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Post by quantum on Mar 22, 2017 12:18:52 GMT -5
Fournette (sp?) is a much better RB than Watson is a QB Just about any of the top players at any position (except OT) are better than the top QB in this draft. Any team that drafts a QB in the Top 10 is passing on a better football player in order to stretch for a need. Taking a QB at #6 would be selecting a prospect with the hopes he becomes a starter. It wouldn't be selecting a guy who everyone sees as a lock to be a NFL starter. We already have prospects (Hack, Petty). What we need is a close to sure thing. There is none in this draft. We should take the best RB, best TE, best CB or best S that we can at #6 because all are better than the best QB (whoever that may be). The only argument I might buy is the following.... IF the Jets do not want to put all their eggs in the Hack basket AND they aren't sure they'll get a top QB in next year's draft THEN I could see them considering dumping Petty and replacing him with a QB like Trubisky, etc. on the idea that the Jets have a better chance of the QB dart landing on bullseye in 2017 with Hack / Trubisky learning under McCown than Hack / Petty learning under McCown. I still don't like the idea but the idea I truly hate is having 4 QBs. So, if the Jets go QB at 6 it had better mean Petty is gone....even though I think Petty still deserves more time. Trubisky won't be there at #6, and if we trade up, I will be pissed
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Post by jetstream23 on Mar 22, 2017 12:21:00 GMT -5
Just about any of the top players at any position (except OT) are better than the top QB in this draft. Any team that drafts a QB in the Top 10 is passing on a better football player in order to stretch for a need. Taking a QB at #6 would be selecting a prospect with the hopes he becomes a starter. It wouldn't be selecting a guy who everyone sees as a lock to be a NFL starter. We already have prospects (Hack, Petty). What we need is a close to sure thing. There is none in this draft. We should take the best RB, best TE, best CB or best S that we can at #6 because all are better than the best QB (whoever that may be). The only argument I might buy is the following.... IF the Jets do not want to put all their eggs in the Hack basket AND they aren't sure they'll get a top QB in next year's draft THEN I could see them considering dumping Petty and replacing him with a QB like Trubisky, etc. on the idea that the Jets have a better chance of the QB dart landing on bullseye in 2017 with Hack / Trubisky learning under McCown than Hack / Petty learning under McCown. I still don't like the idea but the idea I truly hate is having 4 QBs. So, if the Jets go QB at 6 it had better mean Petty is gone....even though I think Petty still deserves more time. Trubisky won't be there at #6, and if we trade up, I will be pissed I agree....with both your points. I don't want a QB in this Draft and I'd prefer to trade down into the 10-12 range in order to pick up another 2nd or 3rd rounder.
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Post by quantum on Mar 22, 2017 12:22:52 GMT -5
Trubisky won't be there at #6, and if we trade up, I will be pissed I agree....with both your points. I don't want a QB in this Draft and I'd prefer to trade down into the 10-12 range in order to pick up another 2nd or 3rd rounder. we really need a 1st round RB, which we have a chance of getting. Forte is old, and after Powell....nobody.
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Post by jetstream23 on Mar 22, 2017 12:29:35 GMT -5
I agree....with both your points. I don't want a QB in this Draft and I'd prefer to trade down into the 10-12 range in order to pick up another 2nd or 3rd rounder. we really need a 1st round RB, which we have a chance of getting. Forte is old, and after Powell....nobody. No problem with that approach. For once, I'd like to get an offensive playmaker in Round 1....after years of defensive linemen and defensive backs. I'd be happy with Fournette, Cook, OJ Howard or maybe even Williams in Round 1. Again, my preference would be to trade a little lower, maybe to 10. I'm pretty damn sure at least 2 of those 4 guys would be available at #10. Then I'd come back early in Round 2 to get one of the good CBs in a Draft that is very deep in Secondary talent. That's kind of my dream scenario. Trade back from 6 to say 10 or 11 (getting an early 3rd rounder). Draft Cook or OJ Howard in Round 1. Draft a CB like TreDavious White or Gareon Conley in Round 2. Trade the 3rd rounder we picked up along with Sheldon Richardson to get back into Round 2 and get a Safety or RB/TE that we didn't get in Round 1.
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Post by quantum on Mar 22, 2017 12:32:05 GMT -5
we really need a 1st round RB, which we have a chance of getting. Forte is old, and after Powell....nobody. No problem with that approach. For once, I'd like to get an offensive playmaker in Round 1....after years of defensive linemen and defensive backs. I'd be happy with Fournette, Cook, OJ Howard or maybe even Williams in Round 1. Again, my preference would be to trade a little lower, maybe to 10. I'm pretty damn sure at least 2 of those 4 guys would be available at #10. Then I'd come back early in Round 2 to get one of the good CBs in a Draft that is very deep in Secondary talent. That's kind of my dream scenario. Trade back from 6 to say 10 or 11 (getting an early 3rd rounder). Draft Cook or OJ Howard in Round 1. Draft a CB like TreDavious White or Gareon Conley in Round 2. Trade the 3rd rounder we picked up along with Sheldon Richardson to get back into Round 2 and get a Safety or RB/TE that we didn't get in Round 1. in theory, perfect. But the way Dallas struck gold with Ezekial? RBs will go fast this year (pun intended) more importantly, i'm praying the FO doesn't screw up and shit the bed
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Post by jetstream23 on Mar 22, 2017 12:40:53 GMT -5
No problem with that approach. For once, I'd like to get an offensive playmaker in Round 1....after years of defensive linemen and defensive backs. I'd be happy with Fournette, Cook, OJ Howard or maybe even Williams in Round 1. Again, my preference would be to trade a little lower, maybe to 10. I'm pretty damn sure at least 2 of those 4 guys would be available at #10. Then I'd come back early in Round 2 to get one of the good CBs in a Draft that is very deep in Secondary talent. That's kind of my dream scenario. Trade back from 6 to say 10 or 11 (getting an early 3rd rounder). Draft Cook or OJ Howard in Round 1. Draft a CB like TreDavious White or Gareon Conley in Round 2. Trade the 3rd rounder we picked up along with Sheldon Richardson to get back into Round 2 and get a Safety or RB/TE that we didn't get in Round 1. in theory, perfect. But the way Dallas struck gold with Ezekial? RBs will go fast this year (pun intended) more importantly, i'm praying the FO doesn't screw up and shit the bed We need more than praying. We may need to infiltrate the War Room and get on the phone ourselves when the Jets hit the clock at #6. In my opinion, the FO will completely Fail with a grade of F if they do any of the following: 1. Trade up 2. Take a QB at #6 3. Don't take the BPA The first two points are binary. They either do or they don't. The #3 scenario is subjective but should be fairly obvious. You have to take a Top 10 talent with you draft 6th. And, if the BPA happens to be a guy like Jonathan Allen who slides down (similar to Leo dropping) the Jets should look to trade the pick and slide back a few spots. Our FO does not have a difficult job when you look at this way - The Jets have SO MANY needs that they're almost guaranteed to have a BPA type guy line up with a current positional weakness. As you said, the future at RB beyond Forte (old) and Powell (good but not a difference maker) is weak. The Jets have NO Tight Ends. The Jets just jettisoned Revis. The Jets have weaknesses and uncertainty at Safety. The Jets have gone back to 2014 when Eric Decker was the #1 WR. That's easily 5 positions (RB, TE, WR, CB, S) that they could fill with an elite talent (Fournette/Cook, OJ Howard, Williams, Lattimore, Adams, etc.). That's why I just know.....the Jets are gonna fuck this up.
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Post by MDL JET on Mar 22, 2017 12:44:05 GMT -5
in theory, perfect. But the way Dallas struck gold with Ezekial? RBs will go fast this year (pun intended) more importantly, i'm praying the FO doesn't screw up and shit the bed We need more than praying. We may need to infiltrate the War Room and get on the phone ourselves when the Jets hit the clock at #6. In my opinion, the FO will completely Fail with a grade of F if they do any of the following: 1. Trade up 2. Take a QB at #6 3. Don't take the BPA The first two points are binary. They either do or they don't. The #3 scenario is subjective but should be fairly obvious. You have to take a Top 10 talent with you draft 6th. And, if the BPA happens to be a guy like Jonathan Allen who slides down (similar to Leo dropping) the Jets should look to trade the pick and slide back a few spots. Our FO does not have a difficult job when you look at this way - The Jets have SO MANY needs that they're almost guaranteed to have a BPA type guy line up with a current positional weakness. As you said, the future at RB beyond Forte (old) and Powell (good but not a difference maker) is weak. The Jets have NO Tight Ends. The Jets just jettisoned Revis. The Jets have weaknesses and uncertainty at Safety. The Jets have gone back to 2014 when Eric Decker was the #1 WR. That's easily 5 positions (RB, TE, WR, CB, S) that they could fill with an elite talent (Fournette/Cook, OJ Howard, Williams, Lattimore, Adams, etc.). That's why I just know.....the Jets are gonna fuck this up. What if they trade up for Fournette? Does that average out to a C- ?
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Post by jetstream23 on Mar 22, 2017 12:52:57 GMT -5
We need more than praying. We may need to infiltrate the War Room and get on the phone ourselves when the Jets hit the clock at #6. In my opinion, the FO will completely Fail with a grade of F if they do any of the following: 1. Trade up 2. Take a QB at #6 3. Don't take the BPA The first two points are binary. They either do or they don't. The #3 scenario is subjective but should be fairly obvious. You have to take a Top 10 talent with you draft 6th. And, if the BPA happens to be a guy like Jonathan Allen who slides down (similar to Leo dropping) the Jets should look to trade the pick and slide back a few spots. Our FO does not have a difficult job when you look at this way - The Jets have SO MANY needs that they're almost guaranteed to have a BPA type guy line up with a current positional weakness. As you said, the future at RB beyond Forte (old) and Powell (good but not a difference maker) is weak. The Jets have NO Tight Ends. The Jets just jettisoned Revis. The Jets have weaknesses and uncertainty at Safety. The Jets have gone back to 2014 when Eric Decker was the #1 WR. That's easily 5 positions (RB, TE, WR, CB, S) that they could fill with an elite talent (Fournette/Cook, OJ Howard, Williams, Lattimore, Adams, etc.). That's why I just know.....the Jets are gonna fuck this up. What if they trade up for Fournette? Does that average out to a C- ? No. Still an F. I like Fournette but wouldn't trade up to get him. AND, if Fournette goes in the Top 5 then someone really good is sliding down to #6 that we can either take or trade the pick.
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Post by Gunnails on Mar 22, 2017 12:55:34 GMT -5
Trade out of the first round all together for a additional 1st and 2nd next year and maybe a 2nd and 3rd this year? Not sure how that pencils out but I would love to see something like this happen.
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Post by MDL JET on Mar 22, 2017 13:06:03 GMT -5
What if they trade up for Fournette? Does that average out to a C- ? No. Still an F. I like Fournette but wouldn't trade up to get him. AND, if Fournette goes in the Top 5 then someone really good is sliding down to #6 that we can either take or trade the pick. I don't know who's really good that's sliding and then worth trading up for from another team. We're gonna be deciding between the QBs, Allen and Hooker. Ugh.
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Post by 2foolish on Mar 22, 2017 13:32:20 GMT -5
i'd like to trade down and take the kid from Clemson...Williams...long term substitute for Marshall...solid in red zone...
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Post by quantum on Mar 22, 2017 13:52:51 GMT -5
What if they trade up for Fournette? Does that average out to a C- ? No. Still an F. I like Fournette but wouldn't trade up to get him. AND, if Fournette goes in the Top 5 then someone really good is sliding down to #6 that we can either take or trade the pick. yup. I don't know why people say you're so dumb /Sgt. O'Rourke (bonus points for ID'ing that line WITHOUT google)
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Mar 22, 2017 18:25:36 GMT -5
Fournette (sp?) is a much better RB than Watson is a QB That is true but we need to resolve the QB situation first before addressing the future RB.There are no QBs in this year's draft
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Post by johnnyhector on Mar 22, 2017 18:46:15 GMT -5
This makes me think it's more likely the Jets will select Deshaun Watson with the 6th pick....or a trade down and still select him.....cut ties with Petty and let Watson watch for a year and battle it out in 2018 with Hackenberg....then they'll say goodbye to McCown and pick up another QB in next year's class and have three young QBs on the roster. Today's New York Post:nypost.com/2017/03/21/why-josh-mccown-may-mean-the-end-of-bryce-petty/Yeah I seen a article that said mcCown might mean the end of Hackenburg
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Post by rangerous on Mar 27, 2017 5:57:06 GMT -5
i don't know if signing mccown changes the jets draft on bit. mac likes to go bpa and if a qb is the bpa when he picks then so be it. imo they ought to draft a cb or Lt first but we don't know how they've ranked the players. what mccown does do is bring in a guy to compete with hack during ota's. petty may not be ready until training camp so hack will have lots of time with the team before then. imo everyone knows mccown is a high priced back up who wasn't brought in to start.
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