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Post by DowNY on Jan 12, 2017 20:01:18 GMT -5
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Post by JStokes on Jan 12, 2017 20:28:09 GMT -5
We should hire the Mets doctors just to make sure he's ok. _
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Post by DowNY on Jan 12, 2017 20:50:41 GMT -5
We should hire the Mets doctors just to make sure he's ok. _ LOL
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Jan 13, 2017 15:00:05 GMT -5
Yeah, he'll instantly help us just like Gurley made LA a winner. Fix the OLine first is my position. We can get a RB later. There are always a few guys out there. (ex. Gurley, Elliott this year, etc.) True. But Oline can be fixed in free agency to a point, and in later rounds in the draft. I dont want to reach for an OT at 6 if there's not one worth taking there, and dont want to pass up a blue chip running back just because we dont have the best oline.
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Post by Touchable on Jan 13, 2017 16:28:00 GMT -5
I understand that some people are concerned about Fournette missing a good chunk of games this past season...but Cook has already had multiple shoulder surgeries. It didn't cause him to miss any time at the college level, but it's not like that shit is going to magically get better over time. And his fumbling problems are definitely a cause for concern. I still like him, but I've said all along that there's no way I'm taking him over Fournette.
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Post by DowNY on Jan 13, 2017 19:29:29 GMT -5
I understand that some people are concerned about Fournette missing a good chunk of games this past season...but Cook has already had multiple shoulder surgeries. It didn't cause him to miss any time at the college level, but it's not like that shit is going to magically get better over time. And his fumbling problems are definitely a cause for concern. I still like him, but I've said all along that there's no way I'm taking him over Fournette. All these "analysts" are switching things up now. Saying the Jets won't draft Fournette because Bilal is RB of the future & Forte is still here. LOL Makes me sick. They must not know that Forte is done & Bilal will be 29 next season.
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Post by jetstream23 on Jan 13, 2017 22:28:57 GMT -5
Yeah, he'll instantly help us just like Gurley made LA a winner. Fix the OLine first is my position. We can get a RB later. There are always a few guys out there. (ex. Gurley, Elliott this year, etc.) True. But Oline can be fixed in free agency to a point, and in later rounds in the draft. I dont want to reach for an OT at 6 if there's not one worth taking there, and dont want to pass up a blue chip running back just because we dont have the best oline. I'm with you on that. I wasn't saying to draft OLine ahead of RB at #6. That's not the way this Draft is stacked....it seems to be weak at OLine, QB and WR to a certain degree. It's apparently a strong Draft at RB, OLB and CB. That sets up good for us......actually, anything sets up good for us because we seem to need help at EVERY SINGLE POSITION on the field. If we can add LT in FA as our "big spend" of this free agency period then I'm cool with a RB at #6....or even trading back to 10 and probably still getting one of the Top 2. I'd come back in Round 2 or 3 for an OLineman and CB.
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Jan 14, 2017 9:18:21 GMT -5
I don't disagree but the Jets tried to coast on the OLine with Mangold and D'Brick for too long. It's now getting our QBs hurt. There is no more Damien Woody or Brandon Moore here. We've got a patchwork of guys who can't be trusted and none are much above average. Can we trust Clady to be back and healthy? What about Winters? Aren't Ijalana, Qvale and Wes Johnson simply hold-the-fort guys at best? Carpenter looks to be the only decent starter and he plays just about the least important spot on the OLine. An offensive line investment does two things....it improves the running game and protects the QB. It can help keep our defense off the field. I like Cook, I really do. And I won't complain if that's the pick. But it HAS to be a pick made after we've done some work on this OLine first. I will say the most impressive thing about Cook given the times we live in.....he played last night. When other guys are sitting out to protect their Draft stock, he suited up and played because he wanted to win a bowl game....and he did. I've been vetting these offensive lineman and even I don't think there is one worth the 6th overall. There will be at least five that go in the first round but most will be in lower part of the first round. Draft Cook at 6(yes I've come around to it) and pray Antonio Garcia falls to our second round pick. Boner pants in full effect. The Jets would be better off with more picks and the strength of this draft is in the middle, not at the top. IMO, the Jets know that the subjective value of the 6th selection depends entirely on who falls to them at that spot and the degree of boner pants (someone should develop a scale) some other team has for that player. While Cook is an excellent young back, the Jets would place him behind a subpar O line with a near non-existent passing attack. The kid would face stacked boxes and his career will have been shortened and his best years wasted on a rebuilding team. Plus, the one weakness in his game is picking up blitzers and chipping outside rushers as he heads downfield to be a passing option may get the Jets QB (whoever it is) killed. So, I'm a no on Cook at 6. But, what if Cook falls to the Jets at 6 and teams like the Giants, Lions, or Ravens think Cook would be the difference maker for their offense. Then, the Jets can extract value for the selection in the form of a pick later in round one and an additional pick or two. Teams have shown the inclination to "overpay" to get the player they think is a game-changer for them. What if the Jets seek to include Richardson is such a trade? . How much more can they get in the form of picks? I don't know who will fall to the Jets at 6, but my hope is that they trade down given the opportunity. Frankly, if they could convince a team to give them next years first round pick in the deal, I'd do cartwheels since it will give the Jets the ammo necessary to trade into the top of next year's draft when a QB worth taking will be available.
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Post by JStokes on Jan 14, 2017 21:23:17 GMT -5
I've been vetting these offensive lineman and even I don't think there is one worth the 6th overall. There will be at least five that go in the first round but most will be in lower part of the first round. Draft Cook at 6(yes I've come around to it) and pray Antonio Garcia falls to our second round pick. Boner pants in full effect. The Jets would be better off with more picks and the strength of this draft is in the middle, not at the top. IMO, the Jets know that the subjective value of the 6th selection depends entirely on who falls to them at that spot and the degree of boner pants (someone should develop a scale) some other team has for that player. While Cook is an excellent young back, the Jets would place him behind a subpar O line with a near non-existent passing attack. The kid would face stacked boxes and his career will have been shortened and his best years wasted on a rebuilding team. Plus, the one weakness in his game is picking up blitzers and chipping outside rushers as he heads downfield to be a passing option may get the Jets QB (whoever it is) killed. So, I'm a no on Cook at 6. But, what if Cook falls to the Jets at 6 and teams like the Giants, Lions, or Ravens think Cook would be the difference maker for their offense. Then, the Jets can extract value for the selection in the form of a pick later in round one and an additional pick or two. Teams have shown the inclination to "overpay" to get the player they think is a game-changer for them. What if the Jets seek to include Richardson is such a trade? . How much more can they get in the form of picks? I don't know who will fall to the Jets at 6, but my hope is that they trade down given the opportunity. Frankly, if they could convince a team to give them next years first round pick in the deal, I'd do cartwheels since it will give the Jets the ammo necessary to trade into the top of next year's draft when a QB worth taking will be available. But this is naive rationale, no? It's always better -with no clear cut stud- to trade down for "extra picks". Yeah of course. But who needs to get up to 6 enough for that one player they desperately need to give us their 1st and a 2nd and/or 3rd and/or 4th? It's just not happening. It's nice to hope for but when does it happen? It's likely we stay right at 6 and pick the best player we can. _
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Post by nyjets1969 on Jan 15, 2017 9:32:17 GMT -5
I've been vetting these offensive lineman and even I don't think there is one worth the 6th overall. There will be at least five that go in the first round but most will be in lower part of the first round. Draft Cook at 6(yes I've come around to it) and pray Antonio Garcia falls to our second round pick. Boner pants in full effect. The Jets would be better off with more picks and the strength of this draft is in the middle, not at the top. IMO, the Jets know that the subjective value of the 6th selection depends entirely on who falls to them at that spot and the degree of boner pants (someone should develop a scale) some other team has for that player. While Cook is an excellent young back, the Jets would place him behind a subpar O line with a near non-existent passing attack. The kid would face stacked boxes and his career will have been shortened and his best years wasted on a rebuilding team. Plus, the one weakness in his game is picking up blitzers and chipping outside rushers as he heads downfield to be a passing option may get the Jets QB (whoever it is) killed. So, I'm a no on Cook at 6. But, what if Cook falls to the Jets at 6 and teams like the Giants, Lions, or Ravens think Cook would be the difference maker for their offense. Then, the Jets can extract value for the selection in the form of a pick later in round one and an additional pick or two. Teams have shown the inclination to "overpay" to get the player they think is a game-changer for them. What if the Jets seek to include Richardson is such a trade? . How much more can they get in the form of picks? I don't know who will fall to the Jets at 6, but my hope is that they trade down given the opportunity. Frankly, if they could convince a team to give them next years first round pick in the deal, I'd do cartwheels since it will give the Jets the ammo necessary to trade into the top of next year's draft when a QB worth taking will be available. Having more picks worked really well when Idzik had 12 picks and kept them all with the same mentality instead of trading up for Beckham JR. That's why this team sucks so bad. Jets need to pull the trigger if game changer falls to them. Elite players are few and far between if the Jets have a chance at one they should go for it. The other strategy of getting more picks has been done for years and the Jets suck at drafting after round 1 so they should just get an elite offensive weapon.
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Post by TRUE Jet Fan on Jan 15, 2017 9:41:06 GMT -5
The Jets would be better off with more picks and the strength of this draft is in the middle, not at the top. IMO, the Jets know that the subjective value of the 6th selection depends entirely on who falls to them at that spot and the degree of boner pants (someone should develop a scale) some other team has for that player. While Cook is an excellent young back, the Jets would place him behind a subpar O line with a near non-existent passing attack. The kid would face stacked boxes and his career will have been shortened and his best years wasted on a rebuilding team. Plus, the one weakness in his game is picking up blitzers and chipping outside rushers as he heads downfield to be a passing option may get the Jets QB (whoever it is) killed. So, I'm a no on Cook at 6. But, what if Cook falls to the Jets at 6 and teams like the Giants, Lions, or Ravens think Cook would be the difference maker for their offense. Then, the Jets can extract value for the selection in the form of a pick later in round one and an additional pick or two. Teams have shown the inclination to "overpay" to get the player they think is a game-changer for them. What if the Jets seek to include Richardson is such a trade? . How much more can they get in the form of picks? I don't know who will fall to the Jets at 6, but my hope is that they trade down given the opportunity. Frankly, if they could convince a team to give them next years first round pick in the deal, I'd do cartwheels since it will give the Jets the ammo necessary to trade into the top of next year's draft when a QB worth taking will be available. Having more picks worked really well when Idzik had 12 picks and kept them all with the same mentality instead of trading up for Beckham JR. That's why this team sucks so bad. Jets need to pull the trigger if game changer falls to them. Elite players are few and far between if the Jets have a chance at one they should go for it. The other strategy of getting more picks has been done for years and the Jets suck at drafting after round 1 so they should just get an elite offensive weapon. You're annoying as fuck. Shut up. Just shut the fuck up.
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Post by JetRepulsion1 on Jan 15, 2017 17:49:55 GMT -5
The Jets would be better off with more picks and the strength of this draft is in the middle, not at the top. IMO, the Jets know that the subjective value of the 6th selection depends entirely on who falls to them at that spot and the degree of boner pants (someone should develop a scale) some other team has for that player. While Cook is an excellent young back, the Jets would place him behind a subpar O line with a near non-existent passing attack. The kid would face stacked boxes and his career will have been shortened and his best years wasted on a rebuilding team. Plus, the one weakness in his game is picking up blitzers and chipping outside rushers as he heads downfield to be a passing option may get the Jets QB (whoever it is) killed. So, I'm a no on Cook at 6. But, what if Cook falls to the Jets at 6 and teams like the Giants, Lions, or Ravens think Cook would be the difference maker for their offense. Then, the Jets can extract value for the selection in the form of a pick later in round one and an additional pick or two. Teams have shown the inclination to "overpay" to get the player they think is a game-changer for them. What if the Jets seek to include Richardson is such a trade? . How much more can they get in the form of picks? I don't know who will fall to the Jets at 6, but my hope is that they trade down given the opportunity. Frankly, if they could convince a team to give them next years first round pick in the deal, I'd do cartwheels since it will give the Jets the ammo necessary to trade into the top of next year's draft when a QB worth taking will be available. Having more picks worked really well when Idzik had 12 picks and kept them all with the same mentality instead of trading up for Beckham JR. That's why this team sucks so bad. Jets need to pull the trigger if game changer falls to them. Elite players are few and far between if the Jets have a chance at one they should go for it. The other strategy of getting more picks has been done for years and the Jets suck at drafting after round 1 so they should just get an elite offensive weapon. Yep - jets suck at drafting and our GMs are incapable of pulling the trigger to trade and move up to get their guy. Idzik couldn't do it with 12 picks and Maccageek couldn't do it when he was willing to trade Mo or Richardson. Both losers that decided to stay put and reach on players that no one else even wanted in the draft. Horrible.
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