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Post by Paradis on Jan 16, 2017 19:27:22 GMT -5
Going into next year with Petty and Hack is a WIN/WIN.
Either A- one of them turns out to defy odds and be a legit starter OR B- we finally in a position to draft in 2018 and attract a new GM/HC if need be.
Veteran presence? Grab a Yates. A Hoyer. Someone who will only be there when the wheels come off.
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Post by Gunnails on Jan 16, 2017 19:45:49 GMT -5
I'd rather re sign Geno.
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Post by HawkeyeJet on Jan 16, 2017 19:53:54 GMT -5
I will repeat myself yet again. FUCK 2017 and Glennon is not and will never be an NFL Qb. We need to grab a RB at 6 and then shore up our weak areas through FA and the draft. Then roll with Hack and Petty in 2017. The 2018 draft is a much better QB draft. No more of this 6-10, 7-9, 9-7 bullshit. Take our lumps and grab a good 1st rd Qb next year. That's not going to happen, though. I think Lith made the point earlier and I agree completely. Macc isn't just going to go into next year with Hack and Petty when his job could very well be on the line. The Jets ARE going to bring in a QB. And I'd rather it be Glennon instead of Taylor, Cutler, Kaepernick, etc. They absolutely are. It's easy for fans to say fuck off to an entire season, but that's a bad look and message to your players. You dont have to be the Sixers in a rebuild. And in all likelihood, Glennon won't be a major difference maker at QB, and would not impact a rebuild anyway. And if he's good enough to be a difference maker, then you are one step ahead in your rebuild.
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Post by RobR on Jan 16, 2017 21:03:29 GMT -5
It's easy for fans to say fuck off to an entire season, but that's a bad look and message to your players. It's more about seeing what Mac has drafted at the QB position in his two drafts. We're not talking about 7th round fodder, we're talking about a guy he traded up for in the fourth and a mid second. Let him as a GM sink or swim on those picks and in the likely event they sink, shitcan everyone and start over with what would be a desirable landing spot for a new GM and Coach with a high pick in a deep QB draft. Glennon will never get us to a Superbowl, so why bother. It would also be the fourth QB our Gm has brought in during his soon to be third year which doesn't exactly inspire confidence in his ability to scout the QB position. He made his bed, now let him sleep in it.
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Post by HawkeyeJet on Jan 16, 2017 21:31:29 GMT -5
It's easy for fans to say fuck off to an entire season, but that's a bad look and message to your players. It's more about seeing what Mac has drafted at the QB position in his two drafts. We're not talking about 7th round fodder, we're talking about a guy he traded up for in the fourth and a mid second. Let him as a GM sink or swim on those picks and in the likely event they sink, shitcan everyone and start over with what would be a desirable landing spot for a new GM and Coach with a high pick in a deep QB draft. Glennon will never get us to a Superbowl, so why bother. It would also be the fourth QB our Gm has brought in during his soon to be third year which doesn't exactly inspire confidence in his ability to scout the QB position. He made his bed, now let him sleep in it. That's all well and good, but its just unrealistic for Maccagnan to "sink or swim" with Hackenberg or Petty if he doesn't think they are capable next season. Your asking him to punish himself because a 2nd RD and 4th round QB aren't impact starters? I don't get it. As far as his ability to scout the QB position, I just don't view it the same as you I guess. Why is Petty not appearing to be a long term starter a solution mean that pick is a failure? He's a 4th round QB. He shouldn't be expected to be a long term starting QB. If he is a 6 year strong backup QB, which looks possible, then that's not an awful pick. While I have said a million times I doubt Hackenberg will pan out, the reality is no one knows yet. Even if he does flame out, I don't agree that taking a chance him in the 2nd round is something someone should be fired over. The amount of quality NFL starting QBs found outside of the first round is probably around 20%. I'm not going to say the guy deserves fired because those 2 picks didn't produce a starting QB. Now if he can't add other pieces in addition to not getting the QB, then that's a different story.
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Post by DowNY on Jan 16, 2017 21:44:15 GMT -5
I rather put $$ into O-Line & other positions.
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Post by RobR on Jan 16, 2017 21:52:07 GMT -5
It's more about seeing what Mac has drafted at the QB position in his two drafts. We're not talking about 7th round fodder, we're talking about a guy he traded up for in the fourth and a mid second. Let him as a GM sink or swim on those picks and in the likely event they sink, shitcan everyone and start over with what would be a desirable landing spot for a new GM and Coach with a high pick in a deep QB draft. Glennon will never get us to a Superbowl, so why bother. It would also be the fourth QB our Gm has brought in during his soon to be third year which doesn't exactly inspire confidence in his ability to scout the QB position. He made his bed, now let him sleep in it. That's all well and good, but its just unrealistic for Maccagnan to "sink or swim" with Hackenberg or Petty if he doesn't think they are capable next season. Your asking him to punish himself because a 2nd RD and 4th round QB aren't impact starters? I don't get it. As far as his ability to scout the QB position, I just don't view it the same as you I guess. Why is Petty not appearing to be a long term starter a solution mean that pick is a failure? He's a 4th round QB. He shouldn't be expected to be a long term starting QB. If he is a 6 year strong backup QB, which looks possible, then that's not an awful pick. While I have said a million times I doubt Hackenberg will pan out, the reality is no one knows yet. Even if he does flame out, I don't agree that taking a chance him in the 2nd round is something someone should be fired over. The amount of quality NFL starting QBs found outside of the first round is probably around 20%. I'm not going to say the guy deserves fired because those 2 picks didn't produce a starting QB. Now if he can't add other pieces in addition to not getting the QB, then that's a different story. I don't want our GM signing a guy that we will be forced to devote XX number of years at the position when we have the best QB draft staring us in the face. And a guy like Glennon will not come cheap. Could you imagine signing Glennon for say 15 mil per and then we need to draft another guy in the first round the following year, we'll miss out again. That's how we end up in this never ending revolving door of mediocrity. You already know my stance on how I would handle things so I won't regurgitate it. I just can't stand the fact of bringing in another mediocre QB and devoting time and money to him. Let's go with Hack who will be in his second year and Petty who will be in his third. Then sign a jag vet to round out the QB position. No more half measures.
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Post by Paradis on Jan 16, 2017 22:02:08 GMT -5
That's all well and good, but its just unrealistic for Maccagnan to "sink or swim" with Hackenberg or Petty if he doesn't think they are capable next season. I don't want our GM signing a guy that we will be forced to devote XX number of years at the position when we have the best QB draft staring us in the face. This in a nut shell is the most important reason why not to sign anyone significant. Quite frankly if Glennon was any fucking good, they wouldn't have drafted Winston. I know on a personal level, i want Macc to see his picks through and put us in a better position for 2018, but ultimately the more tangible concern here is getting stuck (once again) in a sunken cost bullshit scenario like HOU is in right now. I don't think Macc has the balls to pull the trigger in 2018 on a top QB if he just sunk 36 mil guaranteed into Glennon... I do appreciate the fact that Macc wasn't totally out to lunch with Fitz and got him in on that 1-year deal with no blow major commitment.
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Post by HawkeyeJet on Jan 16, 2017 22:05:16 GMT -5
And I guess maybe that's where I differ on the Glennon thing. I guess I don't think it's necessarily going to take a huge deal or a long deal to walk away with him.
If it does, then I agree, don't do it. I was under the assumption he'd be able to be had on a contract that could be walked away from after about 2 years. I could be way off base.
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Post by RobR on Jan 16, 2017 22:06:20 GMT -5
I don't think Macc has the balls to pull the trigger in 2018 on a top QB if he just sunk 36 mil guaranteed into Glennon... Bingo!!! That is the only reason I don't want him. He would probably be better than anything we currently have but I'm looking at the overall big picture.
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Post by Touchable on Jan 16, 2017 22:14:42 GMT -5
I don't think Macc has the balls to pull the trigger in 2018 on a top QB if he just sunk 36 mil guaranteed into Glennon... Bingo!!! That is the only reason I don't want him. He would probably be better than anything we currently have but I'm looking at the overall big picture. I don't think it will be anything close to $36 mill guaranteed to land Glennon. Now...$16-18 million guaranteed that, like Hawkeye said, you can walk away from after 2 years? Sure, go ahead and sign me up. If it's anywhere close to the former number, then yeah...fuck that. Just sign some JAG like Hoyer or McGloin and hope that Hack blows our tits off. And if not, then goodbye Bowles/Macc and say hello to Sam Darnold/Josh Rosen/Luke Falk.
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Post by RobR on Jan 16, 2017 22:21:56 GMT -5
Bingo!!! That is the only reason I don't want him. He would probably be better than anything we currently have but I'm looking at the overall big picture. I don't think it will be anything close to $36 mill guaranteed to land Glennon. Now...$16-18 million guaranteed that, like Hawkeye said, you can walk away from after 2 years? Sure, go ahead and sign me up. If it's anywhere close to the former number, then yeah...fuck that. Just sign some JAG like Hoyer or McGloin and hope that Hack blows our tits off. And if not, then goodbye Bowles/Macc and say hello to Sam Darnold/Josh Rosen/Luke Falk. Simple question. Do you think Glennon will ever be able to lead a team to the Lombardi trophy? I don't and that's why I don't want to use any resources on him.
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Post by Gunnails on Jan 16, 2017 22:28:03 GMT -5
Glennon is the consensus most upside FA QB on the upcoming market? If that's true he will get paid.
I f we want a 16-18 mil QB who can be kicked to the curb after two years we are looking at Geno as our best bet.
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Post by Paradis on Jan 16, 2017 22:31:13 GMT -5
Bingo!!! That is the only reason I don't want him. He would probably be better than anything we currently have but I'm looking at the overall big picture. I don't think it will be anything close to $36 mill guaranteed to land Glennon.
This is the part that tells me some of you aren't completely checked in with reality. Do we have exclusive rights to Glennon? No... so why the hell would he settle for 16-18 mil guaranteed, when someone else is going to offer him Brock-lite money? Dude, you're looking at 30+ mil guaranteed to land Glennon. Guaranteed.
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Post by Paradis on Jan 16, 2017 22:31:34 GMT -5
Glennon is the consensus most upside FA QB on the upcoming market? If that's true he will get paid. I f we want a 16-18 mil QB who can be kicked to the curb after two years we are looking at Geno as our best bet. this guy gets it.
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