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Post by JStokes on Nov 6, 2017 6:13:40 GMT -5
Frank has it figured out.
Somebody needs to do something.
And fast.
Something.
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Post by Raoul Duke on Nov 6, 2017 7:02:06 GMT -5
RIP
The locals must be shell shocked having something like that happen in their puny town.
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Post by Trades on Nov 6, 2017 8:26:34 GMT -5
I nominate you for the job of door-to-door confiscation. I don't want to confiscate. And even if i wanted to, it would never be feasible. I would like to see tighter gun laws. I would like to see semi automatic guns banned to the general public. I would like to see more common sense gun laws. Where gun owners have to obtain licenses in every single state, take gun safety courses, background checks, have better tracking of what gets sold and where, etc. We do need to change something. Praying isn't cutting it. What we're doing isn't working. You know another one of these mass shootings are going to happen in the near future. And again and again. Let's try something new for once. None of what is bolded above would stop any of the mass killings except the "semi-automatic" gun ban. Do you realize that would take 90% of the current gun technology off the market and make most guns illegal? It is the same as confiscating guns. Saying "common sense" before stating you want to change the constitution is a farce and part of the liberal handbook for talking down to people. Most common sense laws are utter garbage. Read John Stossel's "No, They Can't: Why Government Fails-But Individuals Succeed" for some great examples and why unintended consequences always make those feel good laws fail. www.amazon.com/dp/B005GG0N2I/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1We have to "do something" is another liberal fallacy. What is something? What will it do other than make you feel like you tried something. At what cost? Would that something even have stopped or changed the outcome of the things we know happened and why they happened? Everything I have seen proposed regarding gun laws in relation to the past shooting wouldn't have made one bit of difference. What is licensing in every state? Are you expecting gun owners to do a tour of the country? Pay licensing fees in every state? A federal licensing system? How would that have helped? How would gun safety have helped? Do you think he went into that church armed to the teeth and the guns fired by mistake? We haven't found out how this guy got his guns but my guess is he got them legally just like the guy in Las Vegas. He probably passed the background checks and all of those things are already in place. The gun show loophole is a myth. Go try to legally buy a gun at a gun show without a permit or background check. I will wait while you attempt it. I will add that I don't currently have a gun or a license. I have considered it many times but haven't pulled the trigger. There are articles on line saying a neighbor with a gun ran this guy off. If that is the case then maybe more people should have guns not less. Had someone in that church been armed maybe it wouldn't have been as bad or it would have deterred the criminal in the first place.
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Post by bxjetfan on Nov 6, 2017 8:31:35 GMT -5
Confiscate from who? Legal owners? Lets say they are dumb enough to answer the door and give them up. Now what. Whose door do you knock on next. There are millions of illegal guns out there. Anonymous people and weapons that will never be located or identified. Now they are the only ones with guns? You see what I'm saying? The guy who stopped this prick today would have been unarmed had we followed confiscation..because he would have complied..and the loon would have hidden his gun. Not so easy as many think. I wish for a world with no guns..but I cant have that. So I wish for a world where everyone has one. If one poor worshipper in that Church had a gun today, things might have been different. I don't think this is easy. If it were, we'd have it figured out by now. Washington does need to figure something out though. At least try something different. Common sense laws like the ones you mentioned in that earlier post is a really good start. I'm not in any position to change or create laws, so these aren't my decisions to make. Guys armed to the teeth shooting into crowds from hotels, people going into churches and shooting up innocent people in children, people going into elementary schools and shooting classes filled with 6 year olds... what's next? There are no limits anymore and it's going to keep happening. The current system doesn't work. Well, move to Canada.
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Post by Trades on Nov 6, 2017 8:51:37 GMT -5
Confiscate from who? Legal owners? Lets say they are dumb enough to answer the door and give them up. Now what. Whose door do you knock on next. There are millions of illegal guns out there. Anonymous people and weapons that will never be located or identified. Now they are the only ones with guns? You see what I'm saying? The guy who stopped this prick today would have been unarmed had we followed confiscation..because he would have complied..and the loon would have hidden his gun. Not so easy as many think. I wish for a world with no guns..but I cant have that. So I wish for a world where everyone has one. If one poor worshipper in that Church had a gun today, things might have been different. I don't think this is easy. If it were, we'd have it figured out by now. Washington does need to figure something out though. At least try something different. Common sense laws like the ones you mentioned in that earlier post is a really good start. I'm not in any position to change or create laws, so these aren't my decisions to make. Guys armed to the teeth shooting into crowds from hotels, people going into churches and shooting up innocent people in children, people going into elementary schools and shooting classes filled with 6 year olds... what's next? There are no limits anymore and it's going to keep happening. The current system doesn't work. If only the things in bold had been illegal then they never would have happened! Thinking Washington is the only way to get a solution is a problem. People abdicating their liberty and expecting the government to protect them and solve everything IS the problem. There is no community anymore. No one talks to anyone, no one makes eye contact. Everyone is afraid to call someone out on BS because of the PC culture and in the rare instance that someone is called out they have no idea how to handle it because everyone is so coddled today so they lash out. We are a country of adolescents who have never been given limits to our behavior so everyone is rude and self important. The whole being different is good no matter what the difference is, is a problem. Societal norms are gone so no one sees the nut cases for what they are or everyone is afraid to call them out. They are just unique little unicorns to be cherished.
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Post by Bing© in Buffalo Chairman on Nov 6, 2017 9:03:27 GMT -5
Well said.
People don't know how to handle kids or tell little Jimmy that he is a fucking idiot.
It's ok to demand more from your kids, set limits and boundaries.
My God what has happened to good will towards men?
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Post by JStokes on Nov 6, 2017 9:04:31 GMT -5
The Government is the bestest, most efficient and cheapest way to fix things.
Hey Washington.
Do something.
Pretty pretty pretty good plan.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2017 9:12:36 GMT -5
So what do you suggest we do? Keep praying until this stops? Enforce existing gun laws (not done, experienced this during 20 years in LE). Extreme vetting, waiting period before gun purchases. A legal gun owner probably stopped this thing today. Recognize we have a serious mental illness problem that cant be rectified with meds, the taking of which, we cannot monitor. Many of the people running around today, would have been institutionalized 40 years ago....but it became politically incorrect to do it..and there are virtually no places to put "insane" people. The Concept itself is politically incorrect. We mainstream them, and hope for the best. Some people are "fucking nuts". It is what it is. ALways was, but now we cant palate it. Not nice to say, uncomfortable to deal with...no place to put them. Give em meds, let them go, hope for the best. Save the State Billions. It's also way more profitable to have their PCP put them on 10 different drugs then to lock them up in a looney bin.
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Post by DDNYjets on Nov 6, 2017 9:28:12 GMT -5
Enforce existing gun laws (not done, experienced this during 20 years in LE). Extreme vetting, waiting period before gun purchases. A legal gun owner probably stopped this thing today. Recognize we have a serious mental illness problem that cant be rectified with meds, the taking of which, we cannot monitor. Many of the people running around today, would have been institutionalized 40 years ago....but it became politically incorrect to do it..and there are virtually no places to put "insane" people. The Concept itself is politically incorrect. We mainstream them, and hope for the best. Some people are "fucking nuts". It is what it is. ALways was, but now we cant palate it. Not nice to say, uncomfortable to deal with...no place to put them. Give em meds, let them go, hope for the best. Save the State Billions. It's also way more profitable to have their PCP put them on 10 different drugs then to lock them up in a looney bin. The change in the way we handle the nutjobs (and there was legitimate change needed) happened before big pharma took over washington. They adapted to take advantage of bad policy just like the banks did.
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Post by 2foolish on Nov 6, 2017 10:20:00 GMT -5
Either way.. Whether u do it in the ñame of religión or the voice in ur head its still horrible.. And i dont understand it..That's a good thing. If you did... oh i've heard plenty of talking heads justify just about everything...
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Post by Trades on Nov 6, 2017 10:39:19 GMT -5
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Post by JStokes on Nov 6, 2017 11:04:12 GMT -5
No Gun Zones: Unsafe.
Are you surprised that these mass public shootings typically happen at Churches and schools and don't happen at BBQs or rodeos?
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Post by JStokes on Nov 6, 2017 11:13:44 GMT -5
It's funny how libs will gnash their teeth and say "fucking NRA, if it wasn't for the gun a lot fewer people would have been killed" (totally dismissing the massive amounts of people killed and maimed with box cutter carrying hikackers, trucks, cars, pressure cookers, knives etc. But fail to accept the fact that if it weren't for a law abiding legal gun owner, everyone in that church would have likely been killed. _
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Post by 2foolish on Nov 6, 2017 11:32:55 GMT -5
its looks like this was a domestic situation between his wifes family and him...
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Nov 6, 2017 11:51:06 GMT -5
I don't want to confiscate. And even if i wanted to, it would never be feasible. I would like to see tighter gun laws. I would like to see semi automatic guns banned to the general public. I would like to see more common sense gun laws. Where gun owners have to obtain licenses in every single state, take gun safety courses, background checks, have better tracking of what gets sold and where, etc. We do need to change something. Praying isn't cutting it. What we're doing isn't working. You know another one of these mass shootings are going to happen in the near future. And again and again. Let's try something new for once. None of what is bolded above would stop any of the mass killings except the "semi-automatic" gun ban. Do you realize that would take 90% of the current gun technology off the market and make most guns illegal? It is the same as confiscating guns. Saying "common sense" before stating you want to change the constitution is a farce and part of the liberal handbook for talking down to people. Most common sense laws are utter garbage. Read John Stossel's "No, They Can't: Why Government Fails-But Individuals Succeed" for some great examples and why unintended consequences always make those feel good laws fail. www.amazon.com/dp/B005GG0N2I/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1We have to "do something" is another liberal fallacy. What is something? What will it do other than make you feel like you tried something. At what cost? Would that something even have stopped or changed the outcome of the things we know happened and why they happened? Everything I have seen proposed regarding gun laws in relation to the past shooting wouldn't have made one bit of difference. What is licensing in every state? Are you expecting gun owners to do a tour of the country? Pay licensing fees in every state? A federal licensing system? How would that have helped? How would gun safety have helped? Do you think he went into that church armed to the teeth and the guns fired by mistake? We haven't found out how this guy got his guns but my guess is he got them legally just like the guy in Las Vegas. He probably passed the background checks and all of those things are already in place. The gun show loophole is a myth. Go try to legally buy a gun at a gun show without a permit or background check. I will wait while you attempt it. I will add that I don't currently have a gun or a license. I have considered it many times but haven't pulled the trigger. There are articles on line saying a neighbor with a gun ran this guy off. If that is the case then maybe more people should have guns not less. Had someone in that church been armed maybe it wouldn't have been as bad or it would have deterred the criminal in the first place.If Texans were allowed to concealed carry in church, they're have at least had some chance to stop some of the carnage. At worst... well, it wouldnt have gotten worse. And maybe had less fatalities.
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