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Post by jetstream23 on Dec 26, 2016 16:21:03 GMT -5
Three players, each side of the ball. Who do the Jets build this team around as the future?
On defense I think it's pretty easy, although there may be 4 guys. I like Leo Williams, Darron Williams, and Jordan Jenkins. I'd throw in Juston Burris too as I think he's coming on. But the first three guys are who I'd build around. Simon looks pretty good at NT and I hope he can grow into the 70% playing time area in a 70/30 split with McClendon next year. We still need a violent pass rusher and I'd pursue someone like Chandler Jones in the offseason. The Secondary needs at least one CB and he needs to be close to a Tier 1 kinda guy. Not sure how we find him. But I digress.....I think as the Jets begin a rebuild (yet again) next year they should build around Williams, Lee and Jenkins.
On offense we have no QB, no identity, a couple of aging skill guys and a group of up-and-coming WRs. That's about it. Without a bonafide QB I don't even know how you start to build a team and form an identity. Unfortunately, to me, that means we have to build around the offensive line and running game. Brandon Shell looks promising, but there are questions around just about every other OLineman. Ijalana and Wes Johnson seem to be good hold-the-fort guys, and Carpenter should continue to be a decent OG. But other than saying we build around the OLine I think the only guys I'd really look to as the core on offense at this point would be Decker, Enunwa and Powell. Those three are probably the guys I trust most to give consistent effort and provide some leadership. Robby Anderson has potential but I think many vets are gone....Fitz, Geno, possibly Marshall, etc. I'd assume Forte comes back but is he a leader on this team yet? I like him but he just got here and he's also close to the end of his career. We certainly don't build around him although, as I mentioned earlier, I'd build around the running game and the OLine.
The saddest thing about this thread is that I just don't see a lot of hope on this roster, especially on Offense. This looks to be a MAJOR rebuild. Even on defense, while there's good, young talent it is playing alongside some significant holes. No pure pass rusher and no shutdown corner.....most teams seem to have at least one of those two things. The really good ones have both.
Go Jets?
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Post by Touchable on Dec 26, 2016 16:33:06 GMT -5
Defense
Leo/Lee/Jenkins
Offense
Fournette/Decker/Enunwa
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Post by JStokes on Dec 26, 2016 17:42:33 GMT -5
On offense I don't want to see one draft pick or free agent at WR.
As bad as Devin Smith looks dropping most of the balks thrown to him, I still think he could be a player.
B. Marshall, Decker, Enunwa, Anderson, Peake, J Marshall, D Smith.
I'm ok with that WR corp.
Spend offensive skill picks/signings on RBs and TEs.
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Post by Jets Things on Dec 26, 2016 17:53:37 GMT -5
O: Clady, Giacomini, and Fitzpatrick
D: Richardson, Revis, and McDougle
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Post by HawkeyeJet on Dec 26, 2016 18:55:30 GMT -5
If we are talking only current players
Offense: Winters, Enunwa, Anderson/Smith. Powell would get consideration, but he's fairly old already.
Defense: Williams, Lee, Jenkins. Burris a close 4th.
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Post by ryu79 on Dec 27, 2016 0:31:58 GMT -5
Agree with the OP. The last time we were a good football team was built off the year we drafted Brick and Mangold. We need to follow that blueprint and draft some real quality that can start from day 1 as they did.
Of course, as i type that I immediately anticipate Paradis, Nosebleed or Rob tell me this is the worst oline class in ages - would be the most Jets thing possible.
then again i wanted Warmack over Miliner and Scherf (until Leo fell in our lap). Nothing i ever wanted since that Brick and Mangold year has happened on draft day... (Recall, people wanted reggie bush or leinart!)
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Post by rangerous on Dec 27, 2016 8:35:10 GMT -5
offense: wesley johnson, winters, shell, anderson, enunwa, powell
defense: williams, burris, jenkins, lee
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2016 8:43:36 GMT -5
Build from the inside out.
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Dec 27, 2016 9:03:36 GMT -5
Three players, each side of the ball. Who do the Jets build this team around as the future? On defense I think it's pretty easy, although there may be 4 guys. I like Leo Williams, Darron Williams, and Jordan Jenkins. I'd throw in Juston Burris too as I think he's coming on. But the first three guys are who I'd build around. Simon looks pretty good at NT and I hope he can grow into the 70% playing time area in a 70/30 split with McClendon next year. We still need a violent pass rusher and I'd pursue someone like Chandler Jones in the offseason. The Secondary needs at least one CB and he needs to be close to a Tier 1 kinda guy. Not sure how we find him. But I digress.....I think as the Jets begin a rebuild (yet again) next year they should build around Williams, Lee and Jenkins. On offense we have no QB, no identity, a couple of aging skill guys and a group of up-and-coming WRs. That's about it. Without a bonafide QB I don't even know how you start to build a team and form an identity. Unfortunately, to me, that means we have to build around the offensive line and running game. Brandon Shell looks promising, but there are questions around just about every other OLineman. Ijalana and Wes Johnson seem to be good hold-the-fort guys, and Carpenter should continue to be a decent OG. But other than saying we build around the OLine I think the only guys I'd really look to as the core on offense at this point would be Decker, Enunwa and Powell. Those three are probably the guys I trust most to give consistent effort and provide some leadership. Robby Anderson has potential but I think many vets are gone....Fitz, Geno, possibly Marshall, etc. I'd assume Forte comes back but is he a leader on this team yet? I like him but he just got here and he's also close to the end of his career. We certainly don't build around him although, as I mentioned earlier, I'd build around the running game and the OLine. The saddest thing about this thread is that I just don't see a lot of hope on this roster, especially on Offense. This looks to be a MAJOR rebuild. Even on defense, while there's good, young talent it is playing alongside some significant holes. No pure pass rusher and no shutdown corner.....most teams seem to have at least one of those two things. The really good ones have both. Go Jets? I'm 100% with you on the D side of the ball. On O it's really hard. There is not a whole lot of young talent to build on. As much as I like Powell you don't "build" an O around a RB entering his 7th season who will turn 29 shortly after the season starts. Much the same sentiment about Decker -- a 29 year old often-injured WR. So, for purposes of building an O, I'd go with Enunwa, Winters, and Carpenter. |
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Post by maury77 on Dec 27, 2016 9:32:12 GMT -5
It says a lot about our 2014 1st rounder (Calvin Pryor) that none of us have listed him as a defensive player to build around. I'm not quite as down on him as many others. I think he is a limited player, but if we get better CB play next year and play Pryor closer to the line of scrimmage, I think we can see a return of the 2015 version of Pryor.
On defense, I would say Leo and Lee. As optimistic as I can be about Jenkins, Mauldin and Burris, none of them has done enough to make me feel comfortable about their ability to develop into solid, long term starters.
On offense, its Powell and Enunwa, neither of whom I expect to develop into pro bowlers, but they will at least be solid and appear to still give a shit about how the team performs (which is more than I can say about a lot of the others on the team).
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Dec 27, 2016 9:37:23 GMT -5
It says a lot about our 2014 1st rounder (Calvin Pryor) that none of us have listed him as a defensive player to build around. I'm not quite as down on him as many others. I think he is a limited player, but if we get better CB play next year and play Pryor closer to the line of scrimmage, I think we can see a return of the 2015 version of Pryor. On defense, I would say Leo and Lee. As optimistic as I can be about Jenkins, Mauldin and Burris, none of them has done enough to make me feel comfortable about their ability to develop into solid, long term starters. On offense, its Powell and Enunwa, neither of whom I expect to develop into pro bowlers, but they will at least be solid and appear to still give a shit about how the team performs (which is more than I can say about a lot of the others on the team). It says a lot about his skill set in that you think he can only excel if he plays in the box. the fact is, he has a LB cover skill and the Jets need him to play Safety. He probably would do well in a Dion Buchanon-like role of playing ILB, but the Jets drafted Darron Lee to do that. |
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Post by maury77 on Dec 27, 2016 9:40:49 GMT -5
It says a lot about our 2014 1st rounder (Calvin Pryor) that none of us have listed him as a defensive player to build around. I'm not quite as down on him as many others. I think he is a limited player, but if we get better CB play next year and play Pryor closer to the line of scrimmage, I think we can see a return of the 2015 version of Pryor. On defense, I would say Leo and Lee. As optimistic as I can be about Jenkins, Mauldin and Burris, none of them has done enough to make me feel comfortable about their ability to develop into solid, long term starters. On offense, its Powell and Enunwa, neither of whom I expect to develop into pro bowlers, but they will at least be solid and appear to still give a shit about how the team performs (which is more than I can say about a lot of the others on the team). It says a lot about his skill set in that you think he can only excel if he plays in the box. the fact is, he has a LB cover skill and the Jets need him to play Safety. He probably would do well in a Dion Buchanon-like role of playing ILB, but the Jets drafted Darron Lee to do that. I agree with you. Pryor's problem is that we drafted him in the 1st round and have different expectations of what he should produce. If we had chosen Pryor in the 4th round, we would probably feel a lot better about the pick. He reminds me of Bryan Thomas, another decent player who hung around the team for a long time but never justified his draft slot. |
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Post by jetstream23 on Dec 27, 2016 11:09:54 GMT -5
It says a lot about our 2014 1st rounder (Calvin Pryor) that none of us have listed him as a defensive player to build around. I'm not quite as down on him as many others. I think he is a limited player, but if we get better CB play next year and play Pryor closer to the line of scrimmage, I think we can see a return of the 2015 version of Pryor. Pryor is limited in pass coverage and still shows some lack of awareness on passing downs. He's not a bad SS and he's pretty good against the run, but you'd expect more than a run-stopping Safety with a 1st Round pick. That's the problem with Pryor....he's not bad, but he clearly wasn't worth a 1st round pick and that's how he'll always be judged. He's kind of like Vlad Ducasse who is now a starting OG with the Ravens. Obviously a pretty good (but not great) player however he was taken too high and that factored into the Jets getting rid of him. Good point. I agree. I think there's a mix of both hope and projection involved with those guys. Mauldin took a big step back this year. He showed that he may never be an every-down NFL player and could be relegated to 3rd down passing situations and special teams. But he's had two seasons now; Jenkins and Burris are rookies so I'm more hopeful on those two. They've done enough to show they deserve to be on a NFL field, have shown some good flashes but also shown a little rookie-itis. All we need from Burris and Jenkins is the normal maturation you'd expect from 1st year to 2nd year. Simply take another step, use the experience you've gained and be better in 2017. If they do that then they're both decent starters in 2017. I have no idea what to do on O other than what I stated previously. With our best talent being older (Marshall, Forte, etc.) and no franchise QB I don't know another approach besides building the OLine and going back to being a ground-based team ala 2009. Build a line like Dallas (easier said than done), get a stud RB (can be done with our 1st round pick this year - Cook, Fournette, etc.) and rotate Forte/Powell/rookie with a game manager QB. |
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Post by jetstream23 on Dec 27, 2016 11:29:40 GMT -5
It says a lot about our 2014 1st rounder (Calvin Pryor) that none of us have listed him as a defensive player to build around. I'm not quite as down on him as many others. I think he is a limited player, but if we get better CB play next year and play Pryor closer to the line of scrimmage, I think we can see a return of the 2015 version of Pryor. On defense, I would say Leo and Lee. As optimistic as I can be about Jenkins, Mauldin and Burris, none of them has done enough to make me feel comfortable about their ability to develop into solid, long term starters. On offense, its Powell and Enunwa, neither of whom I expect to develop into pro bowlers, but they will at least be solid and appear to still give a shit about how the team performs (which is more than I can say about a lot of the others on the team). It says a lot about his skill set in that you think he can only excel if he plays in the box. the fact is, he has a LB cover skill and the Jets need him to play Safety. He probably would do well in a Dion Buchanon-like role of playing ILB, but the Jets drafted Darron Lee to do that. Would it make sense at all to try to use Pryor as a replacement for David Harris at ILB? I'm not sure Pryor could be the field general (calling defensive alignments, making adjustments) that Harris has been but maybe those responsibilities go to Lee. |
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Post by DDNYjets on Dec 27, 2016 12:23:13 GMT -5
Honest question. Outside of him just being a rookie and a first round pick what other criteria are we using to justify building around Darron Lee?
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