was released by the Chiefs on April 29, 2009."
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Post by Bavarian on Dec 30, 2014 14:45:14 GMT -5
I still don't buy the argument that the Jets job isn't appealing. You're talking about a team in the New York market that could potentially have as much as $60 million in cap space and the 6th overall pick in the draft. There also won't be any of this bullshit mandating the next guy to keep the current HC. I don't think it's unappealing but we're talking about DeCosta, a premiere front office guy who has the pick of the litter if he wants it. For a guy with seemingly unlimited choices I think the Jets are lower on the list than other places. Everything you stated is valid, there's opportunity here with Cap $ and picks, but this place is not a model of stability. Firing Idzik was the absolute right thing to do but to some people, it will give them pause. He was fired after only two years, was never able to pick his own coach, and even though the '14 draft looks disastrous it is nowhere near being able to fully evaluate it. Unrealistic, but if somehow McDougal and Shaq Evans become starters, Pryor sticks as a solid S, and maybe Amaro blossoms into a Top 5 TE then it doesn't look so bad. My only point is that taking the GM job with the Jets could be perceived as risky....and for someone who doesn't need to take a risk, why do it? GM positions don't open up every day. This season we have 2. There are limited opportunities for a host of qualified candidates. I don't go along that he can sit back and wait for the perfect cushy situation. They are all going to have their share of challenges with some having built-in advantages and support from management. I do believe that he's in a position of great bargaining power with Woody having fired his last GM in an embarrassing 2 years. This can allow him to demand an iron-clad long deal to assure his services. Beyond that, he has cap room and picks with a good nucleus of young talent. No coach in place. It's his to build. And Woody wants him to spend as he did with Tanny - this isn't a bargain basement like Arizona.
I think this is an opportunity to make much more money today and not wait in Ozzie's wings for the next 5 years. I don't see why he'd wait for such an uncertain timeframe. This is precisely why I was the lone voice against everyone here in claiming he could be in play. No one agreed. I think it's viable.
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Post by DDNYjets on Dec 30, 2014 14:50:51 GMT -5
Let's hire as GM a guy involved with drafting Johnny Foosball. I think that was the ownership more than anything. That said, anybody from the Browns would be a tough sell for our new braintrust.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2014 19:31:11 GMT -5
I'm not seeing how firing Idzik after two years would make us viewed as a team of instability. The Jets kept Bradway as GM for 5 years. They kept Tannenbaum for 7 years. They brought back a HC who had missed the playoffs each of the previous 3 seasons. It's not like we're the Raiders or Browns who seemingly change HC's and GM's more often than most people change their underwear. If DeCosta declines to interview, then it just shows that he really is committed to Baltimore. I agree with that, he may simply be committed to Baltimore. But whether we like to admit it or not, the overall track record of management here is not that great. I'm not saying it's a bad job at all....I'm just saying that there are valid concerns and possible risks. If were coming in for an interview I might ask basic questions like, "Will I be allowed to hire and fire the HC on my own?" and "I've heard reports that the power structure here will have both the GM and HC reporting directly to you, the owner. What if I want the HC to report to me?" and "Will you meddle? Will I be told to trade for a guy like Tim Tebow just to help sell tickets?" LOL give me a break Jetstream. You really think Tebow was strictly a move to sell tickets? He was a football move, simple as that.
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Post by rexter007 on Dec 30, 2014 20:17:40 GMT -5
Pretty sure I read somewhere that he is waiting for the Giants GM position to open up, which could happen 12 months from now.
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Post by joepnyj1 on Dec 31, 2014 8:55:05 GMT -5
Honestly, if DeCosta declines again then he is nothing but a mooch working in Ozzie's shadow. Ozzie is 58 and has had some serious success here with the Ravens, why would he want to retire now? He can go another 4 years if he wants to. DeCosta would be an idiot to turn this opportunity down. The positives outweigh the negatives: you got a good young defensive line, some decent LB'ers and some pieces to work with in the secondary, a good running back tandem of Ivory/Powell, 40+million in cap space and the 6th overall pick. What more can you ask for?
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Post by vicmill on Dec 31, 2014 9:06:51 GMT -5
Honestly, if DeCosta declines again then he is nothing but a mooch working in Ozzie's shadow. Ozzie is 58 and has had some serious success here with the Ravens, why would he want to retire now? He can go another 4 years if he wants to. DeCosta would be an idiot to turn this opportunity down. The positives outweigh the negatives: you got a good young defensive line, some decent LB'ers and some pieces to work with in the secondary, a good running back tandem of Ivory/Powell, 40+million in cap space and the 6th overall pick. What more can you ask for? Or ... he likes his job, likes the organization where he is well respected, likes where he lives, doesn't want to uproot his family, gets paid well and doesn't need every last dollar available to him to be happy and is willing to wait whether its 1 year, 5 years or 10 years. How does that make hiom a mooch?
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Post by DDNYjets on Dec 31, 2014 9:11:58 GMT -5
some decent LB'ers and some pieces to work with in the secondary You had me until there and now I am lost. Naked and afraid.
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